Grants talk:Programs

New design

Hey, shoot out to the new design ! It's a clean way to share each grant type's core specifics.

[EDIT:] The recent redesign introduce information in a more efficient, applicants-centered way. It therefore largely depreciates {{Grants}}, which had similar purpose with less elegant design. Three / four programs having de facto roles as support grants are still gathered in {{Grants}} and not visible in Grants:Programs. It is important to point users toward those helpful support resources. How should we proceed ?

The template previously cited here –{{Grants}}–, listing major WMF grants with grant budget, next deadline, who, how, has be supersede by Grants:Programs, Grants:Alternatives, and Grants. The template has therefore been speedy deleted due to obsolescence.

Yug (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Adding other programs ?

@DSaroyan hello, would it be ok to add other programs using the same format ? I could convert the Grants programs above to the new format. From an user-point-of-view, the Google Summer of Code and Outreachy looks like technology grants ; the Alliance fund and Wikimedia France's Micro-fi as well. Yug (talk) 12:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I just noticed you willfully removed the Alliance fund. Is it depreciated ?

Anyway, the code below is my proposal, edit and use what you feel suits. Yug (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Yug, thanks so much for your feedback and requests. I want to confirm that I received and read your messages. I'll talk to my team and let you know what we think next week. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Yug, thanks again for your suggestions and sorry for the delayed reply.

• Alliances Fund - Yes, I confirm that it is no longer active. We will be sending an announcement about it in the upcoming months.
• Other funding programs on the Grants:Programs page - We prefer having only programs supported by the Community Resources on that page, but we are glad to support another page with those additional projects/programs. The reasons we prefer keeping our programs on a separate page are:
  • There are more funding programs than what you mentioned. You can take a look at the Grants page. There are more micro-grants programs supported by many movement affiliates. Adding them on the Programs page with the current format will complicate the page.
  • It will be hard to maintain. Even the Grants page has outdated content. There are also other micro-grants programs by movement affiliates that are not listed even on the Grants page.
  • Some of the projects are not grant programs. For example, Outreachy is an internship program, Google Summer of Code seems to be a learning program with stipends.

As I mentioned, I'll be happy to help with updating Grants or another page. If it helps, I'll also explicitly mention on the Grants:Programs that it only lists programs supported by the Community Resources, and link the page with other grant programs in the movement. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@DSaroyan (WMF) thank you for those answers.

• Alliances Fund: may I encourage your team to declare it closed asap. When open it creates distraction. Also, closed programs needs clearer visuals hints they are closed. The top-of-page blue-grey "Archive" message box is not visible enough.
• For other non-Wikimedia programs I'm moving ahead with Grants:Alternatives. We need Wikimedians contributors like me and others to have the smoothest path possible toward resources, be it WMF, Google or else. This page will be a complement to Grants:Programs. It will specified clearly the scope of both pages. For simplicity sake it will reuse the user-centered updated design of the {{CR Funds Card}}.

Thank you for your answer, it allows agile progress quite quickly. Yug (talk) 11:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Yug thank you!

• Alliances Fund: Of course! I passed it to my team. I'm waiting for the official announcement to mark the program as retired and historical.
• Grants:Alternatives: Go for it! Feel free to reuse {{CR Funds Card}}. I'll make sure to update the Grants:Program with additional details.

DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 12:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

cc DSaroyan

Ok ! So I pushed forward as my usual but I only now noticed there are 10 times more local grants programs than I expected. So yes, you are right, no way to upgrade Grants to the card visuals. I will find a convergence and merge those. Likely remove the WMFR microfi card and merge the GSoC and Outreachy cards into Grants.

• Grants:Programs – WMF programs
• Grants:Alternatives – Tech internship, fit the gap for withdrawn WM Tech fund.
• Grants – disambiguation page with list of local grants, could be forked into Grants:Local if i18n of the wikipage can be migrated.
• {{Grants}} – list table to remove since Cards on Grants:Programs & Grants:Alternatives and the clean table on Grants are clean enough already.

When mature, we can then cross references via wiki links. Yug (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Yug, thank you. There are more micro-funding programs than what is mentioned on Grants. If your plan is to keep Grants:Alternatives only for tech-related programs, then maybe we can change the name to something that reflects this idea? Otherwise, I think "Alternatives" word can be confusing.

Also, as I mentioned above, these projects are not always "funding programs". They are closer to support opportunities/projects or learning programs, than grants. I'm saying this because I wouldn't want to have a page that suggests we have "Other Tech Grants", though what we have are not grant programs. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 09:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikifying the default template

The default grants template doesn't always include wikilinks to the project page about the submitting organization, the project being funded (if applicable), or the userpages of submitters. Is there a natural way to change this default?

Many grants are part of a series for the same project / org. They could use a succession navigation box to help people find the previous/next iteration of same. Ditto for reports. Is there a good example of this being done that could be copied by others? –SJ talk  21:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sj:

• Links to grantee or organization page: This is difficult to do because of several technical challenges. For groups, one of the main challenges is that their legal "grantee" name is often different from their name on Meta-Wiki. For individuals, there is currently no way of separately linking an array of users. We may be able to do it for the main applicant username though, but only for newer grant forms and only for individual grants.
• Links to previous grants: There is currently no way of doing it automatically. I tried to test it through adding a category on the current General Support Fund (i.e. Category:General Support Fund proposals by XYZ). If it is helpful, I can try to explore this option more. But again, it might be difficult to implement on older grant forms and take time. If you need a list of grants by a specific affiliate/organization, let me know and I will be able to create a list for you.

DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 11:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)