Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raz Sarkisjan

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The result was delete. Secret ^account 03:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Raz Sarkisjan

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Kickboxer who's appears to never been ranked in the top 10 or fought for a major championship. He has one big upset win, but lost his last fight and has never cracked the top 10. Does not meet WP:MANOTE or any other notability criteria. Mdtemp (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Mdtemp (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He had a fight on It's Showtime 60, a loss to Marcus Vinicius. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 22:54, 02 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how losing at a non-notable kickboxing event confers notability.Mdtemp (talk) 15:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For some people losing gives notability. This is nothing. See Araksi Çetinyan and its first deletion discussion. She "won" a contest which was annulled. Her title has been "retrieved". Neither the competition she participated (we have no clue who else did so) nor herself (we don't know if she is still alive but we made a BLP for her) has any notability at all but still she has a WP article. It is not about what you do but how many colleagues you've got. --E4024 (talk) 16:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Martial arts/Kickboxing task force ==> Notability ==> People : As an additional criteria, it is presumed that a kickboxer is notable if he/she fulfills one of the following: has competed in promotions K-1 and It's Showtime. This rule must be updated because of Glory however he fought in It's Showtime as the rule says. If I didn't understand the rule than my fault and delete profile. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 22:54, 04 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He has competed at the highest level of kickboxing in promotions such as It's Showtime and RISE, and has a recent win over the world #1 lightweight Masaaki Noiri. The page needs to be updated not deleted. - Shaolin Punk (talk) 22:31, 02 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The victory over Noiri would have been more impressive if they'd fought at lightweight (which is 60 or 63 kg, depending on the promotion). Instead, they fought as middleweights (generally a 66 kg limit), which is Sarkisjan's weight class. That's why the victory didn't help Sarkisjan move up in anybody's rankings.Mdtemp (talk) 15:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The claim that simply appearing at an "It's Showtime" event makes a fighter notable has not been supported at other AFDs. For example, Moise Rimbon was deleted despite appearing at a K-1 event (and being an MMA fighter). Sarkisjan's victory over Noiri was a big upset, but appears to have been a one time event--he hasn't followed it up with victories in the 66 kg division.204.126.132.231 (talk) 14:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 11:44, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I couldn't find signficant independent coverage of him. The coverage of his upset over Noiri was routine sports reporting. He doesn't seem to have fought for any major titles or ever been ranked in the top 10. Papaursa (talk) 05:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 09:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sorry, but I'm not seeing claims to notability, except for his one upset win (fighting someone from a lower weight division) and that doesn't appear to meet any project notability criteria. There's also a lack of significant independent coverage to show he meets WP:GNG.Mdtemp (talk) 19:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm finding very little independent coverage of him, so I don't think you can argue that he passes WP:GNG. He also doesn't seem to pass any martial arts specific guideline. CaSJer (talk) 16:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to boil down to whether failing to meet the notability criteria at WP:GNG, WP:MANOTE, and WP:KICK is trumped by being a middleweight who beat the top ranked lightweight. Papaursa (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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