Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natsuki Okamoto

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The result was no consensus. ansh 666 22:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Natsuki Okamoto

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Non-notable actress and model. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR, there is a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. The editor whose username is Z0 11:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Japanese Wikipedia article seems to indicate that she is no longer working as a model or as an actress, but there is a more extensive filmography there, including credits as one of the main actors or actresses in several apparently notable movies. Those could be indications of notability, if someone wanted to do the research and improve the article. Dekimasuよ! 19:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to allow someone with Japanese language skills to check the ja-wiki article
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 10:30, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Probably fails WP:GNG but Oricon profile (www.oricon.co.jp/prof/330395/) shows enough activity in TV, movies, and advertising to (barely) pass WP:ENT. Only needs to pass one of those notability guidelines, so keep. Bakazaka (talk) 18:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on account of subject's unverifiable claim to notability. Fails WP:NMODEL and WP:ACTRESS. In none of the films in which she's cited as having participated was subject a main player. From the evidence online (e.g. here), she is trying to build a celebrity status, yet she fails WP:NCELEBRITY as well. -The Gnome (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this comment is on Natsuki Okamoto (television personality), not the subject of this AfD. This article should be properly disambiguated if both are found to be notable. The subject of this AfD is billed as high as second in film appearances linked on the Japanese Wikipedia (ja:Life (映画)), although it doesn't seem anyone has decided to update the English article to include films in which she was a main player. Dekimasuよ! 19:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings. The only prominent role I can locate is in the Shin Sasaki 2007 movie Life. I cannot find much else, besides background roles. And it seems I have the right person. -The Gnome (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your Kotaku link is about Natsuki Okamoto (television personality). Kotaku’s writing about someone who was 48 (now 53), while the AfD discusses someone different who is under 30. Dekimasuよ! 11:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fine but can you provide this process with something concrete, something on which we can hang our Keep hats? We need sources. -The Gnome (talk) 13:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

She was the female lead for A Sky Too Far to See (2011; ja:見えないほどの遠くの空を), the most recent listing for her on IMDB. Corroborated here. She had a significant recurring role in the TV Tokyo show ja:ケータイ捜査官7 (listed as a "main actor" by Oricon, also see, e.g. Asahi Shimbun [1]). Is this enough? Dekimasuよ! 19:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's an article that deals with her in TITLe (タイトル) 2006年 03月号. She also had several modeling DVDs. I don't know whether those are considered notable and they are a bit disturbing. But here are links: [2] [3] [4]. Dekimasuよ! 19:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No wonder you use the term "disturbing." The proffered sources indicate we'd be entering into paedophilic territory with this. She's a 14-year old girl. Wikipedia, last I checked, is exceptionally severe in dealing with issues that can be assumed to promote in any way paedophilia. (See Wikipedia:Child protection; see ArbCom statement, 2010; see WP's blocking policy; see Jimbo's diamond-clear pointers in 2007 and in 2010; see Wikimedia executive director Sue Gardner's 2010 statement: "Wikipedia has a long-held, zero-tolerance policy towards pedophilia or pedophilia advocacy and child pornography. The Wikimedia community is vigilant about identifying and deleting any such material.") Better watch out, folks. -The Gnome (talk) 07:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Good to point those things out. To be clear, she is now 28, the DVDs are not pornographic, and they are just what pop up in an Amazon Japan search. I'm no expert on what makes a gravure idol notable, but Japan has never been the best on the sorts of issues dealt with at Wikipedia:Child protection. I agree it would be best to get back to the Oricon and Asahi links above, and the other film from 2011. Dekimasuよ! 09:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And since "Japan has never been the best on the sorts of issues dealt with at Wikipedia:Child protection," it's up to us, the editors of the English-language Wikipedia, to be vigilant. Whether the material offered as notability evidence is blessed by Amazon or the Catholic Church itself is immaterial. Better watch out, folks. -The Gnome (talk) 10:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:NACTOR with multiple prominent roles in notable productions Atlantic306 (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate something more specific so that I see what I'm missing. Thanks in advance. -The Gnome (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 16:55, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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