Make New Topic Tool (desktop) available as opt-out feature at all wikis
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	Feb 19 2021, 11:43 PM

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Deployment phases

Below are the phases in which we *plan* to offer the New Discussion Tool as an opt-out feature at all projects. As with all deployments, this plan could change depending on what emerges in the conversations with volunteers at these projects.

Phase	Projects	Deployment ticket
Phase 1	Wikipedias: Arabic and Czech (T280390)	✅ T285724
Phase 2	Wikipedias that participated in the A/B test (list in T281533)	✅ T307410
Phase 3	Remaining small-to-medium Wikipedias, plus all single-language non-Wikipedias (e.g., the Wikiquotes and Wikivoyages) – not enwiki, dewiki, ruwiki, fiwiki	✅ T309368
Phase 4	All multi-lingual projects (e.g., Commons and Wikidata). (Result: all WMF-hosted wikis except enwiki, dewiki, ruwiki, fiwiki	✅ T310392
Phase 5	English Wikipedia	✅ T311023
Phase 6	German Wikipedia (Result: all WMF-hosted wikis except ruwiki, fiwiki)	✅ T313699
Phase 7	ru.wiki and fi.wiki	ru.wiki: ✅ T297410; fi.wiki: ✅ T317375

As of 24 July 2022, the Finnish and Russian-language Wikipedias still didn't have the Reply Tool which blocks the deployment of the New Topic Tool. As of September 2022, both had the Reply tool, and Russian had the New Topic Tool.

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Status	Subtype	Assigned	Task
Open		None	T276497 Scale DiscussionTools to all projects
Open		None	T251207 [Epic] Scale DiscussionTools to all Wikipedias
Open		None	T233446 [Epic] New Discussion Tool
Resolved		None	T275256 Make New Topic Tool (desktop) available as opt-out feature at all wikis
Resolved		• LZaman	T271964 [Release ticket] Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis
Resolved		matmarex	T272077 Enable the New Discussion Tool as an opt-out setting on Beta Cluster
Resolved		ppelberg	T269471 Make New Discussion Tool available as Beta Feature at partner wikis
Resolved		matmarex	T264220 Determine and implement new discussion tool interface copy
Resolved		matmarex	T273944 Adjust Discussion Tools' edit summary interface message
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T270119 Create a setting for the New Discussion Tool in Special:Preferences
Resolved		Esanders	T270120 Revise existing Discussion tools Beta Feature
Resolved		Esanders	T270121 Always show Reply Tool preference in Special:Preferences when Discussion Tools Beta Feature is enabled
Invalid		None	T270539 Automatically populate the edit summary field
Duplicate		None	T270685 Ensure the New Discussion Tool defaults to the correct text input mode
Resolved		ppelberg	T265099 Differentiate between events emitted from the Reply Tool and the New Discussion Tool
Resolved		ppelberg	T270794 Publish Junior and Senior Contributor usability test findings on mediawiki.org
Resolved		ppelberg	T269486 Determine what – if any – new events need to be added to the existing section=new workflow
Resolved		ppelberg	T272076 Enable the New Discussion Tool as a beta feature on Beta Cluster
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T272200 Pre-deployment regression testing
Resolved		ppelberg	T272544 Differentiate between edits to existing sections and the creation of new sections
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T273077 Publicize availability of New Discussion Tool as beta feature
Resolved		matmarex	T273145 Deploy config change to make New Discussion Tool available as beta feature
Resolved		matmarex	T272922 Logged out users get an error instead of a CAPTCHA in DiscussionTools
Resolved		ppelberg	T272657 [SPIKE] What % of talk pages have not yet been created?
Resolved		• iamjessklein	T269285 Implement title field validation
Resolved		ppelberg	T272545 New Discussion Tool does not open if you have Reply Tool open from before.
Resolved		matmarex	T272543 The feedback message around the title field validation should disappear after adding a topic name
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T270531 Update Talk pages project/Feature summary
Resolved		ppelberg	T273946 Adjust Discussion Tools' sampling rates
Resolved		ppelberg	T276495 The New discussion tool does not work from history
Resolved		ppelberg	T263053 New Discussion Tool: calculate adoption metrics
			Restricted Task
Resolved		Esanders	T279400 Make the feedback link for New Discussion tool point to the project page about the New Discussion tool (not the Reply tool)
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T280389 Announce the New Discussion Tool opt-out deployment at partner wikis
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T284259 Update DiscussionTools help documentation
Resolved		DLynch	T285578 Introduce way to suppress discussiontools features on a per-view basis
Resolved		matmarex	T285724 Deploy config change to make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out at partner wikis
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T280390 Determine first set of Wikipedias where New Discussion Tool will be offered as opt-out
Resolved		ppelberg	T285726 Pre-deployment regression testing (New Discussion Tool)
Resolved		matmarex	T282205 Support links for starting a new topic on a page different from the one you are currently on
Resolved		matmarex	T277371 Take over gadgets/templates which create additional links to "Add a new topic"
Resolved		DLynch	T288314 Empty state shown briefly when posting a new topic
Resolved		matmarex	T288316 Closing New Discussion Tool requires you to click "Cancel" twice (on pages too short to be scrollable)
Resolved		DLynch	T288317 Talk page empty state appearing in project namespace
Resolved		DLynch	T287779 Create empty state mockups for user talk pages (logged out)
Resolved		DLynch	T288556 Create empty state mockups for own user talk page (logged out)
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T288267 Page tabs act funny when using new topic tool on a non-existent page
Resolved		ppelberg	T289354 Double deletion log in New Discussion Tool
Resolved		ppelberg	T275257 Offer New Discussion Tool as Beta Feature at all Wikipedias
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T275813 Post-deployment QA (New Discussion Tool)
Resolved		matmarex	T275827 Deploy config change to scale New Discussion Tool's availability as a beta feature
Resolved		Esanders	T275923 Pressing "cancel" on an empty new topic widget triggers the title validation and doesn't close the widget
Resolved		matmarex	T276967 Turn off Reply Tool A/B test
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T275828 Make volunteers aware of New Discussion Tool's availability as beta feature
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T275830 Verify integrity of New Discussion Tool edits at ar, cs and hu.wiki
Resolved		ppelberg	T273082 Offer Reply and New Discussion Tools as Beta Features at "Phase 4" Wikipedias.
Resolved		matmarex	T273146 Make the Reply and New Discussion Tools available as opt-in Beta Features at en.wiki
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T273147 Consult with volunteers at en.wiki about offering the Reply Tool as a Beta Feature
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T273233 Update en.wiki Talk pages project page
Resolved		matmarex	T276493 Make the Reply Tool and New Discussion Tools available as opt-in Beta Features at ru.wiki
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T275255 Consult with volunteers at ru.wiki about offering the Reply Tool as a Beta Feature
Resolved		matmarex	T276494 Make the Reply and New Discussion Tools available as Beta Features at de.wiki
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T275254 Consult with volunteers at de.wiki about offering the Reply Tool as a Beta Feature
Duplicate		None	T277506 Enable New Discussion Tool as opt-out setting at office.wiki
Declined		MNeisler	T263054 New Discussion Tool: calculate workflow engagement metrics
Resolved		matmarex	T285117 Add support for the InputBox extension
Resolved		Urbanecm_WMF	T269310 Add support for preloaded text
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T269033 Add edit notice element to New Discussion Tool
Resolved		ppelberg	T270454 Implement edit notice logic
Resolved		Esanders	T272188 VE API: Return structured information about edit notices so they can be filtered by clients
Resolved		None	T272656 Solicit feedback from page maintainers about preload opt-in approach
Resolved		None	T270797 Create way for individual pages to opt-in to using the New Discussion Tool for preloads
Resolved		ppelberg	T274746 Create an easy way to link people to an open New Discussion Tool
Resolved		ppelberg	T282204 Handle URLs for starting new sections
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T287804 Create deployment plan for scaling New Topic Tool as opt-out at all projects
Resolved		matmarex	T287901 Revise empty Title field warning message display logic
Resolved		matmarex	T288319 "Start a discussion" empty state message should not appear on empty talk pages when corresponding page (or user) doesn't exist
Resolved		ppelberg	T290517 [Release Ticket] Introduce New Topic Tool (desktop) as opt-out at A/B test wikis
Resolved		mpopov	T277825 Run A/B test to evaluate impact of New Topic Tool
Resolved		MNeisler	T290204 [SPIKE] Estimate New Discussion Tool A/B Test Feasibility
Resolved		DLynch	T291308 Make config change to start New Discussion Tool A/B Test
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T291306 Identify wikis for New Discussion Tool A/B test
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T291307 Implement New Discussion Tool A/B test bucketing
Resolved		ppelberg	T291536 [SPIKE] How can we ensure that we are able to identify and distinguish prior users of the New Discussion Tool in the AB test?
Resolved		ppelberg	T292120 [SPIKE] Determine how we can identify blocked save attempts
Resolved		DLynch	T293962 Introduce a "hint" that informs people how they can enable the legacy section=new experience
Resolved		ppelberg	T294491 [SPIKE] How many people have turned off the New Discussion Tool since it's been available as a Beta Feature
Resolved		DLynch	T294167 Implement way to identify people who have opened the New Discussion Tool before
Resolved		ppelberg	T297847 Ensure New Discussion Tool Hint Is Fully Translated
Resolved		ppelberg	T301496 Add distinct event to talk_page_edit for when a new section is added
Resolved		matmarex	T288741 Talk Page Empty State: write English copy for translation
Resolved	BUG REPORT	matmarex	T291085 redlink=1 not respected in zhwiki
Resolved		ppelberg	T291535 Inform participating wikis of start of New Discussion Tool A/B Test
Resolved		DLynch	T291873 Deploy config change to "turn off" New Discussion Tool A/B test
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T295098 [SPIKE] What – if any – reactions have people had to the start of the New Discussion Tool A/B test?
Resolved		ppelberg	T297714 [SPIKE] What is the makeup of people who have adjusted the state of the Discussion tools beta feature?
Resolved	Spike	MNeisler	T301495 [SPIKE] Investigate what init type is associated with the sessions where a ready event is being emitted, but an anonymous user token is not being logged
Resolved		ppelberg	T301497 Ensure the A/B test bucket is logged when a logged out user edits a full page in wikitext
Resolved		DLynch	T301499 [SPIKE] What could be causing a ready event to be emitted, but an anonymous user token NOT to be logged
Resolved		• Whatamidoing-WMF	T304658 Announce New Topic Tool A/B test findings to wikis participating in test
Resolved		ppelberg	T306481 Add more granular experience level buckets to New Topic Tool A/B test report
Declined		MNeisler	T306579 Investigate rate at which Senior Contributors abandon New Topic Tool edits
Resolved		DLynch	T307410 [Config Change] Enable the New Topic Tool as opt-out at A/B test wikis
Declined		None	T295097 [Communications] Ensure Senior Contributors are aware of the New Discussion Tool being made available as opt-out
Resolved		ppelberg	T309368 [Config Change] Enable New Topic Tool as opt-out at Phase 3 wikis (desktop)
Declined		None	T309369 Inform volunteers at Phase 3 wikis of upcoming New Topic Tool (desktop) deployment
Resolved		matmarex	T297990 Clarify how the "Enable quick topic adding" setting affects creating new talk pages (separate setting?)
Resolved		matmarex	T310392 [Config Change] Enable New Topic Tool as opt-out at Phase 4 wikis (desktop)
Resolved		Frostly	T297974 "Title" is unclear, and should probably say "Subject" or "Topic" instead
Resolved		matmarex	T311023 Enable new topic tool by default on enwiki
Resolved		Ryasmeen	T313699 [Config Change] Enable New Topic Tool as opt-out at de.wiki (desktop)

Event Timeline

ppelberg created this task.Feb 19 2021, 11:43 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: T271964: [Release ticket] Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis.

ppelberg moved this task from Backlog to Triaged on the DiscussionTools board.Feb 23 2021, 4:51 PM

whym unsubscribed.Mar 9 2021, 12:44 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: T263054: New Discussion Tool: calculate workflow engagement metrics .Mar 18 2021, 11:17 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: Restricted Task.Mar 31 2021, 4:25 AM

ppelberg closed subtask T275257: Offer New Discussion Tool as Beta Feature at all Wikipedias as Resolved.Mar 31 2021, 4:38 AM

tstarling closed subtask Restricted Task as Invalid.Apr 8 2021, 10:18 PM

Esanders mentioned this in T280599: Reduce DiscussionTools' usage of the parser cache.Apr 20 2021, 6:20 PM

ppelberg added a parent task: T233446: [Epic] New Discussion Tool.May 12 2021, 2:52 AM

ppelberg added a subtask: T285117: Add support for the InputBox extension.Jun 18 2021, 12:02 AM

ppelberg moved this task from Untriaged to Larger Strategic Things on the Editing-team board.Jun 28 2021, 7:38 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: T269310: Add support for preloaded text .Jun 28 2021, 10:41 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: T274746: Create an easy way to link people to an open New Discussion Tool.Jun 29 2021, 4:40 PM

Jack_who_built_the_house mentioned this in T259864: Enable Reply Tool to adapt to indentation syntax used at ru.wiki.Jul 21 2021, 12:09 AM

ppelberg edited projects, added Editing-team (Kanban Board); removed Editing-team.Jul 21 2021, 12:11 AM

ppelberg moved this task from Incoming to Main quests on the Editing-team (Kanban Board) board.

ppelberg added a subtask: T287901: Revise empty Title field warning message display logic.Aug 2 2021, 6:15 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: T270788: Introduce a "feature peek" for the New Discussion Tool.Aug 6 2021, 10:19 PM

ppelberg added a subtask: T288319: "Start a discussion" empty state message should not appear on empty talk pages when corresponding page (or user) doesn't exist.Aug 12 2021, 12:04 AM

ppelberg closed subtask T274746: Create an easy way to link people to an open New Discussion Tool as Resolved.Aug 25 2021, 12:28 AM

ppelberg closed subtask T287901: Revise empty Title field warning message display logic as Resolved.Sep 4 2021, 12:31 AM

ppelberg mentioned this in T277825: Run A/B test to evaluate impact of New Topic Tool.Sep 17 2021, 10:38 PM

ppelberg removed a subtask: T270788: Introduce a "feature peek" for the New Discussion Tool.Sep 18 2021, 12:44 AM

• LZaman changed the status of subtask T271964: [Release ticket] Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis from Open to In Progress.Sep 21 2021, 9:19 PM

ppelberg closed subtask T271964: [Release ticket] Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis as Resolved.Oct 16 2021, 1:02 AM

ppelberg closed subtask T263054: New Discussion Tool: calculate workflow engagement metrics as Declined.Oct 20 2021, 8:08 PM

ppelberg mentioned this in T295098: [SPIKE] What – if any – reactions have people had to the start of the New Discussion Tool A/B test?.Nov 4 2021, 11:57 PM

ppelberg edited projects, added Editing-team; removed Editing-team (Kanban Board).Nov 19 2021, 8:18 PM

ppelberg moved this task from Larger Strategic Things to This Fiscal Year on the Editing-team board.

ppelberg mentioned this in T297760: Disable the New Discussion Tool Hint.Dec 14 2021, 10:41 PM

ppelberg renamed this task from Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at all wikis to Make New Discussion Tool (desktop) available as opt-out feature at all wikis.Jan 21 2022, 8:07 PM

ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)

ppelberg renamed this task from Make New Discussion Tool (desktop) available as opt-out feature at all wikis to Make New Topic Tool (desktop) available as opt-out feature at all wikis.Mar 24 2022, 12:21 AM

ppelberg removed a subtask: T277825: Run A/B test to evaluate impact of New Topic Tool.

matmarex added a subtask: T297990: Clarify how the "Enable quick topic adding" setting affects creating new talk pages (separate setting?).May 11 2022, 11:29 PM

• Whatamidoing-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)May 24 2022, 4:45 PM

ppelberg closed subtask T290517: [Release Ticket] Introduce New Topic Tool (desktop) as opt-out at A/B test wikis as Resolved.May 27 2022, 1:04 AM

matmarex updated the task description. (Show Details)May 31 2022, 10:04 PM

ppelberg removed a subtask: T297990: Clarify how the "Enable quick topic adding" setting affects creating new talk pages (separate setting?).Jun 1 2022, 10:48 PM

ppelberg closed subtask T309368: [Config Change] Enable New Topic Tool as opt-out at Phase 3 wikis (desktop) as Resolved.Jun 14 2022, 5:28 PM

ppelberg mentioned this in T310215: Some English Wikipedia templates with signatures in the middle don't work well with reply and new topic tool.Jun 16 2022, 3:19 PM

VPuffetMichel added a subtask: T310215: Some English Wikipedia templates with signatures in the middle don't work well with reply and new topic tool.Jun 16 2022, 6:26 PM

0xDeadbeef subscribed.Jun 21 2022, 1:36 AM

0xDeadbeef added a subtask: T311023: Enable new topic tool by default on enwiki.Jun 21 2022, 1:55 AM

ppelberg closed subtask T311023: Enable new topic tool by default on enwiki as Resolved.Jul 8 2022, 12:52 AM