Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 September 19

September 19

File:Love Live! promotional image.jpg

Fails WP:NFCC#1, as this poster's role of identifying Love Live! School Idol Project can be achieved with the free file c:File:Love Live! logo with line.svg on Commons. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Displaying the characters and the art style of the series contributes significantly to reader recognition and understanding of the topic. The logo does not serve the same encyclopedic purpose. — Goszei (talk) 03:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An image displaying the characters and the art style of the series, such as this one sourced from Polygon,^[1] can be included in Love Live! School Idol Project § Characters to illustrate them. Infoboxes for Wikipedia articles on media franchises often include logos too simple for copyright protection, again per WP:NFCC#1 (for examples, see Star Wars, Harry Potter and Toy Story [franchise]). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The key issue here with WP:NFCC#1 is if it ...would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. I would argue that a logo in the infobox does not serve the same encyclopedic purpose to introduce the reader to what this series primarily is, which is to say, an audio-visual anime series centered on the characters given in the image. Love Live! has just the logo in its infobox because it's the main article for the franchise (exactly like the Star Wars, Harry Potter and Toy Story examples given), but if this image were removed from Love Live! School Idol Project, it would then be equivalent to removing the movie poster from Star Wars (film), which of course wouldn't make any sense.--十八 20:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[I]f this image were removed from Love Live! School Idol Project, it would then be equivalent to removing the movie poster from Star Wars (film), which of course wouldn't make any sense.

Except, the use of a simple logo in the infobox and a group shot of characters in the body of an article for a TV series and similar is not unprecedented (see Bob's Burgers and Bob's Burgers § Main characters, Friends and Friends § Episodes, The Office (American TV series) and The Office (American TV series) § Characters, etc.). A series poster could be used in the infobox for all of the aforementioned cases and more, but none are used because they would fail WP:NFCC#1. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 22:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a false equivalency, edging on other stuff exists. Those examples you cited don't use the series' logo in the character images. This case does, so the infobox image serves the dual purpose to provide the logo, and also to give the reader an instant idea of what this series is about. Anime is so varied, with so many different styles, that an image in the infobox depicting the series' art style is often enough for even a casual reader to determine if the series is a moe series (like in this case) or is something like Psycho-Pass that is anything but. I do not believe a simple logo in the infobox is sufficient for this type of branch article (which already has a separate franchise article) and does not serve the same encyclopedic purpose (NFCC#1) that a simple logo would provide, which is basically nothing.--十八 02:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I am not opposed to including an image depicting the style and characters of the series. As I already mentioned in a previous reply, such an image would be included in the § Characters section in the article body similar to the other series I mentioned above. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I still feel that's splitting hairs. The first thing you see in an article, especially on mobile view, is going to be the infobox. The reader shouldn't have to be forced to scroll down to see if an image representing the series is even given if it's perfectly justified to have it in the infobox for a branch article, where you would expect to see some form of visual representation when the franchise article only uses the logo, as in Love Live!. Using Bob's Burgers as an example, it would be equivalent to not including an image of the DVD cover in Bob's Burgers season 1 because File:Bob's Burgers logo.png exists. I believe that's why NFCC#1 is worded the way it is, because "encyclopedic purpose" is inherently subjective, and is meant (I believe) to give editors latitude to determine what best serves the encyclopedia. I do not feel just a logo, on first viewing of a branch article of this nature in the infobox, serves the same purpose as the character art + the logo.--十八 06:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Lee, Julia (February 25, 2020). "Love Live!, the Japanese anime idol series, explained". Polygon. Archived from the original on February 25, 2020. Retrieved September 19, 2024.

File:Tuoni-by-Tero-Porthan.jpg

A fair use image is not necessary to illustrate this mythical deity, especially a modern illustration Di (they-them) (talk) 04:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unencyclopedic. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:FM Center logo.jpg

Replaced by higher resolution version (different file format): File:FM Center logo.png. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Lee, Julia (February 25, 2020). "Love Live!, the Japanese anime idol series, explained". Polygon. Archived from the original on February 25, 2020. Retrieved September 19, 2024.

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