Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khalil Ziade (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Less Unless (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khalil Ziade

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While language is an issue, I cannot find notability as an athlete or a businessman. Owning a team isn't a path to guaranteed notability, which appears to be the only claim to notability. Not opposed to a redirect to Philippe_Ziade_(businessman)#Personal_life

NB: I was closer of prior AfD. REFUNDed as a soft delete at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Khalil_Ziade (courtesy @Graeme Bartlett:) Star Mississippi 12:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Basketball, Lebanon, and United States of America. Star Mississippi 12:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A search on Google News shows only press releases.^[1]-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would accept Draftify if the editor who wants it saved made a commitment to try to bring the article up to an acceptable standard.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Strictly press releases found. I don't see any sourcing we'd use for this person, likely PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please find reliable sources:

https://growthholdings.us/ One of the top real estate & company in US based in Las Vegas Nevada and contribute in construction, philanthropy, renewable energy and technology where Khalil is the Vice president.

https://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2023-11/60783140-otonomus-vice-president-khalil-ziade-jr-sparks-unprecedented-demand-in-tulum-s-riviera-maya-200.htm His business in Tulum

http://leagues.uhlife.com/team_home.aspx?RegionID=10&ClubTeamID=7369&SeasonDivisionID=1482 Proof of he is basketball player

https://yatunisia.com/5857/ about his baskeball team that he launched

https://morocco-news.net/6387/ interview about his business

https://news-music.net/6625/ His contribution for the port explosion

I request to keep his page as Wikipedia is wide encyclopedia with lot of database and many Lebanese less popular have pages. Please to keep the same message to have the largest database for all the countries and for the different field. 176.203.6.111 (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't worry if kept or deleted. 176.203.152.140 gave this statement in their request to have it back: "The person really exist and is Lebanese businessman and fan of Basketball Player and used to play in Antranik, As businessman is the vice president of growth construction owned by his brother Phillipe, He is entrepreneur and philanthropist and one of the richest Lebanese which family are billionaire ( 4 Billion dollar estimated). I believe that the request of page or article deletion is by some Rival. I request for restoring the page as wikipedia is wide encyclopedia with lot of datas and database and many lebanese less popular have pages and articles such sports player playing in lower divison, decent actor in low Lebanese series, writer which instructed in my university and not known as an author or writer. The good thing about wikipedia is the largest information and database, please keep the same message especially Khalil and Phillipe are investors and well know business in Lebanon which are expanding. If anything controversy Wikipedia will expose it with reference but why to delete the page." Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please find the reliable notability you requested:

Businessmen:

https://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2023-11/60783140-otonomus-vice-president-khalil-ziade-jr-sparks-unprecedented-demand-in-tulum-s-riviera-maya-200.htm His business in Tulum

https://group-mbc.com/6268/

https://group-mbc.com/6501/

https://group-mbc.com/6352/

https://group-mbc.com/6229/

https://group-mbc.com/5284/

https://group-mbc.com/4768/

Detailed article about the businessman an entrepreneur by one of the famous website in the Arab region

https://addiyar.com/article/1921376-%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%86-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A3%D9%87%D9%85-%D9%88%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%B7%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A9-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%86%D9%87%D9%88%D8%B6-%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86%D9%8A-%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%AB%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%A7%D8%B9 Detailed article by Aldiyyar one the most famous newspaper in Lebanon

https://growthholdings.us/ His company with is his brothers One of the top real estate & company in US based in Las Vegas Nevada and contribute in construction, philanthropy, renewable energy and technology

Athlete:

http://leagues.uhlife.com/team_home.aspx?RegionID=10&ClubTeamID=7369&SeasonDivisionID=1482

https://www.facebook.com/arabasket/photos/a.1483283625273139/2972776569657163/

https://www.nidaalwatan.com/article/26483-%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B9%D8%A9-2%D8%A3%D9%86%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%AB%D9%81-%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%87

https://group-mbc.com/5604/ Hon.President and major share holder which lead the team from lower division to the Lebanese top league division which now playing under the name of NSA and compete in the Basketball Lebanese top division where basketball is very popular in Lebanon which the league is one of the strongest league in Asia 176.203.6.111 (talk) 07:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Lebanese newspaper you found an article in is Ad-Diyar. Would you be willing to spend some time improving the article, if the article were moved to draft as Draft:Khalil Ziade? If you are going to do that, you need to learn how to present citations better (see example).

"خليل زيادة: نحن مُقبلون على أهم وأخطر مرحلة للنهوض بنادي "ابني لبنان" وثورة القطاع الرياضي هدفنا" [Khalil Ziadeh: We are entering the most important and dangerous stage for the advancement of the Ibn Lebanon” club, and the sports sector revolution is our goal.]. Ad-Diyar (in Arabic). 28 July 2021. Archived from the original on 15 August 2021.

Notice that it helps to have the URL presented in the original script, though bot-editor tools are likely to mess it up.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is more support from editors for this article to be draftified. I hope the IP editor realizes that they will need to work to improve it and submit it to WP:AFC for review.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Need some feedback on earlier relisting comment or on this article in general from other editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (for now, might change) – All the sources, except for this one because I can't see the whole article, are interviews, press releases, about what this subject says (not about this subject), or mentions, which fall short of WP:SIGCOV. In addition I'm not convinced the group-mbc.com website is reliable at all. I can't find material online either. If the Ad-Diyar article has significant coverage (apparently you have to ask the publication) I would be okay with draftify. TLA^tlak 02:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ad-Diyar article is primarily about the "Ibn Lebanon" club. Khalil Ziade is mentioned six times (either by name or as "he") and the article has two quotations from him. I have added an archive link to the citation template above. When I looked at the article on 20 March, it was freely available. If you cannot read Arabic, you can paste the text from the web archive version into Google Translate ("Ibn Lebanon" means "son of Lebanon" - this seems to confuse Google Translate). Note that pasting the archive URL into Google Translate does not work.-- Toddy1 (talk) 04:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. From what I see, there isn't enough about the subject specifically, so I'm at a firm delete now unless someone somehow finds something. TLA^tlak 16:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I could only find press releases but no evidence of multiple coverage from reliable independent sources. Contributor892z (talk) 13:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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