User:Marsupium/Notes
paintings depicting diseases: http://tinyurl.com/grz4fgl
: make more general for (visual) art and groups
TODOs
[edit]Unify WPVA/WPSOAP discussion pages
[edit]- post at place with wide audience, mention PKM cuz of Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Questions#Proposal to unite our discussions on one page something like "(((@PKM and everyone else interested:))) Hey again! I guess the pages that are expected to be the main discussion forums are the talk pages of the WikiProjects, for our case …"
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Wikidata talk:WikiProject sum of all paintings | ??? | ??? | 95 |
Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure | ??? | ??? | 50 |
Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts | ??? | ??? | 47 |
Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Questions | ??? | ??? | <30 |
xxxxx | ??? | ??? | ??? |
xxxxx | ??? | ??? | ??? |
Proposal:
- archive stuff?
- remove Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Questions from Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Tabs
Other
[edit]- improve Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure
- add visual arts specific examples (and descriptions) to Talk:Q8205328/class
- applies to part, aspect, or form (P518): many cases and documentation at Property talk:P518 and at Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure:
- applies to part, aspect, or form (P518): right (Q14565199) and right part (Q17525442) in the range at Diptych of Munich (Q9213727)
- Diptych of Munich (Q9213727)inventory number (P217)"1401"
applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)outside left needed
- create Mix'n'match for:
- Done archINFORM
- (at least partially Done) AKLONLINE
- Getty IA into Mix'n'match ( Done with mixnmatch:2676 but outdated as of 2021-09-23)
- Done Archnet site ID (P7323): mixnmatch:6299 and Archnet authority ID (P12728): mixnmatch:6300
- fix scraping Mix'n'match catalogs to find all records, add Archnet authority ID (P12728) to mixnmatch:6300, ask at Topic:Y3rkye3gewp2iik4
- ArchDaily architecture office ID (P12364)
- Global Egyptian Museum ID (P12732)
- Historic Synagogues of Europe ID (P12733)
- baukunst-nrw ID (property yet to be proposed and created)
- add links to some item from https://www.ifao.egnet.net/bases/cachette/ck53?mus=Luxor,%20Egyptian%20Museum, maybe more
- improve Wikidata:WikiProject Africa/African museums#Egypt etc.
- set up Wikidata:Zotero another time
- help improve documentation starting from Property talk:P793#Most common uses of P793 for buildings / architectural structures
- Property talk:P186#Conflicts with constraints
- add carbon footprint (P5991) (and maybe water footprint (P6000) etc.) from Ecological footprints of food and dishes in Germany (Q100250898) like at Q89#P5991
- Topic:Uzs654c1hz271tj1: sync moveSourceToQualifier jobs and property scope constraint (Q53869507)
- query for part of the problem of User talk:Multichill#Yale labels
- User talk:Arch2all#Q3953219 - archinfo: fix (cf. also Wikidata talk:WikiProject Museums#Museum as organization vs. Museum as location)
- slurp kubikat (Q63958929) (LOD: http://kubikat.atcult.it/kubikat/clusters), Getty thing, regesta-imperii-opac, L'Année philologique (Q749828) etc. to scholarly articles, put this to Wikidata:WikiProject Source MetaData/ToDo? check out also https://artlibraries.on.worldcat.org/
- TODO: items for https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/bha/index.html, already there?
- check this out: https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/provenance/search.html, https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/provenance/provenance_remodel/index.html, https://github.com/thegetty/provenance-index-csv
- correct pattern for Property talk:P1257 (should be Done with [1])
- places in the Occupied Territories etc. (rough query follows); should we get a property "locality code"? (http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Downloads/book578.pdf, p. 13; http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Downloads/book508.pdf, p. 10): Try it!
SELECT DISTINCT ?human_settlement ?human_settlementLabel ?instance_of ?instance_ofLabel ?country ?countryLabel ?population ?located_in_the_administrative_territorial_entity ?located_in_the_administrative_territorial_entityLabel WHERE { SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } ?human_settlement (wdt:P31/wdt:P279*) wd:Q486972. { ?human_settlement wdt:P17 wd:Q407199. } UNION { ?human_settlement wdt:P17 wd:Q219060. } OPTIONAL { ?human_settlement wdt:P31 ?instance_of. } OPTIONAL { ?human_settlement wdt:P17 ?country. } OPTIONAL { ?human_settlement wdt:P1082 ?population. } OPTIONAL { ?human_settlement wdt:P131 ?located_in_the_administrative_territorial_entity. } } LIMIT 1000
- open discussions
- Talk:portrait (Q134307)#inconsistency in the statements
- Wikidata talk:Wiki import task force/dewiki#Inselgruppe
- continue with Basilica San Giovanni in Laterano (Q15117703) and so on: Try it!
SELECT ?Staatsgalerie_Altdeutsche_Meister ?Staatsgalerie_Altdeutsche_MeisterLabel WHERE { SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],de,en". } ?Staatsgalerie_Altdeutsche_Meister wdt:P276 wd:Q2324938. }
- work of art class with Multichill also at painting or so
- Seven Sorrows Polyptych (Q1988321) has to be cleaned
- disambiguate housing estate (Q19158848) and group of houses (Q2282602)
- write SPARQL to find User talk:Edoderoobot#Dutch label not simply English label for artist these and others "d. J.", … and ask for bot repairing them; also descriptions: Topic:Txw5z31kgjvmax69, see comment in User:Marsupium/Blog#On quality: use c:Module:I18n/name, normalization I used for BStGS inventory etc.
- Sandrart.net person ID (P1422) products to delete: Q19609968/redirect (done), probably more
- http://www.bayerisches-nationalmuseum.de/webgos/bnm_online.php
Property proposals
[edit]- off topic: interesting discussion about sources Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/10#Redundant Wikipedia citations
- Sandrart.net artwork ID (P4380) Done (proposed 2017-10-05, created 2017-10-16)
- Artists of the World ID (P4432) Done (proposed 2017-10-06, created 2017-10-28)
- archINFORM project ID (P5383) Done (proposed 2018-06-19, created 2018-06-27)
- Getty Iconography Authority ID (P5986) Done (proposed 2018-10-10, created 2018-10-23)
- Incunabula Short Title Catalogue ID (P6494) Done (proposed 2019-02-06, created 2019-02-13)
- folio(s) (P7416) Done (proposed by Jura1 2019-10-05, created 2019-10-13), cf. also c:Template:Folio
- room number (P7532) Done (proposed by Gittenburg 2019-11-02, created 2019-11-09), cf. osmwiki:Key:ref; corresponds to (superclass of (doc says only number))
|1=
of c:Template:Room: is sometimes script-dependent (e.g. Baituna al-Tahami Museum): then only use at the room item with writing system (P282) qualifier. - SMB-digital ID (P8923) Done (proposed 2020-10-18, created 2020-12-06)
- WBIS ID (P8081) Done (proposed by Wetzdata 2020-03-11, created 2020-04-06), see former discussions on User talk:Magnus Manske and perhaps do: better then much other stuff we have! (03:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)) WBIS: no! it's about documents. and it's good to find sources, but not really as a source itself
- ArchDaily architecture office ID (P12364) Done (proposed by DoublePendulumAttractor 2024-01-12)
- Archnet authority ID (P12728) Done (proposed 2024-05-13, created 2024-05-21)
- Global Egyptian Museum ID (P12732) Done (proposed 2024-05-13, created 2024-05-21)
- Historic Synagogues of Europe ID (P12733) Done (proposed 2024-05-13, created 2024-05-21)
- CamerounWeb person ID (proposed 2024-11-13)
- Arabic name classes probably should use specific properties, namely nasab (Q3870467), laqab (Q3827032) (use nickname (P1449)?), nisba (Q1054545). See also kunya (P8927). Maybe discuss before proposing at WT:WikiProject Names {{Ping WikiProject|Names}}
- logic:
- "statement reference" qualifier (can be omitted for formulas with only one operator type), probably numbered values "1", "2" etc.
- "statements logics"/"statements relations"(?): as qualifier somewhere? (in the formula the referral statement could be represented by e.g. "THIS" (stupid idea?)) easy to complex formulas like simple "AND" (could be added as a qualifier to several) to "((2 XOR 4) AND 3) OR (1 AND NOT 5)" (how many operators shall be accepted?): not well formalized, but I don't see an alternative; TODO: find good examples and further consider with them (a less powerful alternative would be qualifiers "or" and "and", but really not expressive, error-prone and bad with information in qualifiers, so: no!)
- museum etc. place identifiers (because new items are stressful, and currently probably partly less structured ("followed by" should be used more (also by me); and "shares border with")):
- "showcase reference": see above; some differentiation for room specific vitrine references?
- "department": a department property with item datatype instead of the current method with special solution for the Louvre and others at Commons??? see 2018-12-19's Wikidata:Property proposal/organizational unit
- "patrocinium": use patron saint (P417)
use dedicated to (P825)? see Property talk:P825#Religious buildings!source e.g. "Patrozinium" in the Klosterdatenbank (LD) - "AdBK München Matrikel
nummer";
http://matrikel.adbk.de/;
digitale Edition der Matrikelbücher der Akademie der Bildenden Künste München;
über 14.000 Stammdaten (http://matrikel.adbk.de/edition);
Studierenden der Akademie der Bildenden Künste München in den Jahren 1809 bis 1935;
GND IDs teils angegeben;
URLs are difficult, containing years: 05317 Heinrich Mielenz, Matrikelbuch 1884-1920: http://matrikel.adbk.de/matrikel/mb_1884-1920/jahr_1913/matrikel-05317;
here one in GND: http://d-nb.info/gnd/1077828012; the numbers are issued several times, see e.g. https://matrikel.adbk.de/suche/#b_start=0&c13=02879 -> another solution than a simple "Matrikelnummer" property is needed! One for each of the five books? also not so cool …; see also mixnmatch:3604 - "stated in official website of" (we often don't and also do not want to a have a separate item for the website I assume?) – Probably this can be simply solved by using "publisher" (or a similar property)?? (also: how to crosscheck with "official website"?) (03:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC))
- "signature statement", cf. https://collation.folger.edu/2016/05/signature-statements/, see also https://collation.folger.edu/2016/05/physical-description-book-cataloging/ for some input for number of pages (P1104)
- IDs for https://ome.dehio.org/de/start
- "baukunst-nrw ID", Baukunst-nrw (Q811434), 2414 objects as of 2023-11-06
Meisterwerke muhammedanischer Kunst
[edit]Meisterwerke muhammedanischer Kunst (Q61615032) – c:Category:Meisterwerke muhammedanischer Kunst
location: c:Category:Deutsches Museum Verkehrszentrum - Halle III + Halle IV, V
Lit.:
- Sarre/Martin: Die Ausstellung von Meisterwerken muhammedanischer Kunst in München 1910 (Q61623018), all 3 vols. on archive.org, here images from NYPL (in auctions: 2007-06-19, 2007-11-14, 2016-04-19)
- Ausstellung von Meisterwerken muhammedanischer Kunst, in München Wiki
- exhibition reviews or similar:
- Ernst Kühnel 1910: Ausstellung von Meisterwerken mohammedanischer Kunst in München (Q61631337), doi:10.11588/diglit.24116.140
- https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/kuh1910_1911/0020
- in Bulletin (British Society for Middle Eastern Studies), 17, 1990, 2, p. 244-244,ISSN 0305-6139, https://www.jstor.org/stable/194764
- Troelenberg, Eva-Maria: Eine Ausstellung wird besichtigt: die Münchner "Ausstellung von Meisterwerken muhammedanischer Kunst" 1910 in kultur- und wissenschaftsgeschichtlicher Perspektive (Q61619896), BZI: XF 1310/600
- Troelenberg 2012, ‘Regarding the exhibition: the Munich exhibition Masterpieces of Muhammadan Art (1910) and its scholarly position’, PDF
- After one hundred years : the 1910 exhibition "Meisterwerke muhammedanischer Kunst" reconsidered, preview: https://books.google.com/books?id=kMKc4qmczbUC, 0910/LH 65960 L616
- Troelenberg: Hoflieferanten und Avantgardisten: Die Kunsthandlungen Bernheimer undThannhauser auf der Ausstellung „Meisterwerkemuhammedanischer Kunst“ München 1910, PDF
Example for stuff on auction: [2]
Classes for works etc.
[edit]Interesting items:
- printed book (Q11396303): opposite of manuscript, only jawiki article
- work with multiple executions (Q28886448): but this is not "possibly multiple …" or something
visual artwork panel (Q63801378): strange, probably bad modelling
Visual Art Objects
[edit]- Notability: Object descriptions that do not clearly and explicitly by description (not only by an image) identify an unique object (e.g. File:Lambert Krahe (1781).jpg which does not indicate a location for the painting) cannot be used for creating an item for a notable entity by Wikidata:Notability point 2.
- All visual art object [not the best expression] descriptions that are sufficient descriptions of notable entities should be transferred to Wikidata.
- commons:Template:Object photo has to get a new parameter
Wikidata=Q12418
which calls an other template instead of commons:Template:Category definition: Object which retrieves all the data from Wikidata replacing the former instance of commons:Template:Artwork (depends because on bugzilla:47930).
Glasdiasammlung des KHI der HU
[edit]Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Glasdias KHI HU
- 108 | Buchdeckel 9./10.Jh. Metzer Schule / Florenz, Museo Nazionale // 575841 rot: 57/6181
- Bilderschließung mit Wikidata, 8. Januar 2017 von Klaus Graf
Pywikibot, PAWS etc.
[edit]- mw:Manual:Pywikibot/PAWS
- see also Wikidata:Pywikibot - Python 3 Tutorial
- https://paws.wmflabs.org/paws/user/marsupium/
- good example: https://paws-public.wmflabs.org/paws-public/15319026/move_property/moveP.ipynb mentioned here
no documentation, so here Wikibase related source code:
- https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/pywikibot/core/+/master/pywikibot/site.py
- https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/pywikibot/core/+/master/pywikibot/page.py
SPARQL querying
[edit]Examples:
- calculating with dates, using
as %items … including %items
thx2Tagishsimon (Wikidata:Request a query/Archive/2018/03#Optimization needed for artist dupe detection): see Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Artists same name - templated SPARQL (incl. whitespace control), federated queries and various QuickStatements input: see Template:WDGettyCompQuery
- crazy try to concatenate c:Template:Artwork using SPARQL: Wikidata:Request a query/Archive/2017/02#Comment causes server error
- improve Template:Constraint:Single value, nested query: Wikidata:Request a query/Archive/2017/05#Link values for Template:Constraint:Single value SPARQL
- some small stuff at User:Marsupium/BStGS
- probably unsolved random wrong results problem: Wikidata:Request a query/Archive/2017/07#Randomly expected and unexpected results
- labels in different languages, filter single triples: Wikidata:Request a query/Archive/2018/01#How do I get the descriptions for different languages in table columns? thx2Multichill → Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Bad descriptions
- ministers of Egyptian cabinet with start time (P580) qualifier but no end time (P582) qualifier: Try it!
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?position ?positionLabel ?starttime ?endtime WHERE { ?item p:P39 ?positionStatement. ?positionStatement ps:P39 ?position. ?position wdt:P361 wd:Q4206677. ?positionStatement pq:P580 ?starttime. FILTER(NOT EXISTS { ?positionStatement pq:P582 ?endtime. }) SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } } ORDER BY DESC (?starttime)
depicts (P180) cat (Q146)
[edit]SELECT ?item WHERE { ?item wdt:P180 wd:Q146 }
# TODO:
# * sort=date
# * columns=number,label:Article,description,P195,P180,P571,P276,P18
External ontologies, vocabularies and mapping
[edit]CIDOC CRM
[edit]AAC Mapping Validator: Which namespace should I use for the CIDOC CRM as LOD? – answer: http://www.cidoc-crm.org/cidoc-crm/, to look up the rest use http://erlangen-crm.org/docs/ecrm/current/index.html
(offtopic: an interesting question: http://www.cidoc-crm.org/modelling-states-of-prints-using-frbroo)
- Property mapping (adapted from Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Getty Vocabularies#Ontology mapping): Try it!
SELECT DISTINCT ?wdProp ?wdPropLabel ?relationshipStProp ?relationshipPropLabel ?extProp ?singleValue WHERE { VALUES ?relationshipStProp { ps:P1628 ps:P2235 ps:P2236 } ?wdProp ?a [ ?relationshipStProp ?extProp ] . FILTER(STRSTARTS(STR(?extProp), "http://www.cidoc-crm.org/cidoc-crm/")) ?relationshipProp wikibase:statementProperty ?relationshipStProp . BIND(EXISTS { ?wdProp wdt:P2302 wd:Q19474404 . } AS ?singleValue) SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } } ORDER BY ?extProp
- Class mapping: Try it!
SELECT DISTINCT ?wd ?wdLabel ?relationshipStProp ?relationshipPropLabel ?extProp WHERE { VALUES ?relationshipStProp { ps:P1709 ps:P3950 ps:P2888 } ?wd ?a [ ?relationshipStProp ?extProp ] . FILTER(STRSTARTS(STR(?extProp), "http://www.cidoc-crm.org/") || STRSTARTS(STR(?extProp), "http://erlangen-crm.org/")) ?relationshipProp wikibase:statementProperty ?relationshipStProp . SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } } ORDER BY ?extProp
To archive!
[edit]TODOs
[edit]- Not done
list of compositions by Dmitri Shostakovich (Q2073365): collect data on Wikidata using Krzystof Meyer; Nina Kozlowski (translation): Schostakowitsch - Done Template:Statement: change for statements on properties and properties as values
- Done sort out hits from Special:Search/axe head -article to ax head (Q30113226)
- Partially done to userboxes:
{{#babel:QuickStatements |Mix'n'match |quickpresets |Google Translate |Firefox |Inventaire}}
Italian stuff
[edit]have a look at http://dati.beniculturali.it/linked-open-data/ There is a SPARQL endpoint!!! way, and it's Wikidata-mapped with owl:sameAS!!
here are some vocabularies listed: https://github.com/ICCD-MiBACT/Standard-catalografici. with the search at http://www.iccd.beniculturali.it/it/ricercanormative I've found
- OA - Opere/oggetti d'arte 3.00, 2018? oh, no, this isn't a vocabulary, just another probably not very useful ontology in strange PDFs
Juan Ramírez Mejandre and Jean Aubert the Elder (DONE)
[edit]Jean Aubert (Q3170435) (enwiki: 1680-1741, French architect):
- https://viaf.org/viaf/95473859 redirect done
- http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500124236: Ramírez de Arellano, Juan; 2017-07-19T03:57:44 BotMultichillT (talk | contribs) . . (16,000 bytes) (+347) . . (Created claim: ULAN ID (P245): 500124236, based on VIAF 95473859)
- http://www.isni.org/0000000070544311 Jean Aubert the Elder (Frans architect (-1741))
Juan Ramírez Mejandre (Q9015916) (enwiki: Juan Ramírez Mejandre (March 23, 1680 – July 15, 1739), was a Spanish Baroque sculptor.):
- https://viaf.org/viaf/96598689: redirects to https://viaf.org/viaf/95473859/
- http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500124236: Ramírez de Arellano, Juan
https://viaf.org/viaf/95473859/: MIXED
- Juan Ramírez Mejandre (Q9015916)
- http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500124236: Ramírez de Arellano, Juan
- http://www.isni.org/0000000070544311 Jean Aubert the Elder (Frans architect (-1741))
- http://d-nb.info/gnd/13885520X Aubert, Jean, the elder (Internet), 1680-1741 (Geburtsjahr ca.) linked to ISNI
https://viaf.org/viaf/54417284/: SURE Aubert
https://viaf.org/viaf/172941337/ redirects here
- http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500005446: Aubert, Jean (French architect and interior designer, active 1722, died 1741)
- Jean Aubert (Q3170435)
Japanese swordsmiths
[edit]sources:
- https://nihontoclub.com/view/smiths
- Markus Sesko (all by Books on Demand, and test case not found in them :-( ): Index of Japanese Swordsmiths A-M, Index of Japanese Swordsmiths N-Z, Genealogies and Schools of Japanese Swordsmiths: mit deutscher Einleitung
Julia the Younger problem
[edit]Why the "sum of all paintings" isn't such a good scope
[edit]See Paragone (Q392398): Leonardo – Vasari. It is eurocentristic. See de:Kunstgattung#Probleme des Gattungsbegriffs.