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Enable ExtraSignatureNamespaces for all namespaces for dewiki
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Per poll on the German Wikipedia please enable the signature button ($wgExtraSignatureNamespaces) for all namespaces.

Link to the poll: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Umfragen/Unterschriften-Icon_in_Bearbeiten-Werkzeugleiste

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Enable signature button in Portal: on de.wikipediaoperations/mediawiki-configmaster+1 -0
Enable $ExtraSignatureNamespaces for all namespaces for dewikioperations/mediawiki-configmaster+1 -1
Customize query in gerrit

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Raymond created this task.Sep 14 2016, 9:07 AM
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MarcoAurelio claimed this task.Sep 14 2016, 9:11 AM
MarcoAurelio triaged this task as Low priority.Sep 15 2016, 8:37 AM

P4050 Namespaces in de.wikipedia
1{
2 "batchcomplete": "",
3 "query": {
4 "namespaces": {
5 "-2": {
6 "id": -2,
7 "case": "first-letter",
8 "canonical": "Media",
9 "*": "Medium"
10 },
11 "-1": {
12 "id": -1,
13 "case": "first-letter",
14 "canonical": "Special",
15 "*": "Spezial"
16 },
17 "0": {
18 "id": 0,
19 "case": "first-letter",
20 "content": "",
21 "*": ""
22 },
23 "1": {
24 "id": 1,
25 "case": "first-letter",
26 "subpages": "",
27 "canonical": "Talk",
28 "*": "Diskussion"
29 },
30 "2": {
31 "id": 2,
32 "case": "first-letter",
33 "subpages": "",
34 "canonical": "User",
35 "*": "Benutzer"
36 },
37 "3": {
38 "id": 3,
39 "case": "first-letter",
40 "subpages": "",
41 "canonical": "User talk",
42 "*": "Benutzer Diskussion"
43 },
44 "4": {
45 "id": 4,
46 "case": "first-letter",
47 "subpages": "",
48 "canonical": "Project",
49 "*": "Wikipedia"
50 },
51 "5": {
52 "id": 5,
53 "case": "first-letter",
54 "subpages": "",
55 "canonical": "Project talk",
56 "*": "Wikipedia Diskussion"
57 },
58 "6": {
59 "id": 6,
60 "case": "first-letter",
61 "canonical": "File",
62 "*": "Datei"
63 },
64 "7": {
65 "id": 7,
66 "case": "first-letter",
67 "subpages": "",
68 "canonical": "File talk",
69 "*": "Datei Diskussion"
70 },
71 "8": {
72 "id": 8,
73 "case": "first-letter",
74 "canonical": "MediaWiki",
75 "*": "MediaWiki"
76 },
77 "9": {
78 "id": 9,
79 "case": "first-letter",
80 "subpages": "",
81 "canonical": "MediaWiki talk",
82 "*": "MediaWiki Diskussion"
83 },
84 "10": {
85 "id": 10,
86 "case": "first-letter",
87 "canonical": "Template",
88 "*": "Vorlage"
89 },
90 "11": {
91 "id": 11,
92 "case": "first-letter",
93 "subpages": "",
94 "canonical": "Template talk",
95 "*": "Vorlage Diskussion"
96 },
97 "12": {
98 "id": 12,
99 "case": "first-letter",
100 "subpages": "",
101 "canonical": "Help",
102 "*": "Hilfe"
103 },
104 "13": {
105 "id": 13,
106 "case": "first-letter",
107 "subpages": "",
108 "canonical": "Help talk",
109 "*": "Hilfe Diskussion"
110 },
111 "14": {
112 "id": 14,
113 "case": "first-letter",
114 "subpages": "",
115 "canonical": "Category",
116 "*": "Kategorie"
117 },
118 "15": {
119 "id": 15,
120 "case": "first-letter",
121 "subpages": "",
122 "canonical": "Category talk",
123 "*": "Kategorie Diskussion"
124 },
125 "100": {
126 "id": 100,
127 "case": "first-letter",
128 "subpages": "",
129 "canonical": "Portal",
130 "*": "Portal"
131 },
132 "101": {
133 "id": 101,
134 "case": "first-letter",
135 "subpages": "",
136 "canonical": "Portal Diskussion",
137 "*": "Portal Diskussion"
138 },
139 "828": {
140 "id": 828,
141 "case": "first-letter",
142 "subpages": "",
143 "canonical": "Module",
144 "*": "Modul"
145 },
146 "829": {
147 "id": 829,
148 "case": "first-letter",
149 "subpages": "",
150 "canonical": "Module talk",
151 "*": "Modul Diskussion"
152 },
153 "2300": {
154 "id": 2300,
155 "case": "first-letter",
156 "canonical": "Gadget",
157 "*": "Gadget"
158 },
159 "2301": {
160 "id": 2301,
161 "case": "first-letter",
162 "canonical": "Gadget talk",
163 "*": "Gadget Diskussion"
164 },
165 "2302": {
166 "id": 2302,
167 "case": "case-sensitive",
168 "canonical": "Gadget definition",
169 "defaultcontentmodel": "GadgetDefinition",
170 "*": "Gadget-Definition"
171 },
172 "2303": {
173 "id": 2303,
174 "case": "case-sensitive",
175 "canonical": "Gadget definition talk",
176 "*": "Gadget-Definition Diskussion"
177 },
178 "2600": {
179 "id": 2600,
180 "case": "first-letter",
181 "canonical": "Topic",
182 "defaultcontentmodel": "flow-board",
183 "*": "Thema"
184 }
185 }
186 }
187}

I think we can exclude Module and Gadgets namespaces as those are suposed to host code, not wikitext. Also, do I need to skip the namespaces where there's already a signature button enabled?

MarcoAurelio moved this task from Backlog to Analysis / under discussion on the Wikimedia-Site-requests board.Sep 15 2016, 8:38 AM
gerritbot subscribed.Sep 15 2016, 11:20 AM

Change 310802 had a related patch set (by MarcoAurelio) published:
Enable $ExtraSignatureNamespaces for all namespaces for dewiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/310802

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Sep 15 2016, 11:20 AM
Jdforrester-WMF subscribed.Sep 16 2016, 4:24 PM

This is exactly the reason I was worried about creating this configuration option in the first place. :-(

MarcoAurelio added a comment.Sep 17 2016, 10:07 AM
In T145619#2643922, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

This is exactly the reason I was worried about creating this configuration option in the first place. :-(

Hi James. Sorry but I don't understand your comment. Can you please clarify? What is exactly worrying you? Did I something wrong? Regards.

Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Sep 19 2016, 5:59 PM
In T145619#2645446, @MarcoAurelio wrote:
In T145619#2643922, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

This is exactly the reason I was worried about creating this configuration option in the first place. :-(

Hi James. Sorry but I don't understand your comment. Can you please clarify? What is exactly worrying you? Did I something wrong? Regards.

The problem is not with your code, but the request. Adding (enabled) buttons to the interface in inappropriate contexts, and so luring new users into pressing it and getting shouted at, is a profound problem in MediaWiki, and instead of improving the situation, this makes it worse.

Raymond added a comment.Sep 19 2016, 6:10 PM
In T145619#2649512, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:
In T145619#2645446, @MarcoAurelio wrote:
In T145619#2643922, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

This is exactly the reason I was worried about creating this configuration option in the first place. :-(

Hi James. Sorry but I don't understand your comment. Can you please clarify? What is exactly worrying you? Did I something wrong? Regards.

The problem is not with your code, but the request. Adding (enabled) buttons to the interface in inappropriate contexts, and so luring new users into pressing it and getting shouted at, is a profound problem in MediaWiki, and instead of improving the situation, this makes it worse.

The German community wants this feature because they like to use the button to sign deletion requests etc...

Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Sep 19 2016, 6:17 PM
In T145619#2649565, @Raymond wrote:
In T145619#2649512, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:
In T145619#2645446, @MarcoAurelio wrote:
In T145619#2643922, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

This is exactly the reason I was worried about creating this configuration option in the first place. :-(

Hi James. Sorry but I don't understand your comment. Can you please clarify? What is exactly worrying you? Did I something wrong? Regards.

The problem is not with your code, but the request. Adding (enabled) buttons to the interface in inappropriate contexts, and so luring new users into pressing it and getting shouted at, is a profound problem in MediaWiki, and instead of improving the situation, this makes it worse.

The German community wants this feature because they like to use the button to sign deletion requests etc...

Oh, I understand that they've created an on-page workflow that needs it, but quick hacks to provide bad interfaces instead of proper workflow management for deletions (or whatever else) is what's needed here.

Schnark subscribed.Sep 22 2016, 8:03 AM

Disclaimer: I voted in that poll, my views are biased.

It's not really clear how that poll should be evaluated. There weren't given rules for evaluation in advance, and the option "enable in all namespaces" wasn't the only one in this poll. While it is true that this option received the most votes in pro, it also received the most votes contra, making the option "enable in Portal namespace" the one with highest approval.

Also the currently proposed patch doesn't fully implement the option "enable in all namespaces". While for the namespaces left out in the patch rationals are given, this contradicts some of the comments the voters in favor gave: Several users expressed their view that the edit toolbar should exactly be the same in all namespaces. Whether or not this is a sensible argument, when you ignore it in the patch, you should also ignore these votes, weakening the support for enabling the signature button on all namespaces.

Enabling the signature in Portal namespace (NS 100) will probably make many users happy, be agreeable by James Forrester, and be in line with the poll. But again, I voted in that poll, my views are biases. If you want to interpret the poll in this way be sure to give your own rational and don't rely solely on my comment here.

MarcoAurelio reassigned this task from MarcoAurelio to Jdforrester-WMF.Sep 29 2016, 8:33 AM
MarcoAurelio subscribed.

Reasigning to you James, since you better understand how that works and can probably offer better support.

gerritbot added a comment.Oct 10 2016, 2:40 PM

Change 310802 abandoned by MarcoAurelio:
Enable $ExtraSignatureNamespaces for all namespaces for dewiki

Reason:
Not working on that Task anymore and James has concerns with this. Better if somebody else sorts this out.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/310802

MarcoAurelio removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Oct 10 2016, 2:41 PM
Dereckson subscribed.Oct 10 2016, 4:41 PM

I like the idea to enable it to Portal first, then ask the community again, attracting their attention to James comments about offer the button in places it shouldn't be.

Portal: is safe as confirmed users, who already know we don't put a signature everywhere, are the mainly ones to contribute to it.

gerritbot added a comment.Oct 10 2016, 4:48 PM

Change 315119 had a related patch set uploaded (by Dereckson):
Enable signature button in Portal: on de.wikipedia

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/315119

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Oct 10 2016, 4:48 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Jan 11 2017, 9:21 PM

Change 315119 merged by jenkins-bot:
Enable signature button in Portal: on de.wikipedia

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/315119

Jdforrester-WMF removed Jdforrester-WMF as the assignee of this task.Jan 15 2020, 6:27 PM
Jdforrester-WMF added a project: Community-consensus-needed.

I'm not currently working on this. I think it needs further community discussion.

CptViraj moved this task from Unsorted to Single wikis on the Community-consensus-needed board.May 24 2020, 6:30 AM
Pppery removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Mar 29 2023, 12:10 AM
Pppery changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Oct 20 2024, 2:23 AM
Pppery moved this task from Analysis / under discussion to Blocked on community consensus on the Wikimedia-Site-requests board.
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