Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake Turnbull
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Feel free to redirect of you wish. Missvain (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby is not a notable league under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of him signing for sides so does not qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 21:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Seems to me this article might be able to meet WP:GNG, as the sources are borderline “substantial coverage”. Better to add a refimprove tag here. Moonraker (talk) 06:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Don't believe any of the sources on the page or that I can find are 'substantial coverage', that are independent of the source/tournament. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Moonraker, as has been discussed here can you show which of the sources in the article provide enough significant coverage for it to pass WP:GNG or if there are other sources that you believe enough to allow it to pass WP:GNG can you provide them. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete there are not enough substantial sources to pass GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete None of the sources I've found are independent of the player's league or team, or are reliable (blog post). SportingFlyer T·C 14:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - does not appear to be able to meet GNG Spiderone 12:52, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect No solid reason has been given to justify the deletion of this content while valid alternatives exist. If he is not worthy of a standalone article this can be redirected somewhere. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Duffbeerforme, please can you explain what the 'valid alternatives' would be, the player does not pass notability guidelines for rugby players at WP:NRU or general notability at WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Turnball is mentioned in 2016 Denver Stampede season, Old Glory DC, Denver Stampede, 2016 PRO Rugby season, 2018 Major League Rugby season, List of 2019–20 Major League Rugby transfers. Pick the best target and redirect there. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure how suitable any of those redirects are, he has spent short periods of time at all of the clubs (none you could consider the main from his career), and the other two are just list pages. Would a redirect really be suitable? Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- WHich in part is why stand alone articles are useful. All this content is verifiable. He has been covered in the press. Original research is not required to build this page. What seems to be a current push to delete suche verifiable content seems misguided. Why delete when you can cover in other ways. Played just one game? include in a list. Played for lots of teams? Redirect to a list for the most prominent team, mention the others. Pick the best alternative but no need to delete. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- If the person in question does not meet notability guidelines as per WP:GNG or WP:NRU then a article should not exist for that person and per Yosemiter below. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 14:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- WHich in part is why stand alone articles are useful. All this content is verifiable. He has been covered in the press. Original research is not required to build this page. What seems to be a current push to delete suche verifiable content seems misguided. Why delete when you can cover in other ways. Played just one game? include in a list. Played for lots of teams? Redirect to a list for the most prominent team, mention the others. Pick the best alternative but no need to delete. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Same as my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Taikato-Simpson, this is not a suitable redirect per WP:XY. Yosemiter (talk) 14:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure how suitable any of those redirects are, he has spent short periods of time at all of the clubs (none you could consider the main from his career), and the other two are just list pages. Would a redirect really be suitable? Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Turnball is mentioned in 2016 Denver Stampede season, Old Glory DC, Denver Stampede, 2016 PRO Rugby season, 2018 Major League Rugby season, List of 2019–20 Major League Rugby transfers. Pick the best target and redirect there. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- Duffbeerforme, please can you explain what the 'valid alternatives' would be, the player does not pass notability guidelines for rugby players at WP:NRU or general notability at WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to one of the articles duffbeerforme has suggested - he is spot on. Rugbyfan's claim that an article should not exist does not remove the requirement to consider alternatives to deletion if there is insufficient notability. Deus et lex (talk) 09:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Deus et lex, as has been stated by myself and Yosemiter, redirects aren't suitable here due to WP:XY. There are no suitable redirects for this player as if in the very small chance someone was to search for Jake Turnbull, they may be looking for many different things. There is no stand out club from his career or season in which he won awards. Just because he is linked on the aforementioned pages does not mean there is a suitable redirect there. A more detailed discussion on this was held at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Taikato-Simpson. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- I don't agree. That policy does not stop a suitable redirect from being found and duffbeerforme has found several. You're just opposed to anything that would thwart your proposal to delete this article. Deus et lex (talk) 10:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Deus et lex, Let's go through the suggested redirects then. 2016 Denver Stampede season (1 season American pro league, link is to him being signed and in the squad, not really a suitable redirect), Old Glory DC (no longer linked to this page, guessing the link was to him in the squad, only made 5 appearances for them), Denver Stampede (Link is to him being in the squad, team no longer exists), 2016 PRO Rugby season (link is for him receiving a yellow card in one match, and joining the short-lived competition), 2018 Major League Rugby season (Link again to him receiving a yellow card in a game), List of 2019–20 Major League Rugby transfers (no longer linked to this page, guessing link was his transfer from one side to another). None of these are suitable redirects. I'm not saying there isn't a suitable redirect out there, but no suitable one has been provided and if one cannot be found I don't see another option is the consensus is for the page to be deleted. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- I don't agree. That policy does not stop a suitable redirect from being found and duffbeerforme has found several. You're just opposed to anything that would thwart your proposal to delete this article. Deus et lex (talk) 10:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Deus et lex, as has been stated by myself and Yosemiter, redirects aren't suitable here due to WP:XY. There are no suitable redirects for this player as if in the very small chance someone was to search for Jake Turnbull, they may be looking for many different things. There is no stand out club from his career or season in which he won awards. Just because he is linked on the aforementioned pages does not mean there is a suitable redirect there. A more detailed discussion on this was held at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Taikato-Simpson. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Already !voted delete, but none of the possible redirects are appropriate here in my opinion per WP:XY. SportingFlyer T·C 13:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
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