Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plane ride from hell

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The result was delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plane ride from hell

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Aside from the obviously inappropriate title (I can think of several other plane rides that ended much less pleasantly than one where some professional wrestlers may have gotten unruly), this article is about a not particularly notable incident of...professional wrestlers getting unruly on a plane. The article doesn't even explain what happens, it is just being used as something of a BLP coatrack to display links to the reports, which are primarily made up of Bleacher Report and The Smoking Gun. kelapstick^(bainuu) 08:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, given the staff listing at Inside Pulse, I am thinking that they fall on the lesser side when it comes to reliable sources (although one guy uses a TARDIS as an avatar, so he must be legit.) --kelapstick^(bainuu) 09:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It looks like the term is what the WWE crowd was officially calling it, but I do think that it could've been titled a little better. I'll see what I can find, although I do think that it probably merits a mention somewhere. Whether or not it needs an article entirely to itself has yet to be determined.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found a mention in a paper, although it's so brief it'd be more trivial than anything else: [1]Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Another brief mention here: [2] From what I'm finding, this looks like it's something that's infamous in the fan circles but was never really fully covered in the mainstream press. Anyone have a good idea of where this could be mentioned? Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) You are correct, and perhaps a mention at WWE Insurrextion#2012 (the event that the flight followed) is in order. However there is nothing within the article that actually says what happened on the flight. You actually have to read the articles to find out, and as I said before, most are unreliable sources anyway (I think PWinsider is used as a RS in some event articles). I certainly don't think this should be left as a redirect following whatever is decided either.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 09:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One more concern I have with it (as it is now) is the Inside Report "source" (unfortunately not written by the TARDIS guy) has allegations of drug use (the PWInsider mentioned alcohol and basic immaturity), which I see as BLP coatrack concerns. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 09:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Weakish keep or maybe merge. This one's sort of a long story. It was first created in 2007, then resurfaced earlier this month as a copyvio by MasterOfTimeForever (talk · contribs). It was speedied but I thought the few sources I found indicated that it met WP:EVENT, so I recreated it, but couldn't really be bothered with trying to write anything in-depth that wouldn't be a massive WP:BLP issue. I asked MasterOfTimeForever if they'd be willing to help flesh it out, but that didn't really go as I'd hoped.

For what it's worth, I don't think the article as it currently stands, which doesn't mention any individuals, is a BLP problem. I also don't think WP:COATRACK can be relevant to an article which was consciously written to steer clear of saying anything controversial. If this were a coatrack, what would be the "tangentially related biased subject"? AfD also isn't the place to discuss the title of an article, or its lack of content.

Ultimately though, I think its notability comes down to the reliability of its sources (as does the question of whether a BLP-compliant expansion could ever be made). Having never edited pro wrestling articles before, I don't really know what the norms are; so in creating the article I took a fairly broad view of reliability in the expectation that if I were to mistakenly reference an obviously unreliable source it'd be removed quickly. For what it's worth, I think two of the Bleacher Report pieces having been a part of BR's featured columnist program might tip them over the threshold. Perhaps a concurrent WP:RSN thread, looking specifically at the sources as they're used in this article, would be appropriate and help us all clarify our !votes?

Even if the sources do stand up though, merging and redirecting to WWE Insurrextion#2012 might be the best plan. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to WWE Insurrextion#2012 as discussed above. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is not the news. Carrite (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Isn't demonstrated to meet WP:EVENT via diverse reliable sources (the mainstream media, an essential for an EVENT, seem to have paid no attention) - it has been alleged that two wrestlers were fired directly as a result, that stewardesses filed lawsuits and WWE was banned from flying with the plane company again... but I've not seen any firm proof any of that is true, so all we have is hearsay about a group of men getting drunk and behaving foolishly (hardly breaking news!!). There is at least one shoot interview (Sean Waltman, YouShoot!, Kayfabe Commentaries) which deals with the event but a single POV is not enough basis for an article which could severely violate WP:BLP. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 17:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
strongest delete This is a good call from the nom. This is a coatrack, it could be scandal mongering a la WP:SOAP a.k.a. WP:NOTGOSSIP with the current title. The topic of the content, IMHO, doesn't even rise to the level where WP:NOTNEWS comes into play. BLP issues abound. Roodog2k (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This falls into WP:What Wikipedia is NOT, although it also fails WP:V. There was a sexual harassment lawsuit in 2004. There is no mention of any criminal charges having been filed in 2002. Unscintillating (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per the good arguments already made. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:42, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- This is dumb trivia. Speedy Delete on grounds of WP:SNOW. Feedback ^☎ 17:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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