Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jann of the Jungle

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The result was redirect to Jungle Tales. RL0919 (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jann of the Jungle

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This fails to establish notability. Neither the character or comic appear to have anything beyond passing mentions anywhere. TTN (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge to Atlas Comics (1950s). BOZ (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is an article that needs further development and expansion, not deletion. Most of the comics characters that get listed on AFD are minor existing-in-fictional-universe-only supporting characters. However, Jann of the Jungle is different, because she was not just a minor supporting character in someone else's title, but was the main character of a comic book series that bears her name as the title. As such, the article covers not just a fictional character, but also a real-world published work (the comic book series).

Furthermore, the jungle girl is a standard archetype of fiction in general and of comic books in particular. Jann of the Jungle is historically notable as a very old character that is one of the earliest codifiers/popularizers in comic books of that major archetype. Jann preceded by decades and helped to set the precedents/tropes for later jungle girl characters like Shanna the She-Devil, and as such, Jann is significant to comic book history. Jann is not some newly-created character, but a very old Golden Age character who, though not popular, has endured in continuing to make occasional appearances in the decades since.

—Lowellian (reply) 22:40, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't mean it needs an article. Internet sources show the character and comic in passing mentions from the ones I looked at. TTN (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Jungle Tales for the time being. A before done by nom shows that GNG isn't even met for the comic. ミラ P 23:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think there's too much here for it to be part of Jungle Tales without it overwhelming that article, and she was created by two comics creators of Wikipedia notability.--Tenebrae (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both articles are stubs, and this article currently lacks sources. What exactly would overwhelm that article? There'd either need to be a plethora of sources deep into the Google Books pages that I didn't see, or a plethora of offline sources to be found for this to be at all expanded. TTN (talk) 16:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTINHERITED. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Jungle Tales. Same concept, different name. – sgeureka ^t•c 22:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (or redirect). No evidence this character has been subject to any non-passing analysis, all sources I see are passing mentions at best, and can be summarized as "this female comic book character had adventures in the jungle setting"). Sorry, that's not enough to warrant an encyclopedic entry. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm a little bit leery about much faith to put into anyone's WP:BEFORE on this... Coming from the age that this comic book title did, it's much more likely that any real coverage is in printed works that online previews probably don't comprehensively cover. Also, is Jungle Tales much better? As you go back further in time, it's just plain going to be harder to find reliable sources using a WP:BEFORE method. I'm sure going way back to the Lovecraft days, things like "The Tree on the Hill" would be horrible to find sources for by relying on the Internet exclusively. Be cautions of introducing recentism into Wikipedia. -2pou (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, when I say WP:BEFORE above, I was more specifically referring step D.1. of the before process:
"The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects." -2pou (talk) 22:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's always a possibility, but we also can't sit on articles out of a hypothetical. Generally, if something is notable, the building blocks will exist in modern media, even if you need to dig a bit for meaty content. There's certainly not much in that regard, outside of trivial references to the jungle woman trope here and there.TTN (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Jungle Tales#Marvel's first series star of color - where it's already mentioned. WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES isn't an argument I'm totally against, but in this category, with the plethora of online stuff about comics from every era, I'm less likely to agree with it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:45, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.