Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Epoch Notation Painting

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Ty 23:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Epoch Notation Painting

Notability issues for over a year. So listed DimaG (talk) 19:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fabrictramp | talk to me 01:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bduke (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC) --Bduke (talk) 07:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Bduke (talk) 07:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above I have sought some input from Australian editors. --Bduke (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, it looks like gibberish or nonsense to me, and I've certainly never heard of it. Nothing on Google except for a long list of Wiki-mirrors, which suggests that it's not a widespread concept. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Comment, I've looked up some of the books that allegedly reference this, and there are some odd anomalies. For instance, a reference for "Concerning the Spiritual in Art" by Wassily Kandinsky is included, which indicates that there are 80 pages, but it took about ten seconds for me to locate the book, which only has 57 pages (and the ISBN's match up, so its not a similarly titled but different work). Likewise, The Encyclopedia of Australian Art by McCulloch is searchable on Google, but does not appear to have any reference to this particular 'writing' system within. Given the vague and demonstrably incorrect referencing, and the almost complete lack of anything else on the Internet concerning this, I'm even inclined to think that this may be a hoax. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]
~~Weak Keep~~ Neutral Obscure, but there is a reference in "The Encyclopedia of Australian Art" (Alan McCulloch). Not convinced that there's enough coverage to make it notable but I'm reluctant to support deletion since the article is well referenced, the topic appears to exist, and the main problem appears to be a lack of electronic sources, which is not grounds for deletion. Debate 木 12:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Age archive is theoretically searchable to 1990 (http://newsstore.theage.com.au/ ), although you do need to pay, but the results of a search on references from the article do not reassure me... (nor do the comments below)

1. The art of painting in numbers, The Age 25 May 1991

No reference found.

2. Heathcote, Christopher Dr. Harking back to Romantic spirit, The Age, 6 August 1993

Abstract: David Strachan, 1919-1970 (Ballarat Fine Art Gallery, until 5 September); Peter Graham: Central Australia, 1954-56 (Lyttleton Gallery, until 21 August). THE ROMANTIC SPIRIT has been passing through a bad spell in recent years. Contemporary artists have begun to realise how flexible the term i The Age 05/08/1993 Cost - $2.20 984 words

I would suggest to user:Newepoch that a condensed version of the material would better sit within the Peter Benjamin Graham article, and this would not trigger the same notability requirements associated with creating an entire article. Debate 木 13:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article will be expanded to address above issues in the near future. The reference for "Concerning the Spiritual in Art" by Wassily Kandinsky refers to the 1972 George Wittenborn Inc softcover edition which does have over 80 pages. As for The Encyclopedia of Australian Art by McCulloch issue - look up Peter Graham and you will see a reference to Notation Painting. Will endeavor to put in electronic references in the near future. [edit] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newepoch (talk • contribs) 13:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Given the references, it appears to be notable. Personally, I can't see why, but that's another matter. DGG (talk) 22:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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