Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert A. Kinzie III

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 23:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Robert A. Kinzie III

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Reason Akoawahine (talk) 18:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC) The family of recently-deceased Robert A. Kinzie III has contacted me (as the Instructor of the class in which the page was created) and asked that the article be removed in the interest of privacy.[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Hawaii. Shellwood (talk) 18:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They would have to contact wikipedia themselves. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have contacted Wiki, particularly because this was a first-time class project, and have been advised that I needed to initiate the discussion for this request. It seems to me that a family should have some rights in what Wiki publishes about their loved one. Akoawahine (talk) 20:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He is dead so they have no say in this. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"He" is their husband, father, and grandfather. Akoawahine (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Family still does not have any say over an article about a deceased relative. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: No valid reason for deletion has been presented. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I don't think we should let people request a relative's article be deleted. I don't see anything in the article that constitutes a privacy violation.

aaronneallucas (talk) 19:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He appears to pass WP:PROF#C1, and no valid reason for deletion has been advanced. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well sourced article with an easy pass at PROF. "The family" doesn't seem aware that the individual is notable. Oaktree b (talk) 20:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They are aware, they are grieving, and they request deletion because RAK III would not have approved. Akoawahine (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not care about the wishes of the dead. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: To put it a little gentler: while we do sometimes take into account a living person's wishes if they are a low-profile notable individual, I'm not sure we've ever done so if the subject is deceased and it is their family who requests deletion. If his research is significant in some way in the field of biology/zoology, as the article and his citation count suggests, then it is likely he is a notable figure as a leading academic in those fields. Curbon7 (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Looking at his scholar profile, he seems to be a prominent academic in his area of study. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: While unfortunate that the family feels this way about the article, he passes WP:PROF and seems notable. ULPS (talk) 12:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment: I was assigned to create this biography for a college course, and if Kinzie's family would prefer for it to be deleted I would like to abide by their wishes Kmalco13 (talk) 20:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One it has been put on Wikipedia, it is up to the community to discus and an administrator to make the final decision. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 02:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep not a BLP, plenty of evidence of passing PROF. It's not maudlin, or especially laudatory, nor obviously an attack. If there is a problem they can contact me or an admin with more details. Bearian (talk) 14:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. If there is private information, such as date of birth, that can be removed without resorting to AfD. Bearian (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.