Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johannes Nordström
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. NW (Talk) 03:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG Spiderone 07:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Spiderone 07:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 08:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Plays for a club in the Finnish top division, so I think "fails WP:ATHLETE" is a rather superficial evaluation (aka WP:JUSTAPOLICY). My knowledge of Swedish sources is limited, and Finnish sources virtually non-existent, but a look through Google showed that his appearance in matches is something which sports media takes note of [1]. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That is a weak argument. Basically, this person hasn't played a game in a league that isn't even professional. Players in professional leagues who haven't played tend to get deleted despite media coverage. See: Mattia Destro and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronald Huth (2nd nomination) Spiderone 12:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I was unaware that Nordström had not yet played for the top team, so I'll withdraw the keep vote for now. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- My keep vote is back in place after a little more research. The player has also played for Finland's U17 team on several occasions, 30 according to this article. The requirement of "fully professional league" is unreasonable if it excludes players from fully professional teams such as IFK Mariehamn. It would mean that players on a 12-team fully professional league are notable, but that expanding the league with two semi-professional teams would suddendly render all the players, including the professional ones, to be non-notable. It appears that Nordström is considered to be a player of some importance in Åland since the sports press there highlights Nordström when he plays these matches. He is not the most notable player in Finland, but there I feel now that the press coverage from numerous occasions is enough to let him pass the WP:GNG guildeline. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Any links to this press coverage? The references provided are only passing mentions and youth caps don't confer notability. Many players have their pages deleted and then recreated when they make their senior debut. I don't see why this 16 year old is any more remarkable than, say, Jeffrey Bruma who has an U21 cap but still fails notability guidelines. Spiderone 11:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- [2][3][4][5][6]. Granted, they are all individually quite thin, but they do specifically name a single player in an otherwise short news notice. The last one also covers him winning a "silver ball" award. Note also that this is what I can find on the internet in Swedish (a language which I can read), and does not include anything in Finnish. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Any links to this press coverage? The references provided are only passing mentions and youth caps don't confer notability. Many players have their pages deleted and then recreated when they make their senior debut. I don't see why this 16 year old is any more remarkable than, say, Jeffrey Bruma who has an U21 cap but still fails notability guidelines. Spiderone 11:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- My keep vote is back in place after a little more research. The player has also played for Finland's U17 team on several occasions, 30 according to this article. The requirement of "fully professional league" is unreasonable if it excludes players from fully professional teams such as IFK Mariehamn. It would mean that players on a 12-team fully professional league are notable, but that expanding the league with two semi-professional teams would suddendly render all the players, including the professional ones, to be non-notable. It appears that Nordström is considered to be a player of some importance in Åland since the sports press there highlights Nordström when he plays these matches. He is not the most notable player in Finland, but there I feel now that the press coverage from numerous occasions is enough to let him pass the WP:GNG guildeline. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I was unaware that Nordström had not yet played for the top team, so I'll withdraw the keep vote for now. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That is a weak argument. Basically, this person hasn't played a game in a league that isn't even professional. Players in professional leagues who haven't played tend to get deleted despite media coverage. See: Mattia Destro and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronald Huth (2nd nomination) Spiderone 12:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, has not played. Geschichte (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Professional player. Does not fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. --SM (talk) 13:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment he fails both because the league is not fully professional and he hasn't received any independent or significant coverage from secondary sources. Spiderone 14:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Per nom. GauchoDude (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE, the media coverage supplied doesn't appear to be more than trivial as required by WP:GNG, and consensus has long been that youth caps don't afford notability. I think this is the wrong article to make a stand on. This is a 16-year-old who hasn't even played for his club. Recreate when he's actually done something in his career. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.