Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zheng Saisai

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The result was delete. No evidence of meeting a notability guideline produced by consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zheng Saisai

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Fails Tennis notabilty as per here KnowIG (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails notability criteria for tennis players. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 15:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I would say that winning a gold medal at the Youth Olympic Games would make a sportsperson notable. You can have a look at the discussion over here for clarification although it is still debatable. There are also aplenty of articles created on the basis that they had won gold medals at YOG. Here I lists down some of them: Viktoria Komova, Tan Sixin, Boglárka Kapás, Alexia Sedykh, Braian Toledo, Khaddi Sagnia, Nicholas Hough, Odane Skeen [1]. A brief look on google showed that there are significant coverage on them and therefore they should pass GNG. Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 22:18, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment— I'm in two minds on this one. I agree with the general overarching idea that winning a Youth Olympics gold medal is enough for a sportsperson to be considered notable. Indeed, the gymnastics notability criteria (which as it's a mostly amateur sport is a bit less strict than most others on that page) already specifically lists winning a YOG gold medal as being notable. In most cases of the articles listed above by Arteyu (disclaimer: I created the Alexia Sedykh article), the athletes already meet their individual sports' notability requirements (Tan and Komova both won gold medals in gymnastics at the Games); Boglárka Kapás was at the 2008 Beijing Olympics and thus per WP:NSPORT#Olympic and Paralympic Games is notable; Braian Toledo holds a world youth best making him notable under WP:NSPORT#Athletics/Track & Field and long-distance running; while the other three would pass WP:GNG generally even if not specifically passing the athletes' notability guidelines.
However, that said, the article on Zheng Saisai at hand here is, importantly, unsourced and not much more than a stub. As it is on a living person, it's definitely a worthy candidate for deletion. I think it shouldn't be deleted if the article can be improved sufficiently with enough sources to meet GNG (significant coverage in multiple reliable sources), but unless that happens then there should be no problems with deleting the article without prejudice against recreating. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 02:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Since drafting the various athletic notability criteria was devolved to the pertinent Wikiprojects, I'm sure the tennis people have a good handle on their own notability criteria. Comparing the gymnastic criteria fails on a very important point; so very many world-class gymnasts are underage teens that a gold medalist at the Youth Games stands a high chance of being a noteworthy performer in his or her own right. (Come to that, with the exceptions of gymnastics and figure skating, how many sports have had underage teen world champions in the last generation? I'd bet that those two sports comprise almost all of them.) Fails the GNG. Ravenswing 18:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Winning a gold medal at the Olympics, youth or not, makes you notable. (Gabinho^>:) 23:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Comment: Fair enough. Would you mind pointing to the criterion which says so? Alternately, upon what policy or guideline are you basing your argument? Ravenswing 04:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I based my argument on the notability of the Youth Olympics itself. If I read an article about the Tennis sections at the Youth Olympics, let's say, I would definitely want to know more info about a gold medalist! I don't know why everyone is so strict about those guidelines and criteria. Some articles do not meet them, but that does not mean they are not notable for any other reason! This is an encyclopedia, and if a gold medalist at an Olympics event it is not notable, then let's just delete the hole Wiki and move on with our lives. (Gabinho^>:) 13:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]

We are strict about paying attention to guidelines and criteria because they represent the consensus as to what belongs in the encyclopedia and what doesn't. I'm sure, for instance, that you wouldn't appreciate me attempting to mass delete your tennis articles, in defiance of those self-same guidelines and criteria, with a claim that tennis is a silly sport and doesn't deserve any premise of notability. General consensus has always been that medalists at the Youth Olympics are not presumptively notable, because the Youth Olympics doesn't represent the highest standard of competition available, historically the governing factor for presumptive notability of athletes. If you'd either like to overturn that consensus or overturn all guidelines and criteria you don't like, this AfD isn't the proper venue to do it. That being said, you're tossing WP:ITSIMPORTANT and WP:ILIKEIT arguments at us. Ravenswing 17:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 04:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails secondary notability guidelines for tennis players. This is an amateur teenage athlete. If we had articles on every amateur athlete with career prize money over $5000, we'd have a billion articles. And winning a gold in the Youth Olympics is many orders of magnitude lower on the notability scale than winning a gold in the Olympics. The difference is an olympics gold medalist is arguably the best athlete in the world in that sport at that time, a youth olympics gold medalist is the best athlete in the world between the ages 14-18 whose parents have enough money to send them to Singapore for the one instance of the youth olympics that has ever taken place. Big difference. SnottyWong ^gossip 16:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

perhaps you mean a thousand, not a billion. And we could handle a thousand if we decided we wanted to. DGG ( talk ) 06:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:NTENNIS. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 16:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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