Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Torture in Ukraine

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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 02:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Torture in Ukraine

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Reason: Misleading; written in present tense, cites references from 2001 ie before the revolution. Actions in "eastern Ukraine" may be committed by Russian or Russian-backed troops Elinruby (talk) 11:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC) Adding: topic itself may possibly notable but this article does not support that. Elinruby (talk) 12:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ appears to be created by a WP:SPA who's entire wikipedia history appears to be connected to the recent war in Ukraine. The complete focus on alleged misbehaviour of one side of the conflict, and the absence of mention on the other side (despite widespread reporting) make me think this article exists to push a point of view. I note WP:POV CT55555 (talk) 12:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Convincing arguments for keep here, withdrawing my delete vote. CT55555 (talk) 19:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Law, and Ukraine. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems well-sourced. I mean it's going to be one-sided, there isn't really a happy side to this sort of thing. Oaktree b (talk) 16:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I believe that the vast majority of countries have some history of torture, including my country. We even have several articles on torture from several countries. According to WP:DEL-CONTENT, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Vandalism to a page's content can be reverted by any user." Furthermore, the article is referenced. Whether they were acts committed by Russians or not is something that can be added to the article, as long as they are referenced with a reliable source. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 16:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You make a good point. I'm reconsidering my delete above...I may change it...let's see what others say...currently I'm more open minded. CT55555 (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Wagners rationale. Per good sourcing. Improvements could be made of course, but overall a good article. BabbaQ (talk) 17:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Blow it up and start over As nom. There are some current allegations that Amnesty and HRW take seriously. Well, one that I am aware of, and I don't exclude the possibility of others, which is why I said that the topic might be notable. But the article should confine itself to torture if any by the government or armed forces of the current non-Soviet government, ie since 2014, with perhaps a background section on abuses of the prior Soviet puppet regime. But this misrepresentation of actions under Soviet control in 2001 as part of the current government's record should not sit around in the meantime waiting for somebody to maybe one day fix it. Elinruby (talk) 08:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but Rewrite per Wagner. I think the topic is notable enough to keep, but the article needs a lot of improvement. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a notable and timely subject, and there is much more material available to satisfy WP:GNG and balance this article (re: occupied Crimea, Donbas “republics,” and in current war zones, occupied territories, and Russian concentration camps). —Michael Z. 18:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but rewrite - Wagner makes a good argument; the topic is certainly noteworthy enough for inclusion, but in line with several of the other comments here, this does feel like a bit of a WP:TNT situation. Sleddog116 (talk) 13:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.