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Accademia delle Scienze di Torino ID
identifier for a member of Accademia delle Scienze di Torino

Associated item	Academy of Sciences of Turin (Q2822396)
Applicable "stated in" value	www.accademiadellescienze.it (Q107212659)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[A-Za-z]+([-_]([A-Za-z0-9]+))*
Example	Nicola Abbagnano (Q315251) → nicola-abbagnano Vera Comoli Mandracci (Q59630298) → vera-comoli Jean Perrin (Q134085) → jean-perrin
Source	https://www.accademiadellescienze.it/soci
Formatter URL	https://www.accademiadellescienze.it/accademia/soci/$1
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P8153 (Q110877613)
Related to country	Italy (Q38) (See 402 others)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 7,895 Main statement 3,039 out of 3,035 (100% complete) 38.5% of uses Qualifier 4 <0.1% of uses Reference 4,852 61.5% of uses
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Format “[A-Za-z]+([-_]([A-Za-z0-9]+))*”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Type “human (Q5)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Type Q5, SPARQL

Item “member of (P463): Academy of Sciences of Turin (Q2822396)”: Items with this property should also have “member of (P463): Academy of Sciences of Turin (Q2822396)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Item P463, search, SPARQL

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Scope, SPARQL

Item “date of birth (P569)”: Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Item P569, SPARQL

Label required in languages: it: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: it (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8153#Label in 'it' language, search, SPARQL

Multiple problems in recent import

@Francesca Melano (TOAS), Marcok: Between yesterday and today a big import of data from this property has involved date of birth (P569), date of death (P570), place of birth (P19), place of death (P20), member of (P463)Academy of Sciences of Turin (Q2822396) in hundreds of items. I have unfortunately noticed the following problems (I report some items already cleaned as examples, please look for the problems in their page histories):

1. evident errors in date of birth (P569) due to exchange month-day (e.g. François Just Marie Raynouard (Q769608), Giovanni Battista Rizzo (Q61481670)) - the error regarding batch 46621 was noticed where; the batch was stopped when QuickStatements stopped working yesterday, and is still freezed as all the other batches (I fear that it may continue working when the batches will be un-freezed); anyway, also the batch reverting it (this) is freezed and I'm not sure if/when it will be un-freezed, so many evident errors are still present in the items
2. evident errors in all properties probably due to errors in Mix'n'match catalog (e.g. Cesare Balbo (Q1056738), Prospero Balbo (Q2508253))
3. evident errors in all properties for non-easily explainable reasons (e.g. Joseph Calasanza von Arneth (Q78777))
4. duplication, or worse, or references in all properties (e.g. Silvio Lippi (Q94586689), Friedrich Wieseler (Q91993), Ambrogio Viale (Q94579012)) - certainly it is due to this issue I've just described in a Phabricator ticket; however, it would have been possible through a query finding all the statements already having a reference using P8153 and excluding them from the addition of the new reference
   1. some cases of duplication are also due to the presence of previous references with reference URL (P854) instead of P8153 (e.g. Fedele Savio (Q60515697)); see query
   2. some additional cases of duplication, particularly the duplicate reference to date of death (P570) (e.g. Jakob II Bernoulli (Q123982)), may be due to a known problem of QuickStatements
   3. there were about 30 cases in which the ID in the reference didn't correspond with the main ID (query); I have cleaned them manually
5. (addition) evident errors in all properties in the value of stated in (P248) for non-easily explainable reasons (e.g. Louis Agassiz (Q122972))
6. (addition) evident errors in the values of place of birth (P19)/place of death (P20) for non-easily explainable reasons (e.g. Johan Christian Fabricius (Q156205))
7. (addition) evident errors in the values of place of birth (P19)/place of death (P20) due to wrong reconciliations of homonym places (e.g. Karl von Moll (Q913253))
8. (addition) evident errors in the values of the qualifier start time (P580) of member of (P463)Academy of Sciences of Turin (Q2822396), maybe due to a QuickStatements error (e.g. François Daviet de Foncenex (Q15603987))
9. (addition) evident errors in the values of date of birth (P569)/date of death (P570): if AST has a value with "month" or "year" precision, a false value with "day" precision (often some day of 1905) gets added (e.g. Giulio Fenoglio (Q93269735), Eugène Gley (Q3059895))
10. (addition) duplication of values with precision "year" in date of birth (P569)/date of death (P570), due to a known QuickStatements error (e.g. Pietro Giacinto Garassini (Q63349127))

Whilst data from Academy of Sciences of Turin (Q2822396) are extremely valuable for the improvement of Wikidata items, the evident errors of points 1 2 3 can be seriously damaging (while 4 is disappointing but not damaging stricto sensu). It is difficult to evaluate the extent of the errors, but as far as I have seen correcting tens of items it would better checking items one by one, at least quickly. Could you confirm you will be doing it in the next days? Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Epìdosis:. I and @Elisa Tealdi (TOAS): are actually working to fix the problems in the entities (not a lot in %, but there are) where there are different dates/places between Wikidata sources and Accademia DB. We think we can finish within 2 weeks. Unfortunately we dont't have an easy solution for the references issues (apart from fixing them manually), as we are using QuickStatements and it's limited in this. Could you help us in asking for a bot for this? Thank you. --Marco Chemello (TOAS) (talk) 10:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

@Marco Chemello (TOAS): OK, bot request done: Wikidata:Bot_requests#Accademia_delle_Scienze_di_Torino_multiple_references. --Epìdosis 11:58, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

@Elisa Tealdi (TOAS), Marco Chemello (TOAS): Chiedo inoltre che vengano controllati tutti i seguenti casi uno per uno, verosimilmente si tratta di correggere nel sito AST (e, se si sceglie di correggere, la dichiarazione va poi eliminata da Wikidata):

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?ast ?msLabel
WHERE {
 ?item wdt:P8153 ?ast .
 ?item p:P569 ?st .
 ?st wikibase:rank wikibase:DeprecatedRank .
 ?st prov:wasDerivedFrom ?ref .
 ?ref pr:P248 wd:Q2822396 .
 OPTIONAL { ?st pq:P2241 ?ms . }
 SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "it". }
}

Try it!

La medesima query va ripetuta sostituendo a date of birth (P569) uno per volta date of death (P570), place of birth (P19), place of death (P20). Al contempo vi ringrazio per il lavoro di pulizia che sto vedendo svolto in questi giorni :-) --Epìdosis 18:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Grazie @Epìdosis: il tuo suggerimento mi rende molto più facile e veloce l'individuazione delle correzioni da fare. Sto consegnando via via l'elenco delle modifiche a chi se ne occupa in Accademia e verranno corretti e aggiornati i dati anche sul sito. --Elisa Tealdi (TOAS) (talk) 07:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Alcune query

• Donne tra i membri dell'Accademia: https://w.wiki/4$Sw (lista)
• Paesi di cittadinanza dei membri dell'Accademia: https://w.wiki/4$UT (grafico)
• Paesi di nascita dei membri dell'Accademia: https://w.wiki/4$Uq (grafico)
• Membri dell'Accademia vincitori di premi: https://w.wiki/4$UU (lista) e https://w.wiki/4$UW (grafico)
• Occupazioni dei membri dell'Accademia: https://w.wiki/4$UZ (lista) e https://w.wiki/4$UY (grafico)
• Longevità dei membri dell'Accademia: https://w.wiki/4$Up (lista che considera le persone defunte di cui siano noti l'anno di nascita e l'anno di morte)

--Epìdosis 18:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)