Talk:黃河
Min Nan
[edit]@Mar vin kaiser, do you have a source for saying that N̂g-hô is the Quanzhou and Xiamen pronunciation, and that Ûiⁿ-hô is the Zhangzhou pronunciation? I can't find it in Minnan Fangyan Da Cidian. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: I remember finding "N̂g-hô" in Minnan Fangyan Da Cidian not as an entry, but in one of the examples of one of the entries. But I forgot which entry it was. I wrote "Ûiⁿ-hô" because I figured that it would be the natural way of how Zhangzhou Hokkien would say it in relation to N̂g-hô. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 05:45, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: Do you remember if the example had a pronunciation with it? I added these two pronunciations way back when I inferred pronunciations and when we did not have location labels, and you put the labels afterwards. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: I found it. It's in page 205, for the entry khue (溪). The pronunciation is there too. For me, I'm sure that it's at least provides the Xiamen pronunciation, which I feel is the same as the Quanzhou pronunciation. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 07:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: Thanks for finding it! I've confirmed with 當代泉州音字彙 that the Quanzhou pronunciation for 河 is hô (which I thought might be hô͘). It doesn't say what the pronunciation of 黃 is, but I think it's reasonable to say that the Quanzhou pronunciation is the same as the Xiamen one. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 08:07, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: I found it. It's in page 205, for the entry khue (溪). The pronunciation is there too. For me, I'm sure that it's at least provides the Xiamen pronunciation, which I feel is the same as the Quanzhou pronunciation. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 07:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: Do you remember if the example had a pronunciation with it? I added these two pronunciations way back when I inferred pronunciations and when we did not have location labels, and you put the labels afterwards. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Speculation on Etymology
[edit]The normal explanation of the etymology of the word 黃河 is 因多沙而色黃，故稱為「黃河」。[1]. At some point, I started thinking that 黃 doesn't necessarily have to deal with the river's color but instead/could also be related to 炎黃子孫／炎黄子孙 (Yán-Huáng zǐsūn). 黃 might be a tribe/person/etc: this is their/his river. Later/simultaneously the color of that river was "yellow". The main river of the civilization has the same name as the legendary progenitor of that civilization. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC)