Wikidata:Property proposal/personality traits

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personality trait of fictional character

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Descriptionparticular characteristic which applies to this fictional character
Representspersonality trait (Q2393196)
Data typeItem
Domainfictional character (Q95074)
Allowed valuespersonality trait (Q2393196)
Example 1Filby (Q70759950) > argumentativeness (Q70761814)
Example 2Makoto Naegi (Q22906680) > pacifism (Q104265981) (source)
Example 3Hanako Ikezawa (Q65478282) > shyness (Q913668) (source)
Example 4Natsuki (Q65040172) > arrogance (Q777939)
Example 5Scrooge McDuck (Q11937) > parsimony (Q7798136)
Example 6Jo March (Q27902552) > quick temper (Q84822313)
Sourcehttps://anidb.net/character, https://vndb.org/c/all, https://*.fandom.com
Planned useTo replace the use of has characteristic (P1552) on fictional characters
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See also
Wikidata projectWikiProject Narration, Wikiproject Fictional universes
Proposed byTrade (talk) 13:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Motivation

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@Shisma, Arlo Barnes, Valentina.Anitnelav:

I don't believe that personality traits of fictional characters fits within the scope of has characteristic (P1552) hence why i am proposing a seperate property whose modeling can already by found on AniDB and VNDB. I'm planning to use it along with citation-needed constraint (Q54554025) in order to keep items from being filled with bad data. Trade (talk) 13:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Valentina.Anitnelav Thierry Caro Shisma Arlo Barnes Tsaorin SilentSpike Maxime জয়শ্রীরাম সরকার Wolverène Rampant Spirit Rtnf dseomn lijil

Notified participants of WikiProject Narration

TomT0m Valentina.Anitnelav Shisma (talk) ElanHR Arlo Barnes (talk) Maria zaos (talk) EEMIV (talk) OmegaFallon (talk) Kurzov (talk) dseomn (talk) Natureshadow (talk)

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Discussion

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  • Most of the people using it are politicians, philosophers and political activists. He's simply a character who's personality makes him aversive to violence, confrontations and conflict...I think we are gonna need some time to figure out the modeling and differentiation of personality traits and their (almost identical) counterparts. How do you feel about making shyness (Q913668) both an emotion and personality trait? Or should we split it up?--Trade (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we should split up shyness (Q913668). As to pacifism (Q58848) one could do the same (so we would have one item for the ideology and one for the personality trait). I don't think that tsundere (Q1047501) is a character trait. It is rather a character type, distinguished by its development. Currently it would fall into narrative role (P5800) but I become more and more sympathetic to the idea of an own property for character types. The character of Natsuki (Q65040172) as described here could be modelled like this:
narrative role (P5800)main character (Q12317360)
character typetsundere (Q1047501)
personality traitarrogance (Q777939) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you speak more as to why you believe 'has quality' is insufficient? I am amiable towards this proposal but I don't quite yet see what hole it fills. Also, for Makoto, would it be pacifist, or pacifism like the other examples? Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because quality typically refereers to an inanimate product and using it to describe fictional characters comes off as being very stiff and awkard. Since you are not allowed to apply that on humans then it only makes sense to apply the same principle to fictional humans (and characters). Most uses of this property on fictional characters involves personality traits, hence why i made this dedicated proposal. --Trade (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm in favour of a "character type" property, but this should be only used for character types, not for personality traits. So this would be actually a different property. @Trade: I updated the property label and some of the examples: Is this ok with you? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why did you changed example 2 and 3 back to their original? I thought you agreed with their personality traits having seperate items? --Trade (talk) 13:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Trade: Sorry, I messed up with example 2 (I changed it back). But I did not change example 3... Is their already a distinct item for the character trait? We may think about naming conventions for character traits (e.g. "pacifist" vs. "pacifism", "shy" vs. "shyness"). But this should be probably discussed somewhere else, along with some other modelling questions as you already suggested. -
Nonetheless i think an appropriate constraintment and property description about should be more than enough. If someone decides to ignore both and use it on humans that'll be the fault of them and not the name of property itself. --Trade (talk) 13:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Looking at the history of Wikidata:property proposal/Narrative role is enlightening; many of the points of discussion in this proposal and the also-ongoing 'character type' proposal were addressed there two years ago (partly of course since some of the same people have been interested in how to use these various proposals). I think these properties (presuming the proposed ones pass, or if they do not then the ones that already have) should have a single dedicated place to discuss edge/corner cases between them and to elucidate proper and fruitful use; would the Narrative Wikiproject be the most likely candidate to host that? Arlo Barnes (talk) 00:47, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Vojtěch Dostál: Can we create the property? --Trade (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Trade: I think this is ready for creation. I've marked is as such and let's give it a few days (max 1 week) to see if everyone is satisfied. I'd be bolder but I just received property creator rights and I promised some restraint.Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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