Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seljuk campaigns in the Aegean

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seljuk campaigns in the Aegean

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Turkish article has also been tagged uncited for a long time. I could not find any academic sources and the Turkish ones were unreliable such as https://eodev.com/gorev/19114676 However there are so many editors knowledgable about military history I am sure discussion here will be fruitful Chidgk1 (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Turkey. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nonsense, unsourced, made-up, anachronistic term/concept. It's a fork, too. Aintabli (talk) 23:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aintabli Do you mean a fork of Battle of the Oinousses Islands (1090)?

What about a source I just found:

https://www.dzkk.tsk.tr/en-US/Genel/Content/turkish-naval-forces-command ?

It says “ Emir Çaka Bey was the first pioneer to introduce the maritime environment to the Turks. He was one of the most courageous raiders of the Seljuks, but was captured by the Byzantine Empire in 1078 when the Turks were marching towards the West. He constructed a shipbuilding facility, a kind of shipyard deemed very modern for that era. The region around this facility developed to become a naval base. Ship-constructing activities from then on commenced and the first Turkish Fleet of 50 sailing boats and rowboats was built in 1081. That year is extremely important in the history of the Turkish Navy, since it has been regarded as the foundation of the Turkish Naval Forces. In the same year, Emir Çaka Bey sailed into the warm waters of the Aegean Sea with the first Turkish Fleet.

In 1090, Çaka Bey’s fleet confronted the Byzantine Fleet off Koyun Islands coast in the Central Aegean Sea, where a battle was inevitable.

He commanded his fleet of 50 sailing boats by managing a series of tactical manoeuvres skillfully and the enemy fleet was struck repeatedly at its weakest points. Having suffered heavy losses, the Byzantine fleet was forced to withdraw. After this victory, Emir Çaka Bey broadened his control zone throughout seas and reached Çanakkale with his fleet. The sudden death of him in 1095 slowed down the development of the Turkish seamanship.” Chidgk1 (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=tr&project=wikipedia&title=1.+Koyun+Adalar%C4%B1+Muharebesi&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0&use_engine=0 As I have a bad relationship with Turkish Wikipedia and also it is illegal to insult the military I have no further comments except to say that I was not aware of the info on the navy website when I proposed this article for deletion. Oh and thanks very much to the navy for keeping us safe - I have never seen a mine on the beach here. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article has always been essentially a fork of Tzachas, with some other unrelated later engagements included to invent a topic. Constantine ✍ 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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