Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammed "The Hawk" Shahid

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The result was delete. Those !voting to keep have not managed to present policy-based arguments supported by linked sources. Modussiccandi (talk) 08:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammed "The Hawk" Shahid

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Subject is a mixed martial fighter. Subject fails NMMA for not having at least 3 top tier promotion fights and subject also fail GNG for info of the fight is merely routine reports Cassiopeia talk 09:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Cassiopeia talk 09:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bahrain-related deletion discussions. Cassiopeia talk 09:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Sportspeople. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as an MMA fighter he may not be notable but as the president of Brave FC, he has received a fair amount of coverage that I think leans towards passing GNG. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 18:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Brave FC is not a notable / top tier promotion, the fight info of him is as per mentioned was a routine report.21:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassiopeia (talk • contribs)
Delete Fails GNG and WP:NSPORTS. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:22, 19 March 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Keep as Mohammed Shahid is not only the president of BRAVE Combat Federation, but a notable in the MMA world who looks to change MMA from an event business to a sports business. This could be seen from the recent BRAVE International Combat Week event which took place few weeks ago in Bahrain where top International Mixed Martial Arts Federation countries could fight for the spot of the best Amateur mixed martial arts federation with a price and a trophy to be won by the top federation. This is a first of it's kind in MMA world where team fight against other teams. This vision only came true through the initiative and organization of Mohammed Shahid and Kerrith Brown, president of International Mixed Martial Arts Federation. Shahid fails NMMA as he is no longer a mixed martial arts fighter but rather a notable MMA organizer and with vision to impact lives. Rather than deleting, his wiki page should rather be updated. Ryan mambo (talk) 07:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC) — Ryan mambo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment: Being the president of a MMA org does not mean the subject merit a page in the Wikipedia, but the subject needs to pass the Wikipedia notability which none of the above editor demonstrate the necessary requirements. Cassiopeia talk 23:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he is notable as the CEO of Brave Combat Federation receiving citations from tier 1 publications and national media. He has also received national media citations almost on a daily basis. The page needs to be updated. Haribhagirath (talk) 18:50, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Being the president of a MMA org does not mean the subject merit a page in the Wikipedia, but the subject needs to pass the Wikipedia notability which none of the above editor demonstrate the necessary requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassiopeia (talk •
Comment: Body text and sources have since added after my comment above, but the career section is about the company/org and not about the subject himself. No relevant to contribute to GNG for the subject as notability is not inherited. Subject still fails notability guidelines. Cassiopeia talk 04:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

contribs) 08:56, March 26, 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 18:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Third time is a charm. The keep votes are not policy based so if we are keeping we need gng levl sourcing showing please.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He is not notable for his sports achievements. He appears to be an active promoter of sporting events and is frequently mentioned in articles. However, looking through the sources I don't see much coverage of him as a person--only as a promoter of this or that event. That doesn't seem like significant coverage to me and he doesn't appear to meet WP:ANYBIO. I'm leaning delete unless someone can show me specific coverage that meets WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since no additional coverage has been shown, I am voting to Delete this article. Papaursa (talk) 11:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He was a fighter and became a businessman, He even has sources in Arabic Mila vecto (talk) 03:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete article is borderline promotional; sources are of dubious significance and independence (unless somebody can bother to point out WP:THREE among the mess that is currently this article) and do not appear to amount to anything ressembling WP:SIGCOV. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete First he was a MMA fighter, then he was a businessman because there is no sources for the MMA classification. There is no effective sourcing as a businesman either. Fails WP:SIGCOV. A very very poor article with promo problems. scope_creep^Talk 23:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on account of subject failing to meet the required notability-criteria. We keep reading above that "there must be sources", or that "surely, sources exist in other languages", or that "the subject already is or must be notable" --yet no support for these assertions has been produced. Diagnosis: No legs to stand on. -The Gnome (talk) 11:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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