Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerome A. Prince

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The result was keep. Tone 14:39, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome A. Prince

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:BLP1E. This individual is not known for anything other than being elected mayor of a small city. Gary isn't a major city any more, and hasn't been for over 20 years. John from Idegon (talk) 15:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 15:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 15:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Chicago Tribune and AP News pieces are enough to satisfy WP:GNG. WP:BLP1E is a nonsensical policy to invoke here; how many U.S. senators or congresspeople are notable for anything other than being elected to the House/Senate? It is the notability of the office in question here. KidAd talk 15:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congresspeople do notable things in the House or Senate, such as passing national laws. The simple fact of being elected is not, in and of itself, the sum total of their notability. Bearcat (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, KidAd, that's it exactly. Gary has a population of ~80,000, and isn't even the major city in its county any more. John from Idegon (talk) 16:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - Gary probably hasn't been a "major city" in closer to 35 years...but for many, in the Midwest particularly, it looms large in the historical, sociological, and cultural memory. I think the bigger issue is that Prince hasn't had enough time to really accomplish much... Rereading NPOL and Common Outcomes, I think he passes. Caro7200 (talk) 20:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a city overshadowed by other cities around it, Chicago Tribune coverage is not enough because Gary is in its circulation area. There is just not the sourcing to show Prince is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where can I find the policy that states reliable sources are negated based on their location? This is not a local blog. It is the Chicago Tribune. KidAd talk 20:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Every mayor of everywhere is always simply expected to have some coverage in his own local media market, but not every mayor of everywhere is automatically accepted as notable, so a mayor has to show a lot more than just a small smattering of local coverage to clear the notability bar: nationalizing coverage, the ability to write a really substantial article about his political impact rather than just documenting the fact that he exists, and on and so forth. Bearcat (talk) 21:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Page needs further improvement in content by other editors. Suggest to keep. CanadaMaple123 (talk) 06:20, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: My sense is like above, Prince has not had enough time to achieve anything. Saying Gary, Indiana is a small town with no relevance would put you in the sights of railfans. It is an important town from that point of view. --Whiteguru (talk) 12:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of mayors of Gary, Indiana. I don't see that he's achieved anything notable yet and to establish WP:NPOL, we expect both coverage outside of the region and outside of the election that indicates they are notable, coverage that I don't see. While Gary, Indiana was a prominent town, and may still be to railfans, the fact of the matter is that it isn't large enough to lend de facto notability to its present mayor (mayors in the past-- probably it does). Several of the !keep voters hit the nail on the head in saying that "Prince has not had enough time to achieve anything"-- he hasn't done enough to be notable yet. A redirect will allow ease of recreation if and perhaps when he does become notable. The AP article is good coverage, but I'd expect more in the same vein. Best, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Several of the comments above are exceptionally lacking in any policy-based logic. Ignoring them, there's not enough left to base a consensus on, so relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 13:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - mayor of a fairly large, notable city. Bearian (talk) 16:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A notable politician from Indiana. Passes WP:GNG. INDIAN DUGS (talk) 07:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.