Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultanate of Dawe

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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sultanate of Dawe

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Tagged as hoax; I think that's probably right. All the references which would confirm its existence are unlinked interviews, with people that do not appear in Google results. I spot checked a couple of the sultans and their names also only appear in wikimirrors of this page. ℰmi1y_⧼T·C⧽ 04:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Royalty and nobility, and Ethiopia. ℰmi1y_⧼T·C⧽ 04:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing on JSTOR or Google Scholar. All the hits on Google Books seem to be false positives for the last name "Dawe" Elinruby (talk) 19:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Honestly can't find anything on this. If this does turn out to be real with reliable sources then I will retract my vote but this honestly seems like a hoax. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's difficult to find information on some of these smaller polities in the Horn of Africa, which is why I've left this be for years. But today I stumbled across a source that lists the historic sultanates of the Afar people: a Ph.D. thesis by Kassa Negussie Getachew ("Tradition, continuity and Socioeconomic Change: Among the Pastoral Afar of the Middle Awash Valley in North Eastern Ethiopia" [University of London, 1997], p. 16 n.16). This thesis has been since published (ISBN 9057270390). These sultanates are: the Arikala Sultanate (with its capital at Rahayto); the Awssa Sultanate; then the smaller ones of Biru, Gobad & a second one based a Rahayto. Kassa then concludes, "In addition there are chiefdoms whose history is still mysterious like that of the small Sultanates." In short if it's not one of the 5 in this list, burden of proof should lie on the person who creates the article. -- llywrch (talk) 22:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Llywrch, I see you created this article but I can't tell by your interesting comment what you think should happen with this article. I'd be interested in hearing your verdict on this specific article and whether or not there is content worth preserving or if this is a hoax.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can’t find any RIS to support this. Mccapra (talk) 09:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia has trouble with small traditional governments, or so it seemed to me with respect to Berbers and Inuit. And yet. The UN report does not contain 'Dawe'. I have not found any mention of a people or a language or a tribe or a sultanate named Dawe or Daw. I have no knowledge of the area that would allow me to guess whether it could have been transliterated Daouai or something of the kind. It's obviously unreferenced though, which is a problem no matter what. The Afar page does list them but as I recall the mention is unreferenced. Call this a reluctant delete unless somebody finds mention of them in print at all. We would still have to debate RS, probably, but if there isn't anything about it in writing at all let alone in RS I don't see that we have much choice. Elinruby (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Can't find any independent and reliable sources, fails WP:GNG. Belichickoverbrady (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think Elinruby found the terminology I was struggling for: reluctant delete. (For the record, I didn't create this article. I may have made edits to it years ago, but I don't know enough about this part of Ethiopia to do that. Despite my researches, there are large parts of that country that are still blanks to me.) -- llywrch (talk) 17:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While you were editing did you see any other spellings? Dawé could conceivably be spelled Daouai for example, if the place ever had ties to Djibouti or some other aspect of French colonialism. But the French are meticulous recordkeepers, so you would think there would be *some* trace. Elinruby (talk) 20:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fwiw I tried "Daouai" and only got a bunch of false positives for the French city of Douai. Elinruby (talk) 20:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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