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November 23

Listing an article to another name!

I've created an article Something To Sing About under Irma P. Hall who star in this film. How can I list that article to another name like Darius McCrary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamgermany2000 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You created the article Something to Sing About (film). Maybe you did it by clicking the former redlink in Irma P. Hall#Filmography, but that doesn't mean the new article is somehow "under" Irma P. Hall. It's an article like any other and can be linked like any other, by adding [[Something to Sing About (film)]] to an article. Or better: the piped link [[Something to Sing About (film)|Something to Sing About]] which was and still is in Irma P. Hall#Filmography. It's necessary to have the same capitalization in the link and article name. Silver Edge has fixed that in Darius McCrary.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

So does it have to be the exactly the same for another name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamgermany2000 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Exactly the same as what, and which other name? If you want an article to link to Something to Sing About (film) then the article should contain either [[Something to Sing About (film)]] with that exact capitalization, or [[Something to Sing About (film)|displayed text]], where the part before | has that exact capitalization, and "displayed text" can be any text you want to be displayed where the link is. Your link in [2] is correct. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

website link in article

how link website in article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hank1942 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:External links#How to link. --Silver Edge (talk) 00:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

add article to a category

could you please tell me how to add an article to a category and if there are guidelines surrounding this. thanks--Greg Devine (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You can type [[Category:Category name]] to categorise an article. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That works in linking the article to the category but how do i get my article as a link in the category itself as it does not appear. in this case the category is "Food writers" and i would like to add a name to their list in alphabetical order. thanks--Greg Devine (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You can add this to the bottom of Manuela Darling-Gansser:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Darling-Gansser, Manuela}}

[[Category:Food writers]]

The second line places a link to Manuela Darling-Gansser in Category:Food writers without editing the category directly. The first line sorts the link by the surname. See more at Help:Category. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter much appreciated.--Greg Devine (talk) 02:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Advertising

I've been hitting "Random article" and copyediting if I feel like it. I'm seeing a lot of pages that are nothing more than cut-and-paste promotional material straight from corporate headquarters, obviously placed into Wikipedia as part of some marketing or PR strategy, what you call astroturfing, I believe. I want to kill them (the articles, not the corporations, usually). How do I kill them? --Milkbreath (talk) 01:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

See WP:CSD, you are probably looking for the Spam/advertising one (G11), and the copyvio one (G12). For less serious infractions of policy, ie ones that can be remedied per the CSD criteria, you can tag it with {{Advert}}. Hope this is helps. Woodym555 (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You'll find the scripts Twinkle and [[WP::-)|Friendly]] useful for speeding up the process if you start doing a lot of tagging. Twinkle automates deletion tagging, while Friendly automates cleanup tagging. (Plus a few other features with each, but you won't need those for what you're doing.) You don't need these, but they do make things quite a bit faster. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 02:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

First, read WP:CSD to be absolutely sure you understand the rules. We don't want to trash articles that may be redeemable. If an article may be redeemable but is currently blatant advertizing, then convert it to a stub by removing the hype. This will often reduce the article to a single sentence. If the article is not redeemable, place the tag {{db-spam}} or {db-copyvio}} as appropriate. If unsure, place the tag {{advert}}. -Arch dude (talk) 04:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Internal Linking of logs

I was wondering if it is possible to internally link to a users or admins logs, such as my move log. How would I create an internal link to this page, I figured it was something like [[Special:Log/moves&user=Gonzo_fan2007]] but that just links to a blank logs page. Thanks for any help.
Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 01:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe you can, due to the way that Special:Log works. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 02:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

here, this should work. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 11:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

photo usage

i've uploaded an image for my article from the subjects webpage and it has been deleted without notes. what are the copyright requirements as i said that i had permission from the owner of the copywrite and sited the original and the web based source of the photo. what more must be done?--Greg Devine (talk) 02:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Needs a copyright tag, and also needs proof of what you are saying. Feedback ^☎ 02:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok. How do i make a copyright tag? plus what if i upload i photo i've taken myself how do i prove that?--Greg Devine (talk) 02:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

If you assert that you took the photo yourself, then we believe you. Simply add the correct tag, ({{self}}). This asserts that you took the photo and are therefore the copyright holder, and that you are hereby granting a copyuright license via the GFDL. Using any photograph thta you did not take yourself is a lot more hassle. -Arch dude (talk) 04:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• I don't blankly believe a tag - I'm paranoid like that. Be sure you correctly tag your images. If you wrongly tag an image as self when it isn't yours, it's you who get in trouble - not Wikipedia. If you are unsure, post here and tell where the image came from. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. Please do not lie to us. If you took the picture, tell us. If you did not yourself take the picture, do not lie to us, first because it's just not right, and second because it will cause problems later. My earlier comment was in response to your question about your own pictures. The point I was taking was that you do not need to do anything to prove you took the picture when you make your assertion.. By implication, however if you lie and the real copyright holder questions the picture, then you will need to prove that it is yours, or we will take it down. -Arch dude (talk) 00:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Entertainer Bob Newhart

--70.228.79.35 (talk) 03:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)–I would like to know if Bob Newhart is still alive and how to send an e-mail to him. I heard he had died, so I wouldn't write then.

Rev. Melvin W. Lindberg <email removed>

Hello. Neither our article on Bob Newhart nor Google news gives any indication that Mr. Newhart has shuffled off this mortal coil. I can't help you with sending an email to him, and this page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Knowledge questions such as this are better asked at the entertainment section of the reference desk. By the way, for your own protection, please don't post your email to any public and highly visible pages such as this. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Research project about Wikipedians

Hi! I'm a student in a business school in Europe and I am leading a research to know wikipedians better. I would really be pleased if you could answer these few question (easy and short) wikipedia survey

Thank you a lot for your help! (and sorry for the possible language mistakes) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.51.16.187 (talk) 10:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Help

Is there an oversight who is ready to listen to my problems? Govattino (talk) 11:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you looking for an Administrator? Perhaps you could give some information as to what your problems are; I notice this is your only edit. Raven4x4x (talk) 11:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

"Oversight" has a very specific meaning in Wikipedia: If you want to semi-permanently remove individual edits from an article's history then see Wikipedia:Oversight and Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. If that is not your problem then post the problem here and somebody will look at it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is unusual in that almost all activity is handled by volunteers who have not been granted any particular authority by anybody. We call these people "editors." There are about one million registered editors, and you are one of them. Yes, those of us who hang out here at the help desk will listen to your problems. So what's your problem? Note that we have sorted ourselves out into the types of questions we are interested in answering. Look over at the Reference desk for knowledge problems in several fields. Here at the help desk, we answer question about using Wikipedia. When our semi-chaotic approach to life is not working, we do have several other approaches to problem-solving, but most of them are merely slightly more formal ways by which editors reach consensus. If you think you need individual attention, just put {{helpme}} on your talk page or user page, or just leave me a note on my talk page and I'll try to find someone to help you. -Arch dude (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

At the moment there are 48,269,405 registered users on the English Wikipedia (this one), just in case anyone is interested in the exact number. However, not all of those editors are currently active. Some have lost interest; some have forgotten their passwords and can no longer log in; some are deceased. It's possible that Wikipedia will outlive all of its current editors, which might make it difficult for new users to choose "good" usernames 100 years from now, because our usernames will last as long as Wikipedia does. By then, perhaps all the new users will be cyborgs. --Teratornis (talk) 07:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Very good point. Finding a username sure is gonna suck for them. - Rjd0060 (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Image question

There's an image I want to upload to Wiki. I'm in contact with the copyright holder and he's given me permission, but with the caveats that the image is attributed, only used for educational purposes and if I provide him with a link to the page where the image was used. I'm just not sure what tag would be appropriate for use of this image. Can someone help? Gatoclass (talk) 11:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Images uploaded to Wikipedia must be able to be used by everyone. Educational-use-only images are not allowed. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see if I can persuade him to release it under the public domain + attribution licence. Gatoclass (talk) 13:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

But wait a minute, what about fair use? Doesn't that allow you to upload non-free images? Would there be a fair use tag I might be able to use instead? Gatoclass (talk) 13:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

What's it an image of? If it's a living person or a building that's still standing, it's pretty much an automatic no. Otherwise, it might be usable.

Public domain + attribution is only one possibility, see WP:BRP for more options. Stifle (talk) 15:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocking

Should someone be blocked if they vandalize their own userpage, as in User talk:212.219.188.132? Sseballos (talk) 15:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, Situation resolved. Sseballos (talk) 15:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, it is not against policy for any editor to blank their talk pages, and removing the notices placed there simply is an indication that they have been read. (This is why using edit summaries when warning editors is helpful, so when looking through a talk page history, one can see "level 2 warning" or "final warning" messages easily.) In the case of shared IPs however, removal of the shared IP header and notices that serve to let admins know of the history of the shared IP, should be reverted, as it could be many editors, and in that case, the talk page should not be blanked. See Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#User_talk_pages for details. ADD: However, after checking, that IP is indeed, an educational shared IP, so I'll put that header on the talk page. :o) Ariel♥Gold 15:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

edits

I want to edit a small grammatical error on the "Black Friday" entry, but the edit tab does not appear on the page anywhere. How am I supposed to make edits when this arises? Thanks 68.106.158.189 (talk) 15:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the edit this page tab appear at the top of the article, inbetween discussion and history? You can do it that way. Lradrama 15:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Black Friday is a disambiguation page, with no section headings, and thus no section heading edit links, but it does have an "edit this page" tab at the top, at least that I can see. Let us know if your browser is not displaying that tab. --Teratornis (talk) 15:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the exact name of the page you refer to? Black Friday is not protected so you can edit it, but some Wikipedia pages are protected, for example Black Friday (shopping). You can suggest changes to that page at Talk:Black Friday (shopping). It's only semi-protected so you can also create an account and wait 4 days. See more at Wikipedia:Protection policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Completeness vs verifiability

I've been writing the article on circular chess (aside from one or two minor edits, mostly in order to Wikify the article, it's all by me); thus far I have added accounts of the World Championships up to 2006, which are verifiable as they appear on the Circular Chess Society website - that is, the facts stated in the accounts are verifiable, although the text is not copied directly. I could add a report of the 2007 tournament, since I attended it, but this would not be verifiable, since no such report appears on the society's website (I don't know why it hasn't been updated). Without a report of this year's tournament, however, the article looks incomplete/out of date. Should I add it or not? - Chile Nose Jam (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd add it. It's always useful to have references, but if it's obsolete, then I could try and find a source for you, if you want that is. Best, Rudget.talk 18:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Have you tried asking the maintainers of the website why they don't have a report on the latest championship? - Mgm|^(talk) 19:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Page deletion

Dear,

I had created a page for PowerPlay Manager and this has been deleted. But I have read the rules before I even started typing the texts. I agree that you delete the PowerPlay Manager page, but please give me a clear reason. As I have tried to make it non sensationalist, non commercial, correct in spelling,...in general: according to the rules.

I appreciate your work at wikipedia,

The Belgium Captain of PowerPlay Manager, --Vjeetje (talk) 19:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• You can see a reason for any deletion by entering the exact page in the deletion log. In this case it was deleted for lack of notability. It's generally not a good idea to write articles about companies or websites that haven't yet started because those will inevitably be perceived as an attempt to advertise and draw in visitors. It's probably not a good idea when it is up and running either. Only the most popular websites and the ones with the most impact on the world or media are suitable for inclusion. Also, although the rules don't disallow it, WP:COI does say it is a very bad idea to create an article about an entity you're directly involved with. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing Question

On such pages about bands or movies on the side of the page it has a box saying members, former members, area, formed, etc. How do I create that into a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thereinforcements (talk • contribs) 20:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

They are called infoboxes and there are many different. They are often made with templates, for example {{Infobox Musical artist}} and {{Infobox Film}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia is racist

against ips we should stand up fur our rites

o and my question is why1!??!?!?!?!?[!]?!?!?!?!?!? why wiki do u not accept my edits tiem and time again dey disapear i think they were fine but noone (lol bastardisation of no one) cares bout opinions of ips it so frustrating omg

o and fur sttupid bots lol: --72.171.0.146 (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bots have to be authorised, so they are obviously doing a good job, other wise they would be stopped (or blocked) until the issue could be resolved. The most probably chance of edits to articles/other pages not remaining on Wikipedia for long is because they are either 1) vandalism or 2) violations of the biographies of living persons policy. —Qst 20:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

How to get answer to posed Talk

I wrote a question about Greta Garbos music in her section...in discussion...but don't know how I will get the response. Where do i go to get the reply, if there is one? THnak you Michael MAher —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rathdrumcowboy (talk • contribs) 20:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Any reply will be posted below you question on the article's talk page. If you click the "watch" tab at the top of the talk page in question, you can use your watchlist to keep an eye on the page and know when a response has been made. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

If you refer to [3] then it is written on your own user talk page and people are not likely to see or answer it. Maybe you got to that page by clicking "my talk" at the top of a page related to Garbo. But the "my talk" link is displayed on every Wikipedia page when you are logged in and it always goes to your own talk page. Greta Garbo's Flesh and the Devil can be discussed at Talk:Flesh and the Devil (you can get there by clicking "discussion" near the top of Flesh and the Devil). But note that article talk pages are meant for discussing improvements to the article and not general discussion of the subject. Wikipedia:Reference Desk is a place where people can ask questions that are not about Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Please HELP! Looking for a ship.

what was travelinI am trying to find a ship?, Which was travelling in 1956 from Marsielle, France - to- Yalta, Krum, Ukraine . Name of the ship was Britan or Britain or Bretagne something like that. Also I want to find names of all people, who was working on this ship. How can I do it? How can I find names of all ships g in 1956 from Marsielle, France? Please, let me know if you can help!!! <e-mail removed>

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.8.114.110 (talk) 21:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC) 

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

adding a biography

How can I add a biography for an artist? Thank you Bhaktirasa (talk) 21:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You need to create a page:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

--Haemo (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Purge cache button

I've noticed it dissapeared some time ago. Why's that? This button was pretty handy when cleaning csd categories. Refresh page sometimes just won't work (like today, that's why I am asking).--Tone 21:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you referring to a purge link inside the body of certain pages? Some pages have a purge link which is simply the normal URL for purging: The full article URL followed by ?action=purge. I have only seen such links being part of the editable page so maybe somebody just edited it out on a page where you expected to see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also install User:Voice of All/UTCclock.js (be sure to first install Addtabs from User:Voice of All/UsefulJS) which, besides giving you the UTC time (handy if you use {{unsigned}} or otherwise deal with UTC), will purge the page if you click on the clock. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know which tools have shortcuts for purging. For an example of a page with a purge link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Broken_redirects_for_speedy_deletion has a link saying "Purge" with the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Broken_redirects_for_speedy_deletion?action=purge. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is the button I was thinking of. It used to be at the csd category and at the subcategories as well some time ago. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't edited out because of some kind of arrangment. I will put it back. Thanks. --Tone 22:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Template question

Is there a template to warn users who continually use bad spelling and grammar while editing, besides {{SpellCheck}}? Thanks. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

No, there isn't to my knowledge, unless a user has created one by themselves, for their own use. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Merging Question

I'm trying to merge Society for the Promotion of Temperance into the American Temperance Society and I'm a little confused with the #REDIRECT [[PAGENAME]] {{R from merge}}. Will the Society for the Promotion of Temperance go in the brackets with PAGENAME and what will go in the "R from merge" one? Thanks!

-Noneforall (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey Noneforall. You place "American Temperance Society" inside the brackets, as the other article is beijg merged into it and is thus redundant. "R from merge" on the other hand does not get replaced with any text. In its existing form, it adds text to the redirect page informing others of the merge and places the page in Category:Redirects from merges. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Since you're merging and redirecting Society for the Promotion of Temperance to American Temperance Society, then it should be #REDIRECT [[American Temperance Society]] {{R from merge}} and leave the {{R from merge}} alone. See WP:MERGE, specifically the Performing the merger section for more info. --Silver Edge (talk) 00:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

November 24

EDITING tables

I wish to make an alteration to a table that appears on several different but related articles. However, I can find no way to get into it. Nor can I find anything in the Help pages that deals with this concept. Please help. Ted Watson (talk) 00:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like it's a template that is transcluded on different pages. Click "edit this page" on a page where it's displayed and the bottom of the window will have list of transcluded templates, for example Template:Warner Bros. cartoons. You can also look for the right template name inside {{...}} in the source for the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I presume you checked the record of my contributions, as the template you linked in is precisely the one I had in mind. More effort than I expected; well done. However, while the template is listed as "Warner Bros. cartoon characters," and in the appropriate brackets, at the bottom of the edit window for both Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny articles (and I admit that I haven't checked any others), your template link here for it was what I needed. If I should find myself in an analogous position in the future, I now know to put that name in the site's search engine preceded by "Template:", and will do so. Thanks. Not meaning to be offensive, but I believe that this is the first time I've asked a question at the Help Desk and gotten complete satisfaction from the initial response (though certainly every time the situation did get satisfactorily resolved). Maybe I've just been unlucky in the past! Anyway, thanks again. Ted Watson (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and yes, i checked your contributions. I do that a lot at the Help Desk because it often reveals important information for the reply. You can also search templates without knowing the exact name by first clicking the "Search" button, and then checking "Template" (and optionally unchecking "Main") at the bottom of the resulting window, for example giving [4]. By the way, some boxes made by templates have their own links to the template in a corner, for example the two bottom boxes at Warner Bros., but not Template:Warner Bros. cartoons. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

How can I lock a page from people other than myself and/or my IP address?

well people have been vandalizing my articles and my user page so how can I lock a page from people other than my user name and/or my IP address? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kotosb (talk • contribs) 00:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You have to make a request for page protection. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 01:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that you are entitled to protection of your user page but as for the articles, they are not "yours", and protection will only be granted if there is a recent pattern of vandalism. There is no protection that would entitle you, and only you, to edit a certain page. There is semi-protection which would not allow any IP users / user's who's accounts are less than 4 days old to edit, and there is Full protection which does not allow anybody to edit, except for Administrators. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Showing that I've cleaned up an article

If I've just cleaned up an article that needs cleanup according to the community portal, how should I inform Wikipedia that I cleaned it up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hostile Amish (talk • contribs) 02:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You can remove the cleanup tag from the article if you feel you have improved an article enough to warrant removal of the tag. NF24^{(radio me!)} 02:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to inform us about it but you can't write in the article space that you cleaned it up. Tim Q. Wells (talk) 02:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

world of warcraft

I just have a technical question for you. My boys have WORLD OF WARCRAFT at my house, can they play there game at there Dads house, he lives in another home? Or does he have to have his own account?

Thank you, Jackie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.171.167 (talk) 02:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This is for questions about using Wikipedia, please go here. Thanks. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 02:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

• Accounts, like the one for World of Warcraft and Wikipedia are attached to a player. As long as the player can reproduce the right username and password they can use it on any computer that is capable of running the game or site you want to access.- Mgm|^(talk) 10:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

"Edit this page" issue

I've had an account here for more than a year, and have never had an issue like this. For the past week or so, whenever I've clicked on the "edit this page" tab at the top of the page to edit an article, I've been unable to, getting a popup saying:

_______________________________________________
|Do you want to save this file?                |
|                                              |
|  Name: index.php                             |
|  Type: Unknown File Type, 219 bytes          |
|  Form: en.wikipedia.org                      |
|           __________  __________             |
|           |  Save  |  | Cancel |             |
|           ----------  ----------             |
|______________________________________________|

I've never had this problem before, and I have no idea what to do. I can click the "+" tab to create a new section on talk pages with no problem. But I can't click the "edit this page" without getting that popup. Is there anything that I can do? Ksy92003(talk) 03:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Try going to Special:Preferences, the 'editing' tab, and making sure that 'Use external editor by default' is unchecked. Raven4x4x (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It could also be a browser problem; make sure that you've updated to the latest version. You may also want to check file-related settings (in Windows, for example, Control Panel->Folder Options->File Types), where you may be able to revert changes made by a rogue software program. Nice ASCII drawing, by the way. =P NF24^{(radio me!)} 12:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Special:Preferences" change worked. It does somehow amaze me, Raven4x4x, that you were able to identify the issue. I wasn't sure anybody could figure out what was going on. So thanks. I realized that if I did anything under the IP address of my computer that I didn't have that problem, and I remember that several days ago I was looking at the preferences and checked that box just to see what would happen... apparently I found out and didn't even realize it. Thank you so much. That was really starting to bug me to death. And NASCAR Fan, thanks for complimenting my ASCII drawing... I'm actually somewhat good at those, but horrible in real-life on-paper drawings :-) Ksy92003(talk) 14:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

If you like ASCII art, you may be interested in List of text editors#ASCII art. I don't know how Raven4x4x solved the problem, but this problem comes up on the Help desk every month or so, so I would suspect it was a matter of recalling the solution. For example, search the Wikipedia Help desk archive for "use external editor by default". --Teratornis (talk) 19:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been browsing the help desk for a while, and this problem does come up semi-frequently. I recognised the 'index.php' message. Raven4x4x (talk) 23:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Categories in templates

Suppose I made a deletion template and wanted whatever page it was applied to, I wanted that page to be added in the Pages Nominated for Deletion category. I figured I would just put [[:Category: Pages Nominated for Deletion]] in the template, but it gives me that string literally. How can I do this? 209.81.124.72 (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Write [[Category:Pages Nominated for Deletion]] without ':' (and choose an existing category). If you don't want the template page itself to be in the category then write <includeonly>[[Category:Pages Nominated for Deletion]]</includeonly>. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

And note there is a Wikipedia:Deletion policy with corresponding templates. Don't make your own deletion template without discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this really wikipedia?

Resolved

 – Issue is resolved, right?

VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 11:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this really wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Has no brain (talk • contribs) 05:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the domain is wikipedia.org so this is the real thing. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The question is reasonable because Wikipedia has many mirrors and forks, although those I have seen tend to look different than the real one. --Teratornis (talk) 19:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I know it's reasonable. That's why I gave the crucial evidence: wikipedia.org in the domain. A mirror could potentially fake everything else. I haven't seen it attempted, but I have seen other sites make misleading claims about Wikipedia association. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You gave a reasonable answer so I know you know the question is reasonable. I should have been more clear that I was directing my comment at other potential readers who might think the question was unreasonable, lest someone else would feel inclined to chime in with "Of course this is Wikipedia." However, see Pharming - it might be possible for a sufficiently motivated evil genius to hijack the domain name and transfer some users to a bogus site. I have not heard of anybody pharming Wikipedia yet, but I don't hear everything. --Teratornis (talk) 01:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I suppose an evil hacker could also hack some readers browser and make it display a false domain at a fake site, without having to hijack the displayed domain. I don't know whether this has occurred. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

What's with Northern English Nationality Association of South England?

What's with this Northern English Nationality Association of South England article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Has no brain (talk • contribs) 06:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It has now been deleted as patent nonsense. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE THIS IS URGET READ NOW!!!

Resolved

 – Admin deleted image

VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 11:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Ive uploaded a picture to the Matthew Underwood wikipedia page and i dont own the copyright to it please get rid of it for me because i dont know how to pllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeee —Preceding unsigned comment added by IV21GAL (talk • contribs) 06:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleted. John Reaves 07:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi i am trying to edit the page Steve McClaren but it says "This page is currently semi-protected, and can be edited only by established registered users". How many edits do I need to make to become an established user? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.5.42 (talk) 08:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Pages that are semi-protected "disables editing from anonymous users and registered accounts less than four days old," so you can create an account and wait four days, or make a suggestion of your edit at Talk:Steve McClaren. It seems Talk:Steve McClaren has been semi-protected as well, so you can make a suggestion of your edit here and another user may edit it into the article. --Silver Edge (talk) 08:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You could also use the "requests for significant edits to a protected page", here. Regards, Rudget.talk 14:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk page seems to have been unprotected, you can now make any edit requests there. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 07:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

e-mail

dear sir , when i was creating my account i was in a hurry and forgot to provide my e-mail address . how can provide/change my e-mail address ?? siddharth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidb252 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Click "My preferences" at the top of the page. Type your e-mail in the "E-mail (optional)" box. NF24^{(radio me!)} 15:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Or just click here. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Interpreting policy

This is with the regards to the MS Explorer article and the accident in the Antarctic. Yesterday evening a blog of a first hand account of the rescue was added to the article, which has since been deleted because an admin believed that it contravened. Although articles should not normally be linked to blogs, this blog provided a unique insight into the atmosphere and events of yesterday morning.

The line of policy that would normally exclude blogs, is line 12 of "Links normally to be avoided" of Wikipedia:External links however the title here is "Links normally to be avoided" rather than "Links to be avoided"; and another line in "Wikipedia:External links" under Links to be considered offers the following "Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." I take this to mean that under some circumstances less than reliable sources may be linked to if they offer something unique. Is this one of those cases in which the blog policy could be set aside? KTo288 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I took a look but was not able to find the specific removal. My question is, was it a blog added to an external links section, or was it a blog linked as a source? If the former, nevermind, move on to the next comment. If the latter, WP:EL is not the policy you should be looking at. The issue is whether the blog constitutes a reliable source. See also Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources and Wikipedia:Reliable source examples.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It was in the external links section. KTo288 (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

• If the blog was clearly by a researcher involved in the whole thing, then it really doesn't matter it is a blog. Some people believe blogs are de facto unreliable without taking into account the author's identity. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Account Closure

How to close account of Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fznreturns (talk • contribs) 18:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, there is no way to close a Wikipedia account. If you do not want to contribute, scramble your password and remove email, that way, you will be unable to retrieve the password and the account will go stale. Regards, Neranei (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

To comply with the terms under which all contribution are licensed, an account cannot be deleted. Just stop using the account is the easiest thing to do. 87.114.135.129 (talk) 18:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Right to vanish. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Searching categories

I'd like to do a search of articles that are in multiple categories. For example, Category:Stub-Class Ancient Egypt articles and also in Category:Top-importance Ancient Egypt articles. There should be exactly two articles that are in both categories. How do these kinds of searches? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 19:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to WP:EIW#Cat, and scroll down to the "Intersection of two categories:" heading. By "a search of articles" do you mean merely to list the titles of articles that are in multiple categories, or to search the text of those articles for key words? --Teratornis (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I entered my previous answer quickly to avoid an edit conflict (common when answering the newest question). The index entry of interest is: m:User:Duesentrieb/CatScan - CatScan is a tool that can do various types of category scans, including intersection (may or may not be using up-to-date version of database). --Teratornis (talk) 19:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's it. Worked like a charm, thanks. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 19:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Inserting an image

I uploaded my image, but I cannot figure how to incorporate it in the page i want to? Please advise —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakekent (talk • contribs) 19:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Add to the page [[Image:name|thumb|right|caption text]]. See WP:IMAGE for further information.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way you need to add an image copyright tag to Image:California prison growth.gif, indicating what license the image is released under. Without a tag the image will be deleted. --teb728 (talk) 20:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Einstein_Memorial.jpg

Image:Einstein_Memorial.jpg was uploaded to Commons and later deleted from Wikipedia as a duplicate of Commons. It was just deleted from Commons as derivative; so the Wikipedia copy should be restored. Is this a good place to request that? If not, where? --teb728 (talk) 20:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This must be a good place to make your request as it worked:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Default Signature for anons .. .. ..

Why did it change? There's no policy against anons having user pages, so logically there's no reason not to link to an anon user's user page in their signature.. .. ..--172.135.106.105 22:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is a pseudo-policy as it is technically impossible for anons to create their userpage due to the software. GDonato (talk) 22:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I could for instance slap a {{helpme}} template on my talk page and ask someone to create a user page for me.. .. .. besides, it's not a software limitation, nor is it policy, it's just the decision of a handful of users that anons can't be trusted to create new pages, even though some of wikipedia's oldest and best developed articles were originally created by anons back in 2002, 2003, and 2004.. .. ..--172.168.226.201 22:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh please, it's not about lack of trust, it's about the fact that most IP addresses don't have user pages, and for the sake of accessibility to the pages needed to be accessed most (i.e. contributions and talk pages), the default signature now links to only the contributions page and the talk page. There is no policy against IP addresses having user pages, and it is completely possible to create for IP addresses to create their own pages. Spebi 22:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that an IP Address will change periodically, so if you create a page under your IP, in 2 weeks, someone else will be using that IP Address, and that user page will belong to that person. To avoid confusion, we recommend you Create an Account. Feedback ^☎ 22:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way, notice that your signature DOES link to your (non-)user page. --teb728 (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Only if I sign manually, otherwise it looks like this .. .. ..--172.135.100.242 (talk) 23:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you aware that you used 3 different IP addresses in this section? (Assuming all 3 are you). If your IP changes every few minutes then a user page seems pointless as I just wrote at User talk:172.168.226.201, but you may already be gone from that IP. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

If I wanted to I could keep it completely static and confine all my posts to one IP. --172.135.135.208 00:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

can anyone help me

i asked about the hard days night movie and no one even helped me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.253.198.153 (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sory to hear that, please can you explain in further detail what you mean? Thanks! —Qst 23:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to know information about the movie, you may want to ask at the Reference Desk - we're only here to help you use Wikipedia. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict)Well in defence of the people who help here, you did only just ask "hards days night" which is extremely vague putting it bluntly, I suggest if you want to ask a question about the subject in question go to the reference desk, there is a link on the top of the page in red and underlined.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 23:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

To be precise, the help request [5] at #help me again said "a hard days night" and nothing else. One editor asked what you wanted and another gave a link to A Hard Day's Night. It's hard to be more helpful based on that input. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

November 25

how do i make my own article?

how do i make or type my own article so every one can see it on wiki. this is a really awsome site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souljagirl6295 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article. Happy wiking! NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

But if you thinking of writing an article about yourself, you can't. --teb728 (talk) 01:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well it's not that you can't create an Autobiography, but doing so is strongly discouraged (see Wikipedia:Autobiography as to why). VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 06:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Pages are automatically being added to my watchlist

I do vandalism reversion and sometimes I notice pages I reverted vandalism on being added to my watchlist automatically. Is their anything I can do to prevent this? Thanks.--Miss Pussy Galore (talk) 00:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you use twinkle, then there is a configuration available that stops this. If you are just doing it manually, then you must set your preferences to where it does not add pages by default. I (talk) 00:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

External Links to Amazon?

Is it desireable to link pages of books and DVDs to Amazon? I look in Wikipedia if I want to know more about a book (customer ratings are not neutral enough in my opinion) and it would be convenient for users and probably profitable for Wikipedia.

Generally speaking, Wikipedia does not link to commercial sites. Please see WP:EXT for more information. Jeffpw (talk) 00:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:ISBN. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• If ISBNs are properly linked they already link to every possible site imaginable. Linking to Amazon would give them an unfair advantage over all the other booksellers, so that is not desireable. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

User_talk:Aclinton

SHOCKING!--144.82.106.145 (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your question is about, could you please clarify? VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 06:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I think hes referring the fact that he was editing for a "newspaper" to see how fast that it would get reverted. Peachey88 ^{(Talk Page | Contribs)} 07:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact, 144.82.106.145 is so shocked he goes on a vandalism spree himself before being blocked. Perhaps this vandalism by journalists is only encouraging other vandals. Astronaut (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing

How do you make those table like things on the side of cities with their population... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Write me (talk • contribs) 02:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You can for example use {{Infobox Settlement}}. There are other possibilities like many country specific infoboxes in Category:City infobox templates. You can see what an existing article did by clicking "edit this page" and looking at the source. The bottom of the window will have links to used templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

My user page was deleted

I took the time to create a user page. There was a lot of content put on it. My user page was DAnglFrd. I saved my last changes and it logged me out, when i logged back in everything was gone. There was nothing in the deletion log. I was just wondering what happened.

Fred —Preceding unsigned comment added by DAnglFrd (talk • contribs) 02:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

That would be the gremlins. Seriously, that is very frustrating but I checked the deletion log and no one deleted the page; it never saved. Always make it a habit of highlighting your text and copying it before clicking save and this will never happen. For really long posts or articles, it's advisable to save it for sure to a document on your computer. As for why you were logged out, that could be many things. I'm no computer expert but I can tell you they do some pretty random things at times. In any case, make sure your computer is accepting cookies, and make sure you click "remember me" when you log in. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I don’t know why you were logged out. But the fact that you were logged out explains why your page was not saved, for you can’t create a page unless you are logged in.

I’m sorry you lost your text. In addition to Fuhghettaboutit’s suggestions, you might have been able to recover your text after the logout if you had pressed the Back button of your browser. (If you had previewed your text that is—this doesn’t work for me unless I preview.) --teb728 (talk) 06:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

WP Fundraising

Hi, i just wanted to comment on WP fundraising. Sure the site is great and all but to say that without donations there would be no WP is a bit far fetched in my opinion. At worst if WP didn't have enough funds to operate then it would probably get bought out and be turned into a profit making business through ad revenue. So really you should say "donate to WP today to keep it an ad free zone". That is all. --79.72.5.42 (talk) 02:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• How can someone "buy out" Wikipedia? Not only would it go against all the foundation's principles, it would be a great problem for our non-profit status and could potentially lead to lawsuits from people who donated in the past. Also, there is no company that is "in" in the sense of owning Wikipedia stock or part of the organization, so no company is in the position to buy the foundation out. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

i am done

sombody please help me with a hard days night! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.253.198.153 (talk) 03:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

We have attempted to help. Replied on user talk. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Please say what you mean. What is your question if it isn't in the article (and do you know to click on the article's name in blue to find it?). Julia Rossi (talk) 08:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

problems registering as user

my IP address appears to be blocked. I have a home wireless network protected with a WEP and am sure that no other "casual" users apart from my direct family would be able to access the network. However, I edited two entries on the "House of Sorgo" page because that is my family, what is written on the page covers a minor branch of the family - anyhow please let me know how to register in order to update information, and also please advise how to add pictures so that the modern coat-of-arms, and family portraits to match the historical entries can be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.120.68.69 (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are able to edit this page, your account is not blocked. For more information on creating an account, see here. I don't see that you've made any edits to the page at House of Sorgo, so perhaps you didn't save the page. For more information there, see Help:Editing. I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I notice that the last two edits to House of Sorgo were from IPs 192.169.41.47 and 203.120.68.66, both different from the 203.120.68.69 you used above. So it looks like your ISP (Pacific Internet?) constantly changes your IP. I suspect that may be your problem. Perhaps someone else can confirm and if so tell you how to deal with the situation. --teb728 (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Fictional events

I added "The Great Silence Epidemic" from The Phantom Tollbooth to 1712 in literature under a ===Fictional Events=== heading and had it removed with a comment "real-world events only." I wasn't sure if that was just one editor's opinion or if there was a guideline on this beyond the more general rule not to write in an in-universe style. So I posted a query at WP:BOOKS back in July and got no responses whatsoever.

Any thoughts on how I could best work to establish a consensus on this? Matchups (talk) 04:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with its removal. It is indiscriminate information in my opinion, and trivia. The title, the context, the way encyclopedias work, begs real events; things that actually ocurred in 1712, and not any thing at all which has literature and 1712 in common. It is akin to an almanac entry in which we would never expect to find a random tidbit about a fictional listing. And we would be opening up the doors to every fictional event that can be placed in any particular year. Then there's the larger context of weight. That article starts with the text "The year 1712 in literature involved some significant events" (emphasis added). Anything and everything that ocurred in 1712 is not fair game. Likewise, the Phantom Tollbooth is a wonderful book and very notable. A segment from it is very likely not and shouldn't, by extension, be listed in that article even if fictional events were proper.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• The editor was indeed correct. You probably misunderstood the page title. If we were to include all sorts of fictional events in such articles they would become impossible to maintain. "in literature" means the page is for events about literature in the real world. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the others. Category:Fictional timelines has some timelimes for well-known fictional universes but I don't think an isolated book should get an article for it's timeline. There is no Fictional events in 1712, and Timeline of fictional historical events was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of fictional historical events. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Thanks, all. Although I was hoping for a different answer, I'm glad to get some answer so I can move on and contribute in more permissible ways. Matchups (talk) 13:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Sharing a project

How can Share my project with Wikipedia?

I have few pages in constuction (I am doing) for Fruit Trees: How to Improve Trees and Grapevines, To Better and Faster grow. How to graft then with different kind of grafting, I have Pictures and Designs. How to Care Trees, Grapvines.Some of these cannot be found in Books, or see in TV.!

So for me it is inpossible to understand all your Rules.! But if some one want to help me, I think these are impotant to Share for Amateurs and Students, even to be learned in Schools, or Share in Developing Countries.?

I even can find Wikipedia e-mail to ask them, if they want to put in Web site.

Thank you

Koteli

24 November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.92.183 (talk) 04:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The pages at Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article should have most of the information you need. Before you begin, please carefully read through our policies and guidelines on notability, citing reliable sources for verification, neutrality, and formatting and article layout, where many new users commonly make mistakes. You may also want to consider checking out what Wikipedia is not, the deletion policy and criteria for speedy deletion so you know specifically what to avoid when writing your article. I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

In addition to that, also notice that you should not post articles of your original research. Such articles or information will be promptly deleted or reverted and also read WP:V carefully. DSachan (talk) 05:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not sure how the verifiability rules are in WikiBooks, but the titles of your articles suggest they are better suited for WikiBooks than for Wikipedia. Perhaps WikiHow is another suitable outlet. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The "how to" suits WikiBooks, so off you go and contribute freely.Julia Rossi (talk) 08:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Alumni referencing

I notice a lot of educational institutions list notable alumni sections and it got me wondering about the technical aspect of referencing each individual alumnus. Is there a commonly accepted way of doing this? If so could you provide an example from WP? Many Thanks --Flaming Ferrari 05:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

As a rule, we only list those alumni who are notable and have existing articles on Wikipedia. We do not list all alumni from any given university or other institution, and doing so would not only require a massive technical overhaul but also (most likely) violate a few privacy laws. If there is someone notable who does have an article or is very likely to have a substantial article created about them in the near future, you are welcome to add them to the list by adding the respective page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles translated from foreign language versions

I need a third opinion.

If an article is translated from the foreign language version, it has to be listed on the bottom of the page, hasn't it? Seven (talk) 06:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• What does Wikipedia:Translation say? - Mgm|^(talk) 10:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It says nothing. Wikipedia talk:Translation has something though.

Copyrights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Translation#Copyrights Seven (talk) 11:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The suggestion at your last link (putting something to the effect of "translated from the xx-language wikipedia article xxxx" into the edit summary) is a good idea. This puts the translation notice in the article history for anyone interested to see. Putting a translation notice in the body of the article doesn’t make sense, for the entire translation might be replaced as the article evolves. --teb728 (talk) 23:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

In the case of an editor neglecting to mention that he translated an article from a foreign language version, is there a standard procedure to correct the problem? Seven (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't know about a standard procedure. But you could make a dummy edit with an edit summary like “this page appears to be translated from the xx-language wikipedia article xxxx”. --teb728 t c 22:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

translation of infromation from French to English

i would like to translate articles from the French wikipedia section to English. can i do it? i am a French professor living in India. at Present I am doing my Ph.D. in French literature. i also hold a Master's Degree in English. also why there are no wikipedia sites in Indian Languages? could you answer me please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.11.44.177 (talk) 07:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you might want to check out this page: Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Of course Wikipedia is glad to accept your offer. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 07:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There are Wikipedias in Telugu, Hindi, Marathi, Tamil, and many other languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 07:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, we would be glad if you help us. For your information, there are existing wikipedias in many indian languages like Hindi, Assamese, Sanskrit, Punjabi, Marathi, Tamil, Kannada, Gujarati, Bengali, Malayalam, Urdu, Telugu, Pali and Kashmiri. The only problem is the lack of contributors in those wikipedias and thus lack of maintenance and lack of good content. If you want to contribute here, you may want to open an account first and then start doing your work. Though you have to remain within the guidelines of wikipedia while developing the articles. Hope it helped. DSachan (talk) 07:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

See List of Wikipedias for the languages we cover. You are now viewing the English Wikipedia, which is the largest, and one of the best-developed, and thus more likely to show up in search engines and so on. To learn about organized translation activities at the Wikipedias, see: WP:EIW#Transl, and Wikipedia:WikiProject France may have information about translating articles from the French Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 00:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Mic Wright

The article 'Mic Wright' has been flagged with an autobiography warning.

This is not the case - the article has been written by the subject's father - so is, by definition, a biography and, should not contravene any of Wikipedias's rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmike (talk • contribs) 08:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• That probably happened because the article failed style guidelines. It contained several instances of promotional and flowery language and opinions (like: "After cutting his teeth on... he got the opportunity to move..." and "his witty style".). - Mgm|^(talk) 10:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

My concern is WP:Note, whether this article follows it. Though I am not sure. DSachan (talk) 10:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

See WP:PEACOCK for an explanation of what promotional language is, and why it does not belong in an encyclopedia. Most people write with promotional language most of the time, so learning how to write objectively enough for an encyclopedia takes time. It's easier to write our way about topics one does not have a personal stake in. --Teratornis (talk) 13:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If the article was written by the subject's father, there is a clear conflict of interest. Perhaps if Mic Wright is notable enough, then other people who are aware of his work would contribute to the article. Astronaut (talk) 18:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

unfortunate redirect

admin, i accidently redirected my page created on 2:39 PM 25/11/2007 with user name SAMK SRS on MBCET, CROSSROADS to an older page of Mbcet. can you help me remove the redirection. Its important.Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SAMK SRS (talk • contribs) 09:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I undid your unintended edit.--teb728 (talk) 09:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There probably should not be two articles on the same subject: Mar Baselios College of Engineering and Technology and M.B.C.E.T. --teb728 (talk) 09:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

move article

Resolved

Please move BAFTA Award for best editing to BAFTA Award for Best Editing, see British Academy of Film and Television Arts. Thanks --Steve —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.116.178 (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Great! --89.247.116.178 (talk) 14:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Mailing address

I want to contribute information WITH DOCUMENTATION. What is your USPS mailing addrtess? What do I do now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.65.73.100 (talk) 10:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but current contact information for the foundation can be found via the Contact Wikipedia link in your sidebar. – Luna Santin (talk) 10:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to contribute to an article, you don't mail your contributions in. See Wikipedia:Introduction or Wikipedia:How to edit a page for some information on how to make contributions. Raven4x4x (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Article content should be verifiable through published reliable sources. Those sources can be cited. If you have unpublished information then it should not be added to Wikipedia and there is no reason to send paper documentation for it to Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Writing big numbers

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I'm not sure what's the Wikipedia policy here:

3,000 = three thousand

6,000,000 = six million

9,000,000,000 = nine (?)

12,000,000,000,000 = twelve (?)

15,000,000,000,000,000 = fifteen (?)

18,000,000,000,000,000,000 = eighteen (?) Admiral Norton ^(talk) 10:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Page on long and short scales might be helpful. DSachan (talk) 10:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Also MOS:NUM, MOS:NUM#Numbers in particular. – Luna Santin (talk) 10:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 13:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

General Motors Car factory in Ste Therese/Blainville Quebec?

Can't find a thing. Anybody? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.105.119 (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not suite sure what you are seeking. From our article, Sainte-Thérèse, Quebec: "Until 2002, when General Motors shut its doors, it was also the home of the only Canadian automobile assembly plant outside of Ontario"--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

And there are sources in a Google search.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Captain Robert Riddell of Glenriddel, the history of Friars Carse in Scotland and Robrt Burns

Why is there no proper article on this very important subject?

Friars Carse started as a monasic cell belonging to Melrose Abbey. In the 15th century it was granted to the Kirkpatricks of neighbouring Ellisland (the property later farmed by Robert Burns). From them it passed to the Maxwells and then, in the 18th century, to the Riddells. The Kirkpatricks built a tower-house on the site in the late 16th century(illustrated by Francis Grose and Adam Cardonnel). This was demolished by Captain Robert Riddell in 1772 and replaced by a modern house, which in turn is now incorporated in a large baronial mansion of the 19th century. It is now a country house hotel (see website).

Apart from its history, the principal interest is that Robert Burns, the famous Scottish poet, was a close friend of Robert Riddell and a frequent visitor at Friars Carse. He used to sit in The Hermitage, a small hut on the estate, and wrote some of his poetry there. He had a key. It was at the same time that the famous antiquary, Captain Francis Grose, stayed at Friars Carse, and the three spent many an hour together. At the request of Burns, Grose included the old kirk at Alloway in his 'Antiquities of Scotland' (1789-91), on condition that Burns wrote a poem for the volume. The result was 'Tam O'Shanter', one of Burns finest and most famous poems.

Alastair Maxwell-Irving, FSA, Telford House, Blairlogie, Stirling, FK9 5PX, Scotland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.7.201 (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

People without a Wikipedia account can suggest articles at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. If you do then please include evidence that the subject satisifies Wikipedia:Notability (see WP:BIO for biographies), and reliable sources to the given information. Most suggestions are not accepted. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

not accepted because they lack that information. - Mgm|^(talk) 18:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Person of significance add was deleted

How do I start a page about a person of significance (world champion professional athlete) recognized by the Smithsonian Institution? I linked a new page from his sponsor page and all info was deleted. Please assist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynergetic (talk • contribs) 19:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I am assuming you are referring to a skateboarder. You need to create an article that sticks to the facts and cites each fact with a reliable resource. For an example on a similar topic, see Nude Bowl. There is almost nothing reliable on the Internet, but it is cited from many different sources and sticks only to the facts. So, the article survived a nomination for deletion. -- kainaw™ 19:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

snausages deletion

to prefix: i didn't write the snausages page, and i don't have any particular affection or nostalgia for snausages. i don't even have a dog.

however, several months ago i found the page after having a conversation that somehow wound its way to the 1980s dog treats. there was some piece of information (i can't even remember now what it was) that seemed in desperate need of a source. i put a note on the talk page asking for a source for that fact. i just looked at the page again to see if there'd been a source added.

and the snausages page had been deleted.

here's the note: 09:28, 24 October 2007 Anthony Appleyard (Talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Snausages" ‎ (content was: '==Importance (?)==I think the importance is mostly pop-cultural and nostalgic, at least for the generation of Americans exposed to the meme-ic Snocra...')

now i'm sure Anthony Appleyard is a well-intentioned editor, and i tend to agree with him regarding the importance of snausages. but is it really an editor's place to make a decision about importance? is "importance" an acceptable criterion for deletion? doesn't that fly in the face of the whole notion of the "long tail" and all of the stuff that makes this wikipedia so good?

when i found that page several months ago, i was heartened to know that the wikipedia had grown so thorough that EVEN SNAUSAGES had a page. if individual wikipedia editors get to be "importance" police, then isn't something lost? doesn't this become some form of elitism? i know that the hierarchical structure of the wikipedia is hardly anarchic at this point, and that there is some degree of power and discretion built in, but wasn't that power and discretion supposed to be used for objective editing? isn't choosing what is important and what is not important thoroughly subjective?

in the case of snausages, yes, most of us can agree that they are probably not so important. still, i'd like to see that page there. as a longtime wikipedia reader and fan, i would be incredibly disappointed to learn that the mission has evolved to the point where a small percentage of the population is making decisions on what the rest of us should find important. assuming you're not running out of server space, what harm is it having a snausages page? just like with first amendment law (here in the U.S.), we need to protect the speech that we don't think is necessary in order to set a precedent for the speech that we do think is necessary.

i'm sorry for the rambly comment/question here, and, perhaps, for having missed a larger change in the wikipedia's mission, but i sincerely hope that you will reconsider the "importance" criterion for deletions. the role of editors should be to promote objectivity and the neutral point of view, to prevent vandalism, and to clarify the prose of the articles. it should not be their role to determine what we should and shouldn't be allowed to waste our time with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conflationary (talk • contribs)

Actually, the page has been deleted twice: [7] [8], and so has the alternate title, Snausage. Anthony's reason is clear: "04:28, October 24, 2007 Anthony Appleyard (Talk | contribs) deleted "Snausages" (content was: '{{db-spam}}{{Unreferenced}} Snocrates, mascot for Snausages since 1984.Snausages are ...')" Thus, the reason it was deleted was it cited no references, and was written like an advertisement, rather than an encyclopedia article. It is possible that an article could be created about the subject, if proper sources were found and cited per the manual of style, but ultimately, Wikipedia is a historical project, and the importance of such a thing as a dog food, could be questioned by some. I have no real opinion on the article personally, but Anthony was operating under the guidelines and policies of administrators, by deleting an article that did not conform to Wikipedia's standards with regards to importance. Ariel♥Gold 19:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the reply. i'm in complete agreement that the article needed sourcing (which is why my only involvement in it was to request sourcing on its talk page). wouldn't a better way to get sourcing be to strip out the unsourced claims and make the article a stub? deleting it discourages further contribution. some articles do get to be stubs while awaiting further contribution; articles deemed "unimportant" apparently do not. that brings us back to my original concern, that this article was deleted because of someone's perception of its importance. i don't want to debate whether snausages specifically are important (nor would this seem the place for that debate), or even whether advertisements themselves are historically and culturally important (i think they are), but i do want to raise the issue of the danger of letting individual editors decide what is important. the notability page you've linked discusses (particularly in footnote 2) issues of importance/unimportance, but the documents that page references as guidelines -- What Wikipedia is not, Five pillars -- do not explicitly talk about the importance/unimportance disctinction or who gets to make that decision. seems like it might be a de facto policy that has started up for practical reasons. while it may seem practical to have editors strip out "unimportant" articles, a select few choosing what is worthy of people's time is worrisome. why not just clear out the text and turn the article into a stub?--Conflationary (talk) 20:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to take the issue to deletion review, but rest assured that administrators do not just delete articles because they personally think they are "unimportant", there is a specific set of criteria, (linked in the pages above) involved, and the notability criteria differ from article to article, based on subject matter. I would also like to note, that Anthony's deletion summary does not contain the word "importance", and I'm unsure where your copy/paste is from, but the deletion log I linked above shows the deletion summary and reason. Administrators are chosen in part because of their knowledge of policy and guidelines, and this is not simply "some random editor" choosing to delete an article they don't personally think is important. Editors cannot delete articles (although administrators are also editors, of course). Take a look at requests for adminship to see the discussions involved in becoming an administrator, and you can also ask Anthony directly on his talk page, to discuss the deletion with you. You could also choose to work on the article in your userspace, such as User:Conflationary/sandbox, and once you feel it is ready, ask Anthony, or another administrator to review it to be sure it would not be deleted. Ariel♥Gold 20:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

again, i appreciate the reply. but i'm not sure i've made my point clear. i don't care about snausages. i don't want to write the snausages page. i'm sure that anthony is eminently qualified and, as i said above, well-intentioned. i'm sure that every editor and every admin here is great, and i know that keeping vandalism clean and point of view neutral is no small task on a project this huge. but i do have an issue with any editor or administrator -- no matter how qualified, experienced, insightful or well-educated -- choosing what is and isn't notable. yes, there are times when the distinction is easy, as with autobiographies, but as much as you want to think that what distinguishes notable from non-notable is always black and white, it most certainly is not. i very much enjoy the wikipedia, and i was thrilled to see that there was a snausages page, specifically BECAUSE i didn't care about it and it seemed something that wouldn't have an entry in britannica, precisely because of the elitism inherent in having an editorial hierarchy. i'm happy to contribute to the wikipedia when and as i have time (which i've done sporadically without a login since 2003), but this isn't a request to work on a pet page; this is a request for the admins and editors to uphold the five pillars of wikipedia, which do not, to my knowledge, include making judgment calls on what is and isn't important. (incidentally, the note that i pasted into my original message is what regular users see when they click on the deletion log for the snausages page.) one day this will be a better encyclopedia for all of your efforts, especially if you use your power to make user contributions better without discouraging them. deleting pages where the argument for them being non-notable is tenuous at best is not going to encourage anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conflationary (talk • contribs) 21:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Let me clear something up: The "importance" line you saw is from the article's talk page, [9], and it was a topic posted by someone else, not Anthony, but talk pages are deleted when articles are deleted. The article itself, as seen again, here and here was deleted for valid, standard reasons, as WP:SPAM (for the latest deletion). What you clicked on was the discussion page, where editors discuss the article, and evidently someone, at some point, had posted a topic that was titled "importance". When a page is deleted, the first few things in the page are shown in the summary. Please understand that this has nothing to do with the reason the article itself was deleted, and that again, administrators delete based on specific policy and criteria, not on what they personally feel is important, and if the issue is disagreed with, deletion review exists. I understand you aren't looking for a pet project, my suggestion was just a suggestion, but I think perhaps you feel that administrators delete just on their own opinions, when in fact, the process of deletion is governed by policy, and administrators delete based on the deletion criteria. I hope that helps clear up this "importance" issue! Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 21:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

good to know that's from a discussion and not the explicit reason for the deletion. of course, the process that admins use does eventually get to an issue of deciding importance. that's represented by point 7 in the article section of the deletion criteria you've cited, as well as the tricky issue of "notability," which is substantially similar to "importance." as the first footnote of the notability page makes clear, it's impossible to disprove notability. ultimately, then, interpreting the criteria for deletion involves judgment calls by admins. as i've mentioned previously, i think that discretion is dangerous. at any rate, thanks for your patience with the issue. hopefully the defining criteria for notability (which functions as a criterion for deletion) will end up getting defined more precisely as it relates to the underlying question of "importance," which is fundamentally a subjective issue no matter how much procedure is wrapped around it.--Conflationary (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

unseen cost of illegal immigration i wish to submit a letter

Recently I have received numerous phone calls regarding the purchasing of local papers. I do not beleive them to be informative when forming an opinion on illegal immigration. To many of us this is the biggest issue facing America today, yet you fail to put fourth any information regarding the cost to communities locally or nationally. How much effect does this have on property taxes in lower income neighborhoods were the illegals reside? How does this effect the wages of local population or the cost to rent an apartment? What effect does this have on the black community who they are in direct competition with. The American labor force feels the impact caused by cheap illegal workers. We only wish to create a balance and control this run away train. Send the trouble makers home, no guest worker program. So no I do not want your papers. Thank you Mike rogersZise (talk)--Zise (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this page is for help using the online encyclopedia, Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with your local newspapers or the phone calls you have been receiving.

As for your "no guest worker" rant, perhaps you would like to consider that the costs that so concern you are probably covered by their income tax and sales tax they pay. These immigrant workers are the same people that serve your coffee for minimum wage, stock the shelves for minimum wage, mow your lawn for minimum wage, and so on. Would you do that for under $7 an hour and still be able to support your family?

Astronaut (talk) 21:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

As much as I would agree with your views, answering his trolling only incites unnecessary discussion on the topic. Inform him that this is not the place for him to disseeminate his views, WP:DENY and move on. Thanks, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 22:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I was only seeking to balance somthing clearly POV. But I also see your point and I did ponder if my comment might invite further unnecessary discussion. Won't happen again now I know there's a policy. Astronaut (talk) 22:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

On the Help desk, from time to time we get questions which only make sense if we hypothesize that the questioners read an article on Wikipedia that was about something (such as a newspaper), and they mistook Wikipedia as somehow being affiliated with that something. In a way, that's kind of a compliment, that the Wikipedia article about an organization can sometimes be more visible and accessible than the organization's own site. But now the question has me wondering: if the low wages of illegal aliens are causing problems, I wonder what effect the free labor we donate to Wikipedia is having? Perhaps the folks over at Encyclopedia Britannica could find common cause with Zise, and create a united front opposing free trade. Maybe they could get Bill Gates to join them in a rearguard action against the entire Open source movement. At least with illegals, you have to pay them to get them to work. Wikipedia somehow gets us to work for nothing. I wish I could think of a way to get people to mow my lawn and paint my house for free. Clearly, I am far less intelligent than Jimbo Wales. As far as a little off-topic discussion goes, it's fun, and if Wikipedia isn't fun, we will leave, and then there is no Wikipedia. Back to the original "question," I believe the following accusation must be incorrect, when applied to Wikipedia (which may not be what the questioner intended, but here we are so let's roll with it):

• "you fail to put fourth [sic] any information regarding the cost to communities locally or nationally"

Wikipedia contains so much information that it's hard to imagine we wouldn't have something about the economic impact of illegal immigration. My advice to Zise is to read Help:Search and learn about how to find information on Wikipedia. There, that was somewhat back to our putative topic of using Wikipedia. Also see robotics, telerobotics, offshoring, and technological singularity for some possible changes to the economic "game rules" which may replace cheap human labor with even cheaper machine labor, and thus eliminate the incentive for illegal immigration in the future. --Teratornis (talk) 00:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

last modified

Please please please ((helpme)) i really need this now asap!!! when was the wikipedia last modified and who did it? please help me!! I need this in the next 10 minutes or so. ((helpme))!!! 216.158.164.2 (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• Go to Recent changes page. Try pressing reload key in your browser and you will see that wikipedia is constantly being modified. So, your answer will depend on when you hit the repload key last time. I hope I understood your question correctly. DSachan (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

(conflict) :See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. As for last modified, the date of the last edit is on the bottom of all pages. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

A way to learn who made the last edit to a page (and also when) is to click on the History tab. The top line is the last edit. --teb728 (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• NF24 is right though. If you need to cite Wikipedia, then looking at the history won't help you. Since Wikipedia is constantly changing, attributing the article to the last editor would be woefully incorrect. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If you (the questioner) want to know who added a particular passage in an article, see WikiBlame. If the constantly-changing nature of a Wikipedia article is a problem, that's why we have permanent links ("permanent" as long as Wikipedia keeps running, and the article does not get deleted). --Teratornis (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Keeping my old username

I posted some information as "Wikiups" some time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=N-Nitrosodimethylamine&action=history

(cur) (last) 21:19, 4 February 2007 Wikiups (Talk | contribs) (undo)

(cur) (last) 21:01, 4 February 2007 Wikiups (Talk | contribs) (undo)

(cur) (last) 21:00, 4 February 2007 Wikiups (Talk | contribs) (undo)

I cannot remember my login password and it looks like my login information does not have my email address. I like my username and would like to keep it. Is there any way to do this?

Cheers, Wikiups

Oh dear. I don't think there's anything we can do at this point. NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding more information on Something to Sing About page!!!

I need some help. I want to add more information on Something to Sing About page like Plot Summary, Trivia, Cast, Awards & nominations, etc. What can I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamgermany2000 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, first off, do not add trivia. It is prohibited per the Manual of Style. Next, click "edit this page" at the top of the page. There you can add things like summaries and cast. Be sure to cite your sources. Since it's a film, IMDb is a good place to start. Lastly, don't be afraid to make changes! You generally don't have to ask permission to edit. Happy wiking! NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

November 26

problem of format of audio and video files

Hello, this is one poor guy, need your help badly....! coz the format of all the audio and video files is some kid "ogg" and on simple windows media player it doesnot run... we are here for study in cuba, and here the internet is fully restricted' except some sites like wikipedia... now i yearn to learn spanish, there is enough material for begginers in wikibooks' learn french catagory, but the main problem with the french is its pronunciation. here i cant download the extra codecs to listen the audio files given in content. plz do change the format,compatible to simple windows media player so that this poor guy could be able to fullfill his innocent wish. Please.....! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.222.140 (talk) 00:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you download VLC media player? That should play the ogg files. It's interesting that Cuba does not restrict Wikipedia, when China does. --Teratornis (talk) 00:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• You should check the file info page. There is a Java program that allows playing such files directly from your browser. - Mgm|^(talk) 00:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a page I created

I would like to delete a page I created. How do I do so? There is no "edit" above the stub, only over the external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blairtin (talk • contribs) 00:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are the only substantial contributor then you can place {{db-author}} on the page. Click "edit this page" at the top to edit the whole page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Presumably you're talking about the article Blair Tindall: at least seven other editors have contributed to this article since you created it. If you yourself are Blair Tindall, I do want to caution you about our rules regarding conflict of interest and autobiography on Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Something to Sing About page!!!

How am I doing with Something to Sing About (2000) page? is there any changes that need to be done? If so, can you fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamgermany2000 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You may want to take a look at the New Contributor's Help Page, where experienced editors regularly look over new creations and provide advice for improvement. We're only here to help you use Wikipedia, although from what I can tell, it's off to a good start. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

how

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 – Issue is resolved, right?

VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 04:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

::I would think so. Dr.K. (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

how do u spell sertain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.208.198 (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

certain. Dr.K. (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Renaming an article

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Moved in [10]. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

Is there a method to rename an article? I inadvertently used a lower case letter for a persons name.

Thank you,

Steven Miranda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.62.10 (talk) 03:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you "move this page". But you can only do it if you're logged in, and only if your login has "aged" sufficiently. If you can't, simply list the page name here (or at Wikipedia:Requested moves) and someone will move it for you. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Making a Wikipedia page available offline

I expanded a Wikipedia stub with new material, text and images. I am using Windows XP home edition with SP2. How can I tell Internet Explorere V7.0 to make this page available offline? The page does contain a couple of links.--Aernyes (talk) 03:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Your question is unclear. What do you mean by "make a page available offline"? --Orange Mike | Talk 03:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to the Tools menu and check Menu Bar. In the menu bar click file and choose Work offline from the drop down menu. Dr.K. (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

According to IE7 help: offline viewing is one of the features removed from IE7, but you can save a webpage as a web archive. I think that is what you want. Click Page -> Save As and set Save as type to Web Archive. --teb728 (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

My IE7 version has a fully functioning Work-offline function. No problems here. Dr.K. (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

“Working offline” means working from the cache. IE6 had an additional feature called “make available offline,” whereby the content of certain favorites would be automatically cached (without one’s visiting them) for offline viewing. This feature was discontinued in IE7. --teb728 t c 19:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I find and edit my Java Script?

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 – See my comments on his/her talk page.

VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 04:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I want to add the popups script but I don't know how to find my Javea Script. I looked at everything in My Preferences but could not find it. - mbeychok (talk) 04:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Requesting to delete a page

What is the code to request to delete a page that you created. (Such as a User Sub-Page)

I'm pretty sure there is one, I can remember seeing it. DTGardner (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

{{db-userreq}} for userpages or {{db-author}} for other pages Mr.Z-man 04:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Inquiry

Hello, What is the UK's independence date? Britain's? How am I going to see your response since I can't provide my e-mail address? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.16.132 (talk) 05:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi! First question: As far as I know, Britain doesn't have an independence day, certainly not in the same way that America or India does since Britain was never a colony or territory of another nation. There is St George's Day which is England's national day; other parts of the United Kingdom have their own national days. Second question, questions are answered on this page. I will also leave a message on your talk page. Bonus answer: this page is actually for asking questions about Wikipedia. General knowledge questions will get a better response at the Reference desk. Thanks! -- Kateshortforbob 09:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Donation in Indian Rupees

I would like to donate some money in INR. For God's sake, provide a local account in India where I can freely remit the money. Your paypal, moneybooker are of no use. If you have a local account, I can instruct my banker to remit money. I think so many others like me in India who want to donate are frustrated. Have agency arrangement with some Intl. Bank like Citi Bank or HSBC. Please do something about this.

thanks

pv —Preceding unsigned comment added by Palaparthivr (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't know if this will be of any use, but you can directly deposit into Wikimedia's bank account (click "direct deposit" on the donate page) or mail a check ("check (by mail)"). NF24^{(radio me!)} 11:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Offline Editor

Anyone know of an offline edit program, akin to 'Frontpage' for Wiki software? So one could edit or create an article, and save it on their side(though still seeing the all the various wikimarkup), and upload when there is internet access(or when the article is suitable to be uploaded.) - Dureo (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You could use the latest version of OpenOffice, which will allow you to create a page as a document, then export it in MediaWiki markup. :-) Stwalkerster talk 11:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Openoffice will show the markup, markedup? As in bold italics formating and such. If so I may have to download it, I usually use Word '07 - Dureo (talk) 11:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Just copy/paste the text in the edit box to any text editor, then save the text/word/whatever file to your computer. The edit box has all the markup. But make sure that when you paste it back into the article, you account for any changes other people have made to it since then. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

NH Avalanche Hockey

Hello,

Last week I submitted an artile about my local hockey club, but I do not see it in the search. How can I find out where the article went? It was titled "NH Avalanche Hockey".

Thanks, Frank —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.196.54.199 (talk) 12:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Your request to create the article has been declined. See here to know why. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 12:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Using <math> for α in paragraphs

Is there any reason to prefer $\alpha \,$ (<math>\alpha \,</math>) in mathematical or physics articles, rather than $\alpha$ (<math>\alpha</math>) or even the single greek character α? I'm thinking of the Fine-structure constant article, which has many instances of $\alpha \,$ (<math>\alpha \,</math>) in paragraphs, and I can't copy the text in my browser since it renders as PNG. — PhilHibbs | talk 12:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It sometimes is more appropriate, I guess. The parser can render text in math tags quite poorly, sometimes. As for the character, not all browsers support it by default. x42bn6 Talk Mess 13:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Create pages in other language

How can I translate an existing page to another language?(eg-Malayalam)do i have to install a specific font?--Abhishekjacob (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.7.158 (talk) 12:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 59.93.7.158 (talk) 12:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Some might, for example, Chinese on Linux may need a font installed. Do you have any more information, such as the specific language, your browser and operating system? x42bn6 Talk Mess 13:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

im using windows xp and windows internet explorer. and the language i want is malayalam --Abhishekjacob (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

One way to test your font support is to visit the Malayalam Wikipedia. If it displays OK, then you probably have the font(s) you need.

But while a font may be necessary to display another language, it doesn’t perform any translation. You need a source of content in that language. Perhaps Malayalam Wikipedia is what you want; it contains articles written in Malayalam or already translated from other languages. If you want to translate other articles, perhaps someone could refer you to a translation service. --teb728 t c 19:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Upload picture

How can i upload a picture frn my computer to a page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.7.158 (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Image copyright tags, Wikipedia:Picture tutorial, Wikipedia:Uploading images, Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, and Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload for assistance. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 12:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, only registered user may upload pictures. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 07:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Charles Bent (chess) new page.

I started the new page "Charles Bent (chess)" mainly to avoid ambiguity with Charles Bent who was a civil war general. I gave a reference but it doesn't show at the page bottom. I need help to categorize the article: I read the guidelines but really did not understand how to do it. The cathegories should be chess / endgame study / english chess-related people. Thank you, --Gabodon (talk) 13:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The categories Category:Endgame study and Category: English chess-related people do not exist. What are the exact categories? There are similar categories already put in. x42bn6 Talk Mess 13:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I added those categories after it was requested here. I also added the reflist tag. Woodym555 (talk) 16:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

He already has an article at C. M. Bent. They must be merged. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have merged them. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Links and piping

The usual way to display text differing from the name of a linked article is to pipe it e.g. capital of Italy. A way of stopping short or even extracting part of the link's name to be the text shown could be useful.
It so happens that Wikipedia:Piped link uses as an example "Railway station" which were the words causing me to wish for a way of using only part of the link as text.
In List of London railway stations most of maybe 300 stations were linked like this Balham railway station and so each entry in the table was excessively repetitive and deep. I cleaned up the article and changed the links to be like this Balham. The untidiness of the displayed page has been moved by much copying and pasting to the text of the article.
Help:Pipe trick seems not to cover the matter.--SilasW (talk) 14:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Whenever there is repetition one could use a little template, in this case e.g. containing

|-
|[[{{{1}}} railway station|{{{1}}}]]
|[[{{{1|2}}}]]

or a more general [[{{{1}}} {{{2}}}|{{{1}}}]]

Patrick (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Help on Something to Sing about Page!!!

I need some help. When I check back on Something To Sing About page, someone added the notability. What can I do?Bamgermany2000 (talk) 14:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, you may read Wikipedia:Notability (films) and try adding the evidence of notability to the article. PeaceNT (talk) 15:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Log in problems

Several years ago I submitted an article titled Risdon Beazley, the article was subsequently deleted by someone as he said that the material had been taken from a website; the website was (and is) mine.

I have tried to log in to resubmit the article, but cannot, I think it may be because I still have an account under the account name Roy Martin or RoyVMartin. I have previously requested a new passport but none has arrived, this may be because I changed my ISP about two years ago and the new password has been sent to the old address.

Can you plaese assist?

Roy Martin

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.92.241 (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It appears you were Special:Contributions/RoyVMartin. If you cannot remember your password, and you no longer have access to the email address you used for that account, I'm afraid there is no way for you to regain access to the old account. Your best bet is to simple create a new account, and edit with that one. --barneca (talk) 16:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Websites are copyrighted unless otherwise stated. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials if you want to create an article again. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

What qualifies as a current sports-related event?

Given his current performance (he has the potential to set several NFL records this season), would the page on Tom Brady qualify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stismail (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd say so, make sure to use references if you make any claims in the article. — Rudget _{contributions} 21:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Email Confirmation

I am unable to have Wikipedia send me an email confirmation message. I put my email address (carefully checking it for correct spelling and format) in my Preferences and have used the Confirmation procedure several times, but have not received a confirmation code. Any suggestions how to resolve this? Thanks. DonFB (talk) 17:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Could your spam filter be blocking messages from Wikipedia? --barneca (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I use Mailwasher, which lets me see the subject line, sender, etc. of every message, even those marked as spam. I can change any to 'friend' when necessary. DonFB (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC) I used a Hotmail address and received a Confirmation message instantly. My earlier attempts gave my prodigy.net email address. It appears the Wikipedia software simply will not send an email to the prodigy domain, even though I successfully receive tons of spam at that address. DonFB (talk) 03:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

can not log in

As of Monday morning, I can not seem to log on under bgbrwnteddybear. I did report a scam over the weekend and I hope that the lack of signing on is because of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.130.5 (talk) 19:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

What happens when you try? Are you sure you've remembered your username and password correctly? Do you have Caps Lock on by mistake? Are you even on the right website? There isn't a User:Bgbrwnteddybear on the English Wikipedia (the first letter of a username is case-insensitive); maybe you registered on a different language version of Wikipedia, or a different project, or even a different website altogether? --ais523 19:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Article Submission

We live in the Aboite area and would like to submit a 50th wedding anniversary announcement. How do I go about it?

Thank You, Rd Neumann

First of all, congratulations on your 50th wedding anniversary! May you and your spouse have many more happy years together! Second, as for your question, Wikipedia is really not the appropriate place. You may want to see this, on What Wikipedia is not. If you would like to create an account, we would most definitely appreciate your contributions. However, I would suggest contacting your local newspaper about announcements such as these; the Wikipedia Reference Desk may be able to help you more in this matter. Good luck, and happy anniversary! Regards, Neranei (talk) 20:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

IP user vandalism

This user has vandalized my talk page after I warned him for vandalizing articles. What do we do to help block someone fast who is obviously not trying to edit Wikipedia constructively? --Endless Dan 21:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

If the user has had a final warning, then report them to WP:AIV :-) Stwalkerster talk 21:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I will bookmark that on my user page. The user has now been blocked. --Endless Dan 21:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

question regarding use of publicity photo

I am a bit confused. The new instructions about the use of photos seem to say two different things. The old photo was removed and replaced with a blank that says "Do you own one?" Then when you click on it, it says you have to be the copyright owner. These two sentences do not mean the same thing. I own a copy of a publicity photo of Bruce Payne that I obtained from Rising Star Galleries via EBay. I had always thought that such photos came with implicit permission to use them for reviews, articles or other legitimate purposes. So which is it? May we use this photo or not? [Do I have to produce the receipt? I certainly can. ] If not, don't you think this rule is going a bit too far? This is not a screenshot, after all.

Ariel23 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The sale of such photos does not constitute any kind of waiver of the copyright holder's rights. You own the physical picture, but no grant of reproduction rights accompanies such a purchase. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The point of asking whether you own the copyright is because of Wikipedia's strict fair use policy, which essentially prevents the use of images that are copyrighted where a freely licensed version may be available - such as in the case of a photo of a living person. If you own the copyright to a photo, you can release it under a free license. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"Proposed" Wikis.

I came across an extensive list of "proposed wikis" last week. I can't seem to locate it through searching or the browser's history.

Can someone please point me in the right directory to this page?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.9.230 (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You may have been looking for this? — Rudget _{contributions} 21:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The link wasn't exactly what I was looking for, the page contained a list of 'proposed' wiki sites that would be included in future wikipedia 'umbrella'. Most of the proposed site where in the format wikiTemplate:Some word. Some of the words included Wikitimescale, Wikicurrency, Wikistamps, Wikihow, Wikireceipe, Wikimaps off hand. Some of the wikis proposed have developed external test sites to 'prove' that this might be a suitable wikipedia in the future.

Thanks in advance.

• Are you sure they were called proposed wikis? WikiHow and the WikiCookbook are external project exactly because they don't fit the sort of things Wikipedia deals with. From your use of the term umbrella, you might be mixing up the terms Wikipedia and Wikimedia. The Cookbook is at WikiBooks. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• I guess you saw http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_projects or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects. The proposals are not for other "Wikipedias" but for other wikis. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia based on the wiki model. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks the http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_projects was exactly the page I couldn't find. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.9.230 (talk) 23:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

If it matters, a wiki called wikiHow already exists, and not just as a test site, but a real wiki. See WikiIndex for a list of several thousand wikis (the vast majority of which are not part of the Wikimedia Foundation that runs Wikipedia). Before you propose a new wiki, you should check on WikiIndex to see if such a wiki already exists. If you want to start your own wiki, see b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. --Teratornis (talk) 22:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Fact tag disappearance

In Comcast lead paragraph, one of the fact tags has suddenly disappeared. Could anyone look into it? --Kushal^t 21:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done - An I.P removed it. — Rudget _{contributions} 21:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. The fact that you left the factbox untouched (from [11] as I discovered later) makes it even more unbelievable. On a lighter note, have you ever considered changing your username to The Flash? lol Thanks once again. --Kushal^t 21:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It's okay. Why would I do that? :) — Rudget _{contributions} 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I just thought about The Flash because of your swift diagnosis and correction of the problem. I would like to add that it was supposed to be a compliment, in case you don't like The flash. --Kushal^t 21:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

That's made me laugh! I mean actually laugh. WP:BARN here we come! — Rudget _{contributions} 21:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I inserted the name in reverse how do I fix?

I started an article about Lewis Preston, who is an assistant basketball coach for the Florida Gators. The problem is that I inserted Preston Lewis as his name. His correct name is Lewis Preston. How do I correct this in the title. Sircez (talk) 22:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Done by GDonato. For future reference, you can use the "move" tab at the top of each page. However, this only appears when your user account is 4 days old. -- Kateshortforbob 23:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Soliciting a topic

I wonder if there should be a link in the main page of Wikipedia about soliciting a topic to be covered in the Wikipedia. Sometimes (although rarely) I search for something and I don't find any article about it (even after looking for spelling, alternative names, and disambiguation). Maybe people would like seeing the list of subjects and maybe even we could add the simplicity of starting an article on the subject just by clicking the link of the asked for subject, or just link to other article that already covers the information.

An example might be "Garolite". It is surprisingly nobody has written on the popular plastic (as of 11/26/07). I see an article on phenolics but no mention of Garolite, so I am not sure the relationship.

Thank you.

CHC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.174.163.37 (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You can request the article be created at Requested articles, or you can go a step further and write the article yourself and then post it at Articles for creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Instant deletion

I recently submitted a entry for the Front Range Bible Institute in Colorado Springs, Colorado that was instantly deleted for a copyright violation. I can not understand what copyright violation occured.

here is the entry I made:

Front Range Bible Institute

(copyrighted material removed) -Arch dude (talk) 11:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I do not see any copyright violations... could you help me figure out what I did wrong if anything. I read the submittla guidlines and I can not see any problems —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdfromhb (talk • contribs) 23:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Copying and pasting from a website is strictly disallowed. Please write an article in your own words. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Here's the deal: According to International copyright law (and US law since about 1987) almost everything is copyrighted by default, even if it is not marked. The copyright expires after a very long time: almost anything published before 1923 is no longer copyrighted. This means that the web page from which you took the information is copyrighted. If you are the original author of the web page then you own the copyright unless you created it while working for someone like the Bible Institute, in which case the copyright belongs to them. In either case the copyright owner (you or they) may grant a license: for example, you may add the following to the web site at the institute: "copyright(C) the institute, all rights reserved. Hereby licensed under the GFDL." with a link to the GFDL. after the owner grants this license, ou my copy the information into a Wikipedia article and cite the permission. -Arch dude (talk) 11:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

how doyou makea new article about a current event

i want to make a article about a new multi million dollar school in my area. its the richest highschool in marlyand andi want to be the first to report on it. help....?... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunz\ijji (talk • contribs) 23:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Your first article will be of interest of you. Search first to make sure the article isn't already there; high schools are already well-covered. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sakis Rouvas article

Dear Ms/Mr,

There was a good article abot Sakis Rouvas not so long ago. But now I wanted to read it again, and I realized, it is re-edited.It is just a short, "it says almost nothing"... Is it it possible, to read the whole article? Besides as I see all the articles are changed. I tell the truth, I do not like it at all. Your website was my favourite info site, but now it is terrible. Can you replace the original article? Or it will be stay the same? Or could you send me via e-mail? Or is there any possibility to reach the old edition?

Thank you for your help.

tomypety —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomypety (talk • contribs) 23:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a vandal got at the article. I've reverted to the last good version. It appears that the article was previously deleted because it was a copyright violation. Is that the "good article" you were talking about? NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You can see old versions of Sakis Rouvas by clicking the "history" tab at the top, but there is no longer version. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you have mixed up Sakis Rouvas and Sakis Rouvas discography? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't have access but it actually appears there has been longer Sakis Rouvas versions which were deleted from the article history, maybe because they violated Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

November 27

Category "abuse"

I don't know the proper etiquette for this situation, i.e. editing another person's user page. User:C0N6R355/Userboxes/cleardanger seems to have placed him or herself in Category:Films based on military fiction. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I frequently edit or comment mainspace categories out from userspace pages with an informative edit summary, but you can also drop a note at User talk:C0N6R355 and edit it out later if there is no reaction. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review

How would I go about requesting a peer review for an article? The Clawed One (talk) 00:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Peer review. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Username

I accidentally used the wrong user name for my profile. Do I have to delete my profile and start over or can I change it? If I do have to delete it, where do I do that at?? Thanks . . . .

Asperkourt (talk) 02:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This is your only edit so just create a new account. Accounts cannot be deleted. The name can be changed but it's easier to create a new account when you haven't edited yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

However, should you wish to change your name, you may make a request at WP:CHU. I (talk) 02:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

search

I typed in Boston for the group and got the city. There was no other references or lists for the word Boston. Could this web site be any more confusing or frustrating??? and there is no send button on this stupid page. What a piece of crap this site is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.120.72 (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, you didn't see Boston (disambiguation) right at the top before start of the Boston city text. I am sure, if you hang in for some more time in this site, you would perhaps never call it a crap. Anyway, happy browsing. DSachan (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If you go to the page Boston, you are redirected to Boston, Massachusetts. The first line of the page links you to Boston (disambiguation). A disambiguation page lists multiple uses of the same word and links them to their related Wikipedia articles. This disambiguation page should list the group you're looking for. There are several groups with that name, so just look through the list for the one you want. On a different note, please read Wikipedia's civility policy, and don't insult the people you want to get help from. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Boston redirects to Boston, Massachusetts which at the top says:

"Boston" redirects here. For other uses, see Boston (disambiguation).

Boston (disambiguation) has many links to things called Boston, including Boston (band). If you had clicked the "Search" button below the search box then you would get a list of search results [12] which also includes Boston (band). You apparently found "Save page" which I think is more descriptive for saving changes to an existing wiki page than "Send" would be. "Send" may be more appropriate for systems where you cannot change what has already been written by others. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I may realize your displeasure in not being able to find the article you want but, it's quite rude to make first contact with a person or group of people and insult the fruit of their hobbies, pastimes, or livelihood. Mac Davis (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

A page about my company: wanting to do it by the rules

I've been asked by the engineering firm I work for to start a Wikipedia page. The firm is mentioned several times in various articles across Wikipedia, but as yet there is no active page. I have looked around for Wiki projects to help me but there doesn't really seem to be one for engineering firms. I'm turning to this page to

I respect the principles of Wikipedia and given my COI I would like assistance in "authorising" the article. I of course recognise that it is then open to the editing process.

I have written suggested copy and coded it up on my talk page. I have made an honest attempt to include only facts and no marketing hype. I've also chosen a representative list of clients and projects for the firm that have their own Wikipedia pages.

The suggested page name would be Sinclair_Knight_Merz

Happy to discuss this with anyone via my talk page or here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathardy (talk • contribs) 03:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC) sorry forgot to sign --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). Finally, per the conflict of interest guideline, and it is good you recognize that there is a potential COI issue, you would likely be unable to edit the article neutrally. If your company is notable, the chances are it would exist already. If it is notable but does not exist, please consider submitting the entry to articles for creation with the proper sources, neutrally written, so that an uninvolved editor can create it to avoid conflict of interest. I glanced at your talk page, and what is there does not explain why this company is any more notable than the many others that do not have an article here, nor does it cite any reliable third-party sources. Please see the criteria for notability related to companies for further help with this. For more general information, see Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Hope that helps, Ariel♥Gold 03:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Despite the clear conflict of interest, I don't think you have made a bad start. At least you came here to ask for advice first before creating the page in the main article space, and then been surprised and annoyed if someone quickly deleted it again. To expand on what user:ArielGold has said above, I think it needs references from reliable 3rd party sources to back up the company's involvement in the major projects mentioned - for example, I'm sure you could track down articles in trade publications or on major UK or Australian newspaper sites mentioning the company's involvement in these projects. You could take a look at other construction industry articles to see how other editors have tackled this. Astronaut (talk) 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the article you wrote was a good article by Wikipedia's standards, and it only needs some citations or references, and to be stuck in the right categories for the category browsers. Most Wikipedia articles start out much humbler. Make sure when you're leaving a conversational message on Wikipedia to press ~~~~ for a signature and time so we can keep track of things. If you need any more help with anything on Wikipedia you can always ask at the help desk, or me or an administrator on their talk page. Mac Davis (talk) 04:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The article for creation page seems to be on the right track, but it appears to be for new and unregistered users, of which I am neither. Regarding citation, the firm is mentioned repeatedly in the emdia (eg. a factiva search for the last 12 months scores 137 returns for the Australian media alone and that's just for the full company name and not the acronym. Google gives me 150,000 returns. Do I just have to provide a representative slice of such secondary sources? Or do I have to cite each 'fact' that is reported? At present, the company obviously seems notable enough for other parties unknown to me to have written it into other Wikipedia articles. Thanks for the help so far. I feel a bit compromised doing this because I do have another personal Wikipedia life with this same user name. But I'm attempting this article in my work time at an employer's request.--Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 04:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Some suggestions. 1) It's too long; lose the "representative list of clients" and such like. Mention only the biggest gigs the firm has done, and those only if you can find third-party articles about them. 2) Make use of those other Wikipedia articles that mention this company. Why is it mentioned? That's relevance right there. 3) You need cites/sources for the very facts that make the firm notable: size, unique characteristics (without peacock words) and famous events it was involved in. 4) Omit anything that smacks of bragging, advertisement or special pleading; and anything vanity-stroking, like a roster of executives. 5) Continue on the noble path of full disclosure. 6) Be prepared for folks to have a knee-jerk reaction against the inherent Conflict of Interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

One thing you could do is tag it with {{COI}} right from the start, so people know you're aware of it. Mentioning it on the article's talk page will also help. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 14:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You mentioned:

• I have looked around for Wiki projects to help me but there doesn't really seem to be one for engineering firms.

You did not mention exactly where you looked. WikiIndex aims to be the most comprehensive listing of wikis, so that's a logical place to start. For example, Wikicompany wants to list every legally incorporated company in the world, so regardless of what may happen to your article on Wikipedia, you should write another article on Wikicompany, where you won't have as many editing constraints as here. Also check out Engineering Wiki, and the other wikis relating to engineering. And thanks again for checking on the Help desk first. --Teratornis (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about a WikiProject on Wikipedia, then WikiProject Engineering looks like it covers engineering companies as well as general engineering topics, so they may be able to offer some assistance. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

brain teazer

what is 4 L on C —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.130.175 (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea - brain teasers are not my strong point! However, this page is for answering questions about Wikipedia, so you may get a better response at the Reference desk which answers general knowledge questions. Alternatively, you could check out Brain teaser. -- Kateshortforbob 09:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Might be 4 Legs on Cats and many other things, but this is not the place. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

used transparent pet

please let me know how I can sell the transparent which have been used before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.12.9.2 (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you talking about pets, as in a companion animal - perhaps some kind of accessory? Alternatively, PET which is a type of plastic. Either way, this page is for answering questions about Wikipedia. You may have better luck at the Reference desk, which answers general knowledge questions. -- Kateshortforbob 09:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Eritria

what is the living condition in eritria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.71.144 (talk) 12:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

We have an article about Eritrea. Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Denis Griffiths, Welsh tenor

Resolved

I have created and edited an artickle about Denis Griffiths, the Welsh tenor who sang for the BBC in Wales and featured alongside Ivor Emmanuel in the popular 1960s TWW TV series 'Land of Song'. Although I have inserted some references/footnotes, they do not appear in the saved page. Can this be corrected please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkgriffiths (talk • contribs) 12:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed in [13]. There must be code to tell where to place the references. See more at Wikipedia:Footnotes. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Help With The Quiet Riot Page

The Quiet Riot page currently has a banner requesting help in 'cleaning up' the page. I attempted to edit a few of the paragraphs and wanted to contribute a new photo to the page as well. I have picture of the band which looks more traditional and is of a higher resolution than the one currently featured. I attempted to upload this image several times but was never successful and in doing so seem to have caused an error I cannot correct. Currently, the original image no longer appears and I have been unable to restore it. I have no desire to deface the page and wanted to alert somone so that this can be corrected as soon as possible.

PGW123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgw123 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply to question is on his/her talk page. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 13:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Having difficulties creating a new article for Laaza

Hello,

I have been trying to create a new article for Laaza. I have done some editing work in the wikipedia in past but this is the first time i have created a new article. The main difficulties i have faced is with the picture i have uploaded. The picture i had uploaded is a snapshot of the web page. This page is copy right protected and I have authority to use it. While i was editing the image it asked for the source and other thing about the image and I could not find where i could answer those questions. please guide me what should I do next. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajayadev (talk • contribs) 12:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems the article has been deleted. Make sure to read a guide to your first article. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Underlining header

Any idea how I can restore the line under the title of the article? Before when I selected always render PNG under "Math" in my preferences the line would appear across the page seperating the title from the article but now it isn't working. Perhaps it is the fundraising header thats stopping it? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 14:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Try "hiding" the message or clicking "HTML if possible or else PNG" in my preferences. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question about posting a new article

Hi,

I've signed up under the username Worthyfashion, which also happens to be the name of the startup company I work for. I'm trying to write an informational article (not an advertisement) on my company, but I was only able to create a user:worthyfashion page. I then moved it somewhere(I'm not exactly sure where), but it only comes up when one searches for the username Worthyfashion. How can I create a page about Worthy Fashion that will appear universally? Thanks

Worthyfashion (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it already appears universally, try searching Worthyfashion in the searchbox to the left. I must warn you though, in it's current state, it is likely to be speedily deleted as either spam/advertisement content. Best, — Rudget _{contributions} 16:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting a review or comments.

I was wondering where I'd be able to get some help on what to do to improve the McFly (band) article. I did ask in Requests for feedback but it didn't receive any replies. --Stacey _talk 15:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to peer review. It may take a few days though. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also kindly ask experienced members (that is, all that peer review is anyway); perhaps I'll take a look at it. Mac Davis (talk) 01:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Your section on the 16th Amendment of the Constitution is erroneous.

You stated on there that the "conspiracy theorists" who state the 16th amendment was never properly ratified cite no authority for their contentions. That is blatantly false. Please google William Benson who wrote a two volumn book on that very issue. He traveled to all the states and obtained copies of the so called ratification of that amendment and in fact proved that one of the states recorded the vote improperly which if correctly recorded would have resulted in the defeat of the amendment. That is only one example of the many problems he found.

I do not know how to edit this nor do I have the expertise to do so , but I would assume you would want the correct information on your site.... Here is one example or link.

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/boxer/benson.htm

Here is another one....

http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update2005-09-30.htm

Here is another one.

http://www.lawresearchgroup.com/cart/product.php?productid=141

Here is another one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Law_that_Never_Was

This last link shocked me, because you have the information and yet you state there was no authority cited by those who believe the amendment was not ratified or ratified illegally based on various state constitutions and procedures for such ratification. How come this is not cited as one of their authorities??? What about the court case in which Benson is now allowed to use his book in his defense and the IRS has not pursued further prosecution of him as he continues to refuse to pay his income taxes??? Now that he can use his extensively researcched book with documentation to support his contention, they know it would open a can of worms and cause havoc on the system. Your entire section on the 16th amendment is so biased I was shocked. It sounds like it was written by the IRS. Is that the case???? I am simply incapable of doing this myself as I am not an expert in computer work or editing. I would appreciate it if you would correct the problem yourself. Thanks.

My email address is <removed>

If possible I would like a response. If this is corrected I will support your work, otherwise, you have lost credibility with me and others if not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.135.68.231 (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how this is related to the functions of Wikipedia, you may want to be shown to reference desk. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

redirecting

I am not sure if this is the correct forum to ask this question, but I signed onto Wikipedia to look up the poem "the Jumblies" by Edward Lear (hoping to get some information on the poem or the author) and all I got was the " Breast" page. Is there anyway to change that redirect? The page, and the redirect were created by Wikipedia themselves and so it seems no outside changes work.--Jumblies (talk) 16:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems to work for me. See The Jumblies. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems you've solved this problem yourself - the Jumblies now exists as an article. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c) Jumblies used to redirect to Breast. I just changed it to redirect to The Jumblies. --barneca (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry if you want to make a poetry article. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question on e-mail address

I have registered my e-mail address on my account. But recently someone has been trying to hijack my account. I know this because I keep receiving "New temporary password for Wikipedia" e-mails which I didn't request myself. Is it safe to remove my e-mail address from my account so these would stop? After all, it is optional. Or should I just ignore the messages to be on the safer side (I even made a filter on my e-mail account to make sure)? BTW, I have received five or seven of these in this month alone. Sorry if this is not the correct place to ask you this... - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

That basically means that someone's sending you password retrieval passwords frequently in an attempt to annoy you. Filtering them from your email is a reasonably sensible thing to do in such a circumstance. The problem with removing an email address altogether is that although that's legitimate, it will mean that you won't be able to recover your password if you do forget it, whereas you could just remove the filter with your present situation. The messages should tell you the IP of the person trying to recover your password; if the same IP shows up a lot there, you may want to bring the situation to the attention of administrators (at the admins' incident noticeboard). Oh, and you probably know this already, but such messages are safe to ignore if you didn't ask for them; your old password continues to work. --ais523 16:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I know. I deleted the password requests to the trash, so I can't confirm if this is the same person. The filter that I also installed directs the password retrieval request e-mails to the trash. I will put the IP address on my general sandbox for comparison. In case another one comes, I'll list it. But what if there are different IP are doing the same thing even if they have the same initial digits? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 17:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is editing so impossible?

I found a really stupid blooper, but maybe I'm even stupider than it because I can't figure out how to fix it. Every click leads to yet another dead end. Why does Wikipedia make editing so impossible? (And why does "Wikipedia" show as a misspelling in this form?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.152.72 (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It would help explain why you're running into trouble if you told us what article had the error, what the error was, and how you tried to fix it and couldn't. --barneca (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Which page did you try to edit and what happened? If it's not protected then there is an "edit this page" tab at the top. Click that, or click "edit" to the right of a section you want to edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• As for why "Wikipedia" is shown as a misspelling in the textbox: computers are dumb. They don't know how to spell a word unless you give them a dictionary of words to search. Your computer doesn't know "Wikipedia" is a correct word, so it marks it incorrect, just as the spelling checker in my word processor does with my name. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Etiquettes-

Mr&Mrs Or Mrs&mr-which is the correct form of address? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.73.168 (talk) 18:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for coming and visiting us here at Wikipedia! We appreciate your coming here. Unfortunately, this desk is for questions related to the working of Wikipedia. However, we have a desk (the reference desk) for all sorts of factual questions including yours. Just ask over there! Regards, Neranei (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What do i do?

I want to contribute information to wikipedia. the problem is that i don't know how. can you help me? Rholloway71 (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The following (template:welcome) has been added to your talk page and is repeated here, it may help. If you have further questions please ask. RJFJR (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No edit option?

On this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King's_Inns there is no edit option for the first section apparently, which contains some errors that i wish to correct.

What to do?

Thank you, Carraig2 (talk) 19:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC).

For the introduction, you have to click the edit this page button at the top, then for sections you can either click [edit] or use the edit this page button at the top. Qst 19:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Pics

How do I delete a file I uploaded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Careered (talk • contribs) 19:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You cannot, only users who are administrators have the ability to delete pages, as well as protect pages and block vandals. Qst 19:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe you can also place {{db-author}} on the image page, and an admin will review the request and delete if appropriate. I assume you're talking about Image:Brooks inst.jpg, which is not used in any article, doesn't have copyright info, and was uploaded by you earlier today. --barneca (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

editing an article

I am trying to edit the article on geographic profiling, and have created an account (librarysloth). When I click to edit the page, all that appears to be editable is the reference list. Am I missing something? I am new to this... sarah aka librarysloth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Librarysloth (talk • contribs) 19:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Click the "edit this page" link right at the top of the page. This will allow you to edit the whole article. -- Kateshortforbob 19:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You ran into this problem because the Geographic profiling article only has a lead section and the references section. Only the latter section has a section-edit link, so you have to edit the whole page at once as the above reply instructs. You might want to read WP:LAYOUT to see how a better-developed article will have more sections (and each additional section heading will get its own section-edit link). See WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and WP:CITET if you want to edit the references or add more. You may want to keep the cheatsheet open in a browser tab for reference while you edit. And welcome to Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Girlscout troop

I am trying to find a web-site on how to curl I would like to teach my girlscout troop about this winter sport but, I myself do not know a single thing about Curling nor can I find a website that explains it to me. Could someone please share some info with me. <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.174.213.22 (talk) 20:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This is for Wikipedia related problems, we can't help you here, sorry. Qst 20:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The Reference desk may be able to provide some information, and our article on Curling could be of some use, and this link should provide some good external sites for you. I've removed your email address for your security. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Or try the Canadian Curling Association website

www.curling.ca

It has a learn to curl section. Wanderer57 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Request to split an article

I believe the "Convertible" article should be split, with the "Cabriolet" section becoming a separate article titled "Cabriolet (carriage)". Is this something I can do myself (if so, how?) or should I ask an administrator to do it? Fbarw (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You can put the template {{splitsection|Cabriolet (carriage)}} on the top of the section in question. Wait for a discussion on the talkpage. Remember that silence equals consensus. Then, you can simply create the new article yourself and replace the section with {{main article}}. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll try this. But what happens to links from other articles to the old and new articles, and to redirects? Are they changed automatically or does this have to be done one by one? Fbarw (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Hart, Major League Baseball

Date of birth should be 12/29/82 and place of birth Cleveland, Ohio

Dickie Gene —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickie Gene (talk • contribs) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and fix it yourself. That's what a wiki's all about! NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Please help me find...

Dear friend: I need to find out the distance between Ontario Airpor, Ca., to Cudahy, Ca. PLEASE! Thank you so much!

BILL D. (a 74 1/2 year old visually impared veteran). Retired, but now refired! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.158.185 (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Bill. Though this is the help desk for learning how to do things here on Wikipedia, I had a free moment and looked it up for you. It's just over 40 miles. Jeffpw (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

wiki in the workplace

how can i use wiki in my company? 22:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? If you want you can visit wikipedia from your work computer. If you want you can have your own wiki by downloading mediawiki from this website--Phoenix-wiki ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Also see:

• Corporate wiki
• Wikinomics (book)
• b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki

--Teratornis (talk) 07:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

company wiki

how can I create a company wiki? 22:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Download mediawiki from this site--Phoenix-wiki ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you set it up so only registered users can edit?

Someone has been messing around with the Bo Pelini (potential Nebraska coach) page and it is a mess and its mostly unregistered users. DandyDan2007 (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is the place you want. Be sure to request semi-protection. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Protection policy

Internal link to a closely related term?

Currently Wikipedia has no terms volatile sulfur compounds nor its abbreviation VSCs. At this time I do not wish to start them either.

I only want to internally link the words volatile sulfur compounds with the existing term organosulfur compounds.

How do I make such a special internal hyperlink to an existing Wikipedia term that is not identically worded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zymatik (talk • contribs) 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Zymatik. What you do is make a piped link like this [[organosulfur compounds|volatile sulfur compounds]]. The text on the left side of the pipe (one of these: "|") tells the software what to link to and the text on the right of the pipe tells the software what to display. For more on linking, see WP:LINK. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I think what you want to do is redirect the alternate wordings to the article. To do this, create an article under the alternate wordings with just

#redirect [[organosulfur compounds]]

as the content. This will direct anyone who goes to those pages to the article. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The technique worked like a charm for the article Finings. I wound up using the technique to at least 4 other articles. I'll save the tip in my Wikipedia tips files (Notepad files; on my PC) for future reference.--Zymatik (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edit [14], please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Overlinking and underlinking: what's the best ratio?. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you make an article?

Hi, my name is Haley and i am curious to make a factual article, and not fool around with other articles. I am here for a factual article, and i want to know how to make one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.83.43 (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Flagicons

I have a question to ask about flagicons. Was there a decision to remove them from articles? There is a user that has been taking a number of them down from articles and before I began reverting, I figured I'd ask. Thanks in advance. --Candy156sweet (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you discuss with the user first. Others have already posted to User talk:Aspects if that's the user you have in mind. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I've posted to ask him on his talkpage. Thanks! --Candy156sweet (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:FLAG - "Flag images, especially flag icons in biographical infoboxes, should not be used to indicate birth or death places, as this may imply an incorrect citizenship or nationality." Funeral 23:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

She undid all of Aspects edits, i don't think she saw this. I'll leave her a note on her talk page. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Since it was my edits that brought it up, I responded on my talk page. I obviously need to cite the manual of style page when I make this futures edits, so people know why I am changing the page. She reverted all of her reverts. Aspects (talk) 00:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Improving an article

Hello,

I created an article on the film director, Samuel Kevin Day. I have seen some of the movies that he has directed and produced and noticed that there is not a page on him. I wrote an article and it has been deleted. What can I do to improve my article os that it will stay posted?

Thank you very much. You can find Samuel Kevin Day in IMDB database, in the movie section of any newspaper and in Blockbuster and HOLLYWOOD VIDEO STORES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farra101 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You must provide references to establish notability per the notability guidelines for people. Otherwise it will be speedily deleted, like it has been already. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

November 28

Statistics on Editing

Is there somewhere to look at statistics (or a graph) on the level of editing activity on Wikipedia?

Why am I asking? - Based on my little watchlist, I get the impression the current (this week) level is low, and I wonder how to check.

Thank you. Wanderer57 (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe Special:Statistics and Wikipedia:Statistics may be of use to you. Interestingly, my watchlist has been more active this week than in weeks past. NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it is a bit above normal. [15] Prodego ^talk 01:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both. That is some graphing system! Wanderer57 (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad Link Needs to be Fixed

Hi,

I've noticed that a link on the page for "Toastmasters" is bad. If you scroll down to the external links and click on "TI History at a Glance" you'll see that it goes to a web page that's not working. Toastmasters has updated their Web site, so I think the link should now go to: http://www.toastmasters.org/FunctionalMenuCategories/CompanyInformation/History.aspx

Alternately, they have a page with a timeline: http://www.toastmasters.org/FunctionalMenuCategories/CompanyInformation/Timeline.aspx

I'm not the person who worked on this article. How can we fix it?

Thanks for any help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.231.200 (talk) 00:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Y Done Since I had a moment, I've gone ahead and pointed the link to the first page. In the future, you can click the "edit" links next to a section (or "edit this page" at the top of a page) to fix things yourself - that's the beauty of a wiki! NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Entering the bad link in the Internet Archive shows [16] that it went to the information at the other link which is now called timeline. But I will let it be. The main site is already the first external link so it's questionable whether there should be any second external link to the site. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Suspected Plagiarism?

I've looked at the pages on handling suspected plagiarism, and am confused about how to flag a section of an article. (I'm not yet familiar with transclusion and subpages.)

Specifically, the article on Founding Fathers of the United States has a section on Religion, which seems to be taken directly from Adherents.com. Although the article cites the source, the size of the quoted material and the way it was incorporated into the Wikipedia article suggests plagiarism. I haven't been able to find a copyright policy on Adherents.com, so I don't know if they have given permission for their website to be quoted in this way. (In addition, the way Adherents.com was cited does not conform to Wikipedia standards.) SlowJog (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it is a direct cut and paste and citing to the page it came from (which I didn't see) would not in any way make it less infringing (though it is a strong indication that the person who added the material, however misguided, was operating in good faith). I have removed the section in its entirety. I have come across situations where the Wikipedia text actually came first and the external site quotes Wikipedia. This does not appear to be the case here. As for flagging, if you find sections such as this, remove them with prejudice.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I discovered in the article history that there was a prior religious section which had been replaced with the infringing text. I have added that preexisting section back in.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hot springs

Does your site list any locations to hot springs/natural mineral pools?

See Category:Hot springs and List of spa towns. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Where's the magic button?

I clicked on something recently that made the notice about the contest for editing disappear. (I think it was on my watchlist display, but I'm not certain. Might have been my talk.)

Is there some way to get the notice to reappear, or is it gone forever?

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 01:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Clear your cookies. Prodego ^talk 01:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You are great! Thank you. Wanderer57 (talk) 02:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Renaming picture

Resolved

Can I as an admin rename a picture? I didn't find anything about it on Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide or Wikipedia:New admin school. — Sebastian 03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin but Help:Moving a page says: Even though the pages in all namespaces have a "move" link, a page cannot be moved if it is in the image or category namespace. To change the name of an image, one needs to upload it again, and copy the image description. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! — Sebastian 03:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Inserting an image into an article

I had no trouble uploading the image into it's own page, but your hint on how to insert an image at the top of an article isn't helpful. You say to "insert" it, but you don't say how to insert it. I go to the top and there is a world icon that tells me if I want to add an image I should upload the file. I upload the file but it isn't inserted into the article. <removed email> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pennypalmersporch (talk • contribs) 03:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Image_markup and/or Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Advanced Template Syntax

Resolved

I copied {{WPRock}} to make {{WikiProject Elvis Presley}}, for the assessment scales. However, there's one line coming out of the code on mine and I can't figure out why. If you could look over it, I would greatly appreciate it. Lara❤Love 05:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Krimpet fixed it. Thank you! Lara❤Love 05:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Creating an article

Where do you go to to create a new article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheaboo (talk • contribs) 05:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. You can read about creating new articles on this page: Wikipedia:Your first article. Good luck! - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Negative and Positive Numbers In Watchlist

Resolved

There are red negative numbers and green positive numbers beside my username/articles I have edited...what is their significance? (Joey James (talk) 07:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC))

They represent the number of characters added or removed to the page in that edit (approximately). --Sopoforic (talk) 08:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

They represent the change in the size of the article. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That explains it! Thanks! --Joey James (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ranger 8

I've done some research here, but nonetheless I'm unclear if the text on this NASA webpage is indeed covered by a copyright. The Ranger 8 article is a word-for-word duplicate. The ambiguity of my understanding is compounded because NASA images are not copyrighted...I would like someone with copyright experience to help out here. Thanks in advance! E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 08:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not great with copyright, but I'd say it's a copyvio - the disclaimer only covers Still Images, Audio Files and Video, not text, so text is copyright by default IMO. Might want to ask at WP:COPYRIGHT. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Copyright problems is probably a good place to start, actually. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I don't see a forum there. Thanks though, for thinking about this problem with me. I'll simply start by bringing the issue up on the article's talk page. E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 08:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's probably the best way forward - please leave me a note to say how you went. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

As it turns out, I decided to make some noise about it. I followed the instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems & added the template. If I'm mistaken, there isn't much consequence; an admin will simply restore the article. If I was right and brought it up on the talk page (which hadn't been used in two years...) it likely wouldn't have been looked at in quite some time. E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 08:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

skin

i changed the skin to my wikipedia but then it no longer allows me again to change the skin for the color is so lame. please help me to restore back to its original skin... thank you so much. hope i can get the answer the soonest possible time. thanks again... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einalemnna (talk • contribs) 09:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, to change the skin you click on my preferences in the top right of the page, then click on Skin tab, select the skin you wish to change to, and then click the Save button. Hope this helps... --Kudret abi^Talk 09:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

There is a known problem changing away from some skins in some situations. Try this link. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

page up for deletion

How can I edit the page I created to a way in which the content would not be deleted? I've updated it with more references and links to provide the necessary proof needed to show that the information is accurate. Is there more that needs to be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gatamanga (talk • contribs) 10:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Mhh, what is the article you are referring to? Articles must have some notability and be referenced to reliable and neutral sources. Could you please provide a link to the article, and I will help you further. Cheers, Qst 10:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess from your contributions that you refer to Monique Dupree. It has the {{notability}} tag which doesn't mean it's "up for deletion" (a term used when something has been nominated for deletion, for example with {{afd}} or {{prod}}). Please see Help:Section for section heading formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Block templates

Is there any problem with removing block notification templates from the talk pages of users who aren't blocked? Spaghetti3 has been getting a bit slap-happy and it looks like he's added templates to all of his friends pages. I'm more concerned about this possibly misleading other editors than the accounts themselves, which appear to be mostly for vandalism around The Becket School and Jervis Johnson (which I'm currently trying to unravel). Thanks -- Kateshortforbob 10:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. Only admins should add block templates, except in clear cases where they've forgotten. Adding block templates to unblocked accounts is pretty much vandalism. Pedro :  Chat  10:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Further looks like User:Qst has sorted a lot of them. Spaghetti3 has got a final warning from me - any more disruption and he'll get the warning - backed up with an actual block... Pedro :  Chat  10:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll give him a polite warning (If Pedro has not already) I didn't get a chance to comment here, as I had to step away from the computer for a few minutes. Qst 10:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing those up, Pedro & QST - I got distracted trying to figure out what on earth is going on with those articles. I'm not sure whether requesting semi-protection would be useful, since a lot of these accounts are probably "aged" enough by now, but 40+ vandalism/reversion edits on The Becket School over the past 2 days seems excessive. I'll keep an eye on them, anyway. Thanks again! -- Kateshortforbob 11:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Security in the Watchlist "View and Edit" page

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I have no idea if this is the right place to ask this...if not please just give me a link to the right forum...

I notice that although I do not have a way to edit my watchlist "view and edit" page (it is not a page with an "edit this page" possibility at the top, you can only add and subtract things...although I wish it did so I could organize it!) someone else has a way to get in there and change things around. For instance, many times I am shown to be watching some entry like "N(word)'s Gone Wild" or "Teens F*cking". I am actually interested in neither of these subjects although I imagine that many people are.

But I wonder then too, given such access, if someone could just erase my whole list? And since there is no "History" tab to restore it it is distressing. It seems like someone would have to have admin status to screw with an account this way, like maybe someone who once had power and because disgruntled and cyber-postal. I don't have any enemies on here, and am not a dispute-y type person (on the Wiki...at Home Depot maybe) and so this is all disconcerting to me.

Please advise! Saudade7 11:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Nobody can edit your watchlist (maybe admins can, but not general wikipedians). Is it possible that you have edited these pages at some stage? It may be the case that you are watching all topics that you edit by default (in my preferences -> watchlist.) You can edit the order of your watchlist by clicking "Edit raw watchlist", or following this link. Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 12:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin's can't edit someone's watchlist. I think only a developer would be able to get that level of access. Pedro :  Chat  12:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

If things are turning up in your watchlist that you've never edited/watched, it is likely because of move vandalism. Someone has moved a page (typically to something rude, hence the titles you mentioned), and the new name gets added to your watchlist. Some on-the-ball editor moves the article back to it's correct name, but unfortunately, you've still got the dodgy title on your list. -- Kateshortforbob 12:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If a page on your watchlist is moved by anybody then the new name gets on the list and the old name stays there. If it's moved back then the name it temporarily had stays on your watchlist. It sounds like a vandal moved pages on your watchlist to obscene names. Ordinary editors and administrators cannot see your watchlist, not delete pages from it, and only add pages to it by moving pages that happen to be there already. Developers have more access. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Watching pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow! So Fast with the answers! Thanks everyone. I do believe that Kateshortforbob and PrimeHunter are on to the secret -- this makes sense to me as, despite the other suggestions, I am not in the habit of editing teen sex etc. articles! Too funny. Thanks everyone it all makes sense now! Saudade7 12:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• Take a look at Wikipedia:User scripts. If anyone created functionality to sort watchlisted pages, it will be there. The reason there are no edit and talk tabs is because the watchlist is a special page and those are not adaptable by regular page edits. Editable parts are stored in site messages which can only be edited by admins and others with extra abilities. You are the only one who can edit the entries in the list. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 13:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Skeptical about user's picture copyrights

This user has uploaded several pictures of questionable origins. The picture of dogs he has uploaded states they are pics that he has taken of HIS friends dogs (all his friends apparently own labradoodles) but the pictures are a bit fishy. The user has a history of uploading pictures of dogs that are not correctly attributed and they strike me as breeder pics. There is no way I could prove this without searching through breeder pics, but what do you recommend?--Endless Dan 13:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the pictures and they look totally normal to me. There is nothing to suggest that they are breeder photos. The user has only uploaded four pictures and only two of those are of labradoodles. The other two are of other types of dogs. Plus they are not labelled in a repetitive way which suggests they really *were* taken at different times (like "My friend's dog" and "Dog in Australia in 2003". S/he replaced a photo with a better clearer photo in one instance, and that is helpful. I think that unless you can prove that they are taken from somewhere/someone else there is nothing left to do. They look no different than pictures I have taken of my own pets. They don't look professional or well lit. The image of the dog lying on the grass wouldn't be especially good if you were trying to showcase the breed's special traits, which is what I assume a breeder would wish in a photo. But I am not an expert, I guess I just don't *see* what you see and what is bothering you. Saudade7 13:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess its the borders around the pics. And the user has had other pics removed (noted on their talk page). I guess there is nothing I can really do about it, so I'll let it go.--Endless Dan 14:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

the duty of care

what is the difference in the position of the duty of care in England than to the postion of the duty of care in Ireland??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.1.49 (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

User Contributions

When looking at "My contributions", or another User's contributions for that matter, is there an option to show only the most recent edit to a particular article? For instance I'd be quite interested to get a list of all the articles I've contributed to, but given that in some cases I've made very many edits to a single article over a period of time, the standard presentation becomes too unwieldy. --rossb (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, how about the wannabe_kate edit counter? It groups your edits into categories and lists the 15 most edited pages in each category. Link. --Kudret abi^Talk 21:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Recently Deleted Edit

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to find out why a recent edit to the Denver, Colorado page was deleted. How may I inquire about this?Corebizstyle (talk) 16:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Edits are reverted for a number of reasons, vandalism is probably the most common, but also adding spam links, not editing neutrally, adding information without proper sources is at times removed, most usually with regards to living persons biographies, and any number of other reasons. Without knowing which edit you are referring to, a guess is all I could give you, as your only edit with that account is to ask this question. If you have a diff you could provide, that would help. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 16:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c because I type slowly) You can use the "history" tab at the top of the Denver, Colorado article to see who added (and deleted) what. In this case, it appears User:Will Beback has twice deleted the external link that User:Denverco has added to the article; you could ask him about it on his talk page, or (based on your user name) since you appear to have a conflict of interest in adding this link, you could discuss it on the Denver talk page. I would suggest you read through our policies on conflict of interest and sockpuppetry before you start that conversation, as it will help you get your bearings. --barneca (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you name your page?

how do you name your page so that when you shearch for whatever you will find it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.175.160 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I fully understand your question. Titles for articles are chosen according to the manual of style; they are not chosen to facilitate searching (other than trying to chose titles which people are likely to recognize). If several titles could reasonably be used, the article is created with the most common name and the other names are made as redirects. There are several ways to search Wikipedia, see Help:Searching. Additional methods which are used to find pages are categories. Does this answer your question? --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that new pages take some time (maybe a day or two) to be indexed by Wikipedia search. This happens automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How can we serve the leprosy

Praise The Lord From MSFS Agency, India 28 th November, 2007

Sub: - Inviting for celebration happy Christmas with leprosy children

Dear Sir/Ma'am,

Greetings & best wishes from Morning Star Fellowship Society(MSFS),Chandigarh.India.We are a service providing for leprosy {NGOs}in India for past 13 years. Hence, we want donate your funds to a needy lepers in all over India through FCRA to get tax exemption benefits and to help the needed organization who are supporting so many humanitarian causes and relief works. We are welcoming the comments and creative ideas from you. Your privacy is assured. This is the first time ever we are writing to you. We feel it will be good to introduce to you about our society. The name of the society is" Morning star Fellowship Society"(MSFS).It was regd.under the Registration of Societies Act 1860 and has been involved in the welfare programmes of leprosy patients who are accommodated in various Colonies in punjab, Haryana,Himachal, Chandigarh and some parts of UP. It has been committed to its cause since 1995.I am happy to introduce myself to you. I am Mr.Balaraman, the President of the Society of Morning Star Fellowship, a non profit Organization, working for the poor people in the areas. To day no organisation ever has come forward to help out these lepers. These lepers are migrated from various parts of the country and they are excommunicated from their village and houses. Since I had been a leper for sometime, I know and experience the pain being a leper for past 38 years of my life. After I was cured, I started this organisation with the help of few generous souls who wanted to help these poor lepers.

We have selected only 36 different colonies who are passing their days in darkness of their life. Once a while we get small grants from the Government as pension for the elderly and sick. With these grants I am managing the whole Society. We have about 1680 to 1690 lepers in these colonies all they are dying without care or support. I visit these colonies once a month. With the help that we get from the Government as pension, we are able to only maintain their day today life. However we are not able to give them a permanent relief by which they can live on their own. I have heard that your organisation that also doing the same work that we do here in this part of our country. I would like to know more from you in which way you can be of help to us. I have all the facilities that more Organization must have especially the man power. I would request your guidance and an possible. Our main aim is to first treat their sickness who are unable to get proper treatment like regular dressing of their chronic wounds bleeding. We have taken the survey there are 894 cases, nerve pain there are 364 cases, cancer 4 casaeseye disease,121 cases, nose bleeding 52 cases, piles 163 cases, asthma 186 cases diabetic 314 cases, blood pressure 195,abdominal 94 cases etc without proper medicines be treatment many have died. In this regard, we need urgent relief from your side which would great help these poor leper people.

Dear Sir/Madam, I would be happy and indeed thankful to you if you could give us a helping hand in helping more leprosy people here in this part of our country. Your contact with our organization can be a great help in helping many and more lepers in this part of our country. I would give all the details of our organization after hearing from you. Waiting to hear from you I remain positive reply. You may visit and verify our work if you have any doubt. With love and prayers, Mr. Balaraman President

This is not the place to ask for donations for your charity, sorry. Qst 17:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of new articles

As a frequent help desk "helper" I have noticed that people often ask here when their article is deleted, and I have started to notice a source of frustration amongst (often newbie) editors. I know we have an ongoing problem with articles on non-notable subjects or company advertising, but it does seem to me that on occasions the deleting admins are a little too keen. On more than several occasions, a new page has been deleted before the editor has had a chance to finish it. It must be extremely frustrating for an editor to start developing their page and save their first draft, only to have it deleted - sometimes within minutes - before they have had a chance to flesh it out with the references that assert the subject's notability, for example. Surely, the deleting admin can make note of a possible notability/advertising problem, and then come back to the page in an hour or two to see if it has improved - deleting it if there is a clear problem, or flagging it if it just needs improvement. Astronaut (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

As a newpages patroler, I know what garbage enters wikipedia on a regular basis. I also appreciate the difficulty in creating an article as a newbie editor. I have found however that most people who create an article are vocal enough to let themselves be heard if an article they have created is deleted. Unfortunately, more often than not, the reason for deletion really is that the article satisfies the SCD. I won't say there are never any mistakes, but in general, when mistakes are made, they are quickly fixed. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• Astronaut, I don't know how much spare time you have on your hands, but I don't always have the time to check an entry again after one or two hours. Besides, people ask why their entries get deleted, when they get clear instructions on an empty page to hit the deletion log and see the reason the administrator provided. If anything goes wrong, it is someone not providing a clear enough explanation. We should promote people preparing articles outside the main namespace - I usually start inside my userspace. That way, an entry isn't deleted for lacking references when it is just a first draft. (Anyway, I believe anyone who is suffering from that problem is writing their article in the wrong order. References come first) - Mgm|^(talk) 23:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, some articles should start in user space. And some should stay there. My experience as a new pages patroller is that many people are surprised and hurt that they can’t have an autobiography on Wikipedia. It seems to me that the deletion warning template should suggest putting an autobiography on their user page. --teb728 t c 01:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I wrote some thoughts on the deletion problem on User:Teratornis/Outplacement. --Teratornis (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorting of names in categories

I was just pointed at category:ballet dancers. It seems most articles are sorted per last name, but some by their first names. It seems to have something to do with 'special' names. The ones formatted as two words of normal charactes seem to be listed with their last name, and the rest by their first name. Is there any way to fix that? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You may alread know some of this. Sorting is determined by how the names are listed on the individual articles. If somebody puts [[Category:Metal demangers|Joe Slobotnik]] instead of [[Category:Metal demangers|Slobotnik, Joe]], the article sorts by Joe instead of Slobotnik. If you're talking about names that start with Č or Ł, I seem to recall that there is a work-around for Unicode characters, but darned if I remember the details. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I had no clue. I always just [[Category:Metal demangers]] and assume it will be alright. So I should pipe them with the subject name, in 'sorting form' and if it contains unicode, pray? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

For the full detailed story, go to WP:CATEGORY#Category sorting. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And pay special attention to the {{DEFAULTSORT:Slobotnik, Joe}} trick. Put this in once above the first category instead of putting a pipe in each category. Then read the sordid details when you need exceptins in specific categories. -Arch dude (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Pesky table width

I have been trying to make the discography table on Buono! match the article's corresponding musical infobox by setting the former's length as a decimal value between 68 and 69%. If I choose 68% the table isn't wide enough...if, on the other hand, I set it for 69%, it becomes wider than I intended it to be.

In the light of the above I would honestly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to work around this issue. --Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried an absolute value? Eg. "300px" instead of "68%" <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 18:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if I did that wouldn't the table look weird on big screens? I've seen tables using absolute values that look pretty weird in 20" high-resolution screens. I wanted to make sure everyone got the best layout possible. -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 18:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it would look weird, it would still be the same size in relation to the text inside. I think the infobox is an absolute size anyway (anybody confirm?) <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 19:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

On my screen it doesn't seem to make much difference when you go up %1 from 68% to 69%. What exactly are you trying to achieve? What do you mean when you say 68% is not wide enough, or when you say 69% is too wide? --Kudret abi^Talk 21:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I want to make the table listing their single releases wide enough so that, if you were to draw a vertical line coming out of the left edge of the infobox template, the two tables (the right edge of the singles table and the left edge of the infobox) would intercept each other. Preferably something that worked on all screens and screen resolutions -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Unlikely to happen. Internet Explorer (not 7) has issues with padding and margins, and spacing in general. And it will not work unless you can guarantee the discography box will always be underneath the infobox - which is impossible (I can remove text on top). I'd suggest a simple 100% should be used - then the CSS floats will determine the layout - rather than trying to force a specific way for each resolution. x42bn6 Talk Mess 22:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not using Internet Explorer but rather Mozila Firefox 2.0.0.9. Is the problem you mentioned exclusive to IE?

I suspect it works like that for all browsers, but I guess I had to ask. -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is a general statement. Things will also depend on screen resolution, size of the window etc. For some people the table will appear below the infobox, for some it will appear side by side. And a user can always resize the window to whatever he wants, so it is very difficult to come up with something that would look exactly the same for all possibilities. It could be possible to come up with something for this at a lower level (e.g. mediawiki), but it would be quite difficult if not impossible using the wiki markup I think... --Kudret abi^Talk —Preceding comment was added at 23:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to thank all those who were kind enough to reply to my questions. You've all be very helpful. -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You are very welcome, please feel free to come back anytime in case of further questions. Best, --Kudret abi^Talk 23:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

how to revert pages

I don't understand how to revert a page. How do u do it?

At the top of the page click history, then click Undo next to the change you want to undo. <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 18:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And see WP:REVERT for more information. x42bn6 Talk Mess 18:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Perushim

There was an omitted statement on that page that I would like to see and may be able to provide a reference for. I am very familiar with this subject and suspect it may have been flagged for political reasons.

Thank you in advance, Efroim Snyder —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redcowgreencow (talk • contribs) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I see you added a reference in [17]. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for preferred ways to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do i make a new article

How do i make a new article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.28.59.253 (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I report a user who is vandlizing the site?

Resolved

I found a single vandelism in an article and corrected it, but I also looked up the user's past edits. All they do is vandelize articles adding things like "blah blah blah" and links to irrelevant gaming sites. Can this user get banned & how do I report it to an admin who can do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3countylaugh (talk • contribs) 18:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

If the user has recieved a final warning, they can be reported to WP:AIV. :-) Stwalkerster talk 18:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

First, the most have recieved a warning on their talk page. Such warnings can be found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. Then, if they continue to vandalize after being warned, report them to WP:AIV. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a ton, they were destinted for WP:AIV as they already had their final warning.3countylaugh (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not being sent a confirmation email

I cannot activate my accounht for sending/receiving email from other users because I am not being sent a confirmation email after several attempts. My spam filter is not blocking the confirmation email. Gaiarising (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you check you entered the correct email address? :-) Stwalkerster talk 19:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just checked, and my email address is entered correctly on my preferences page. I need to communicate with VanTucky and cannot do so without email confirmation. :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaiarising (talk • contribs) 19:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Unless you need your communication to be private, you can always leave VanTucky (or anyone else) a message on his talk page in the same way that you are posting here (click this link to get to his talk page). His signature in your welcome message also has a link to his talk page (the 'Talk' bit at the end). All the best, EyeSerene^TALK 19:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful in this instance. But for the long term, I do need to somehow receive that email confirmation code to activate my ability to send & receive email from other Wikipedia users. No confirmation email with code is being sent to my email address. :( Gaiarising (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the mail is stopped by a spamfilter outside your control before it reaches you. You may consider using or creating another mail account, for example a free web-based email (Comparison of webmail providers may be of interest). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Image licensing

I've noticed that some images from Commons used in WP articles also contain licensing information and a summary box on that page (eg here). Others don't (eg here).

Should all images follow the first example, or is this unnecessary since the license can be found by following the link back to Commons? Thanks, EyeSerene^TALK 19:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I believe that when you click on an image from Wikipedia, the description page on Commons is displayed automatically below the image. So the summary boxes and license information you see actually come from the description page on Commons. The summary box you refer to is the template {{Information}} which provides a nice way to organize the information. It is not a must to use this template and one can write all the info in simple text, but I think it is better to use it when one can for the sake of providing a neat organization of the information. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 20:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the response. When I originally posted the two image links above, the second was not showing any license information at all. I've just tried it again... and now it is :P You are obviously correct - the license and other info are transcluded from the Commons page - but I have no idea why this wasn't working earlier. The only thing I can think of is that I've just cleared my cache. Anyway, problem solved, and thanks again for the reply! EyeSerene^TALK 21:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, glad I could be of help :) --Kudret abi^Talk 22:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Title change

I would like to know how to change the title of an article. The title Montreal International Jazz festival should not be translate, it should Stay in French like that: Festival International de Jazz de Montréal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocelynhade (talk • contribs) 19:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your query. The naming policy on the English Wikipedia is that article names should be in the form that most English-speakers would be likely to use (the policy is here). If you enter "Festival International de Jazz de Montréal" into the article search box though, you will see that this goes to the same article as "Montreal International Jazz festival" (via a redirect page). Hope this helps, EyeSerene^TALK 19:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How to edit the contents box?

Hello, I wish to add a section to the "contents" box of a subject. How do I go about doing this? Specifically I wish to add "life span" to a dog breed info article.Sheepieness (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The table of contents is automatically generated by its content headings. For example, for every ==Heading== you put in, it puts a section on the table of contents. It also nests headings, for example, ===Subheading=== would put this one subheading down. See WP:TOC. x42bn6 Talk Mess 20:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you want to remove it, add __NOTOC__ to the top of the page. — Rudget _{contributions} 21:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Be careful though, if you want to change something because it is your personal preference, you're better off changing your settings or installing a script instead of changing the view for every single user visiting the page. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• I imagine Lifespan would be a single sentence of information covered somewhere in the article; I doubt it would need its own heading. Anyway, it will be automatically added to the Table of Contents if you add a header to the text. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You want the infobox, not the contents, so we are confused. Sorry. the infobox is a template. You can edit the template to add a new field, but please be very careful unless you have experience with this. The template is a file nin the "template" namespace, and the syntax fro templates can be quite elaborate and confusing. -Arch dude (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I further suggest that you discuss this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dog_breeds/Templates since the dog breeds wikiproject seems to be quite active and knowledgable. -Arch dude (talk) 00:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge accounts

is it possible to merge my old account, which i created as a "pseudonym" that i no longer use, into my current account so i can have credit for my previous edits? The two are the same user. It is not a sock puppet. --Connor401 (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• The easiest solution is to redirect the old account to the new one and make mention of it on your userpage. It is technically possible to attribute old edits to you if you can prove you are the same person, but it is a laborious process only people with developer access can perform. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • See Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit which says: "Edits are no longer reattributed, so this page is no longer active". If you would rather keep your old edits than your new edits then see Wikipedia:Changing username and consider renaming your old account or changing it's signature. If you request renaming then explain the situation and name your existing new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

eagles music group,don felder.

when and why did Don Felder leave the Eagles band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.142.53 (talk) 23:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, this section is for Wikipedia related questions only so perhaps you would like to ask your question at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment. Regards, Kudret abi^Talk 23:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also see our articles about Don Felder and Eagles. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

November 29

Will ever scientists find The Element Which Has No Mass But Has Resistence. What scientist will be able to answer this question?

A thought came yesterday to my mind. Is there any element in the universe or in the world which has no mass, but has resistense? And I would like to find out if it is really exist. The thought came during my travelling. I had heavy suitcase, and dreamed about a suitcase without any mass, but that could contain my clothes which I need during a trip. Who will be able to answer this question? May be one day sientists will discover this element? Who knows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.204.28.144 (talk) 00:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Depending on how you define mass and resistance, the answer may be no by definition. Inertial mass defines: "Inertial mass is the mass of an object measured by its resistance to acceleration." Have you tried the science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

By resistance you must mean mechanical strength. Your idea sounds like a force field around the clothes. This belongs currently in the domain of Science Fiction. However there are other ways to make your suitcase lighter. You can go on the Space Station, there gravity becomes so small they call it microgravity and your suitcase would actually float in such an environment. Dr.K. (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, really the force of gravity is nearly the same at the ISS (which I assume you mean by space station). That you are weightless in space is a common misperception. Truly you are just in an endless fall. Prodego ^talk 00:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

"you are just in an endless fall" is a possible definition of weightlessness. Mass and weight are often considered different terms and you are certainly not massless in a free fall. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

All comes down to reference frame really. Prodego ^talk 01:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

True. Dr.K. (talk) 01:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Also according to Newton's law of universal gravitation the force of attraction that the suitcase will experience from the Earth is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of the suitcase from the centre of the Earth. Therefore the weight of the suitcase will be extremely small in space as long as the suitcase is far enough from the earth. At multiple times the Earth radius where the gravitational field of the Earth becomes very small the weight of the suitcase will diminish. The space station is too close to the Earth to qualify for microgavity status based on the Newtonian Universal Gravitation Law. The microgravity effect on the space station is a function of the centrifugal force of the orbit cancelling the Earth's attraction but the efffect on the suitcase is nonetheless the same. Dr.K. (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent) I would guess that by the time time scientists could build a suitcase with negligible mass, Moore's law will have advanced so far that physical travel will be largely unnecessary (see: telepresence, videoconferencing, telecommuting, etc.). Therefore we won't need suitcases. --Teratornis (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, while some people still feel they have to travel due to the limitations of our primitive computers and networks, one way to approximate a massless suitcase would be to rent changes of clothing at the destination. Then you would only have to transmit money to pay for the clothing rental, and money being information is virtually massless from a practical standpoint. --Teratornis (talk) 07:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

create a search link

I have often edited existing articles but i just created one for the first time: [18] how do i make this article appear in the search list in a normal wikipedia search on say "Flanders Fields", or "Leon Wolff", or "1917 Campaign"? i though wikipedia would have created a search link automatically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishad Mohan (talk • contribs) 00:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search takes some time (maybe a day or two) to index new articles. It happens automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Footnotes

How do I make my footnote sit above the regular text?Laurenschlager (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for recommended ways to make footnotes in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

SCTV QUESTION

I posted a question wijipedia a cfew fats ago but I don't know how to look up anyt answers given.

HELP!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.226.34 (talk) 02:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 

I think this is what you are looking for: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2007_November_10#SCTV-_COLLEGE_BOWL --Kudret abi^Talk 03:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

San Francisco county

raedwulf1604:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Raedwulf16 (talk)HI in doing research on statoids,i have noticed that information about almost all counties in the usa present info about "Adjacent Counties".Some fewRaedwulf16 (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC) are lacking this info.When i find a county article that does not have this information,I look up the material and edit the page to reflect the addition.All my changes have remained unaltered except for San Francisco County.I can not believe that SF would not wish this very useful info presented ...I did notice that the page had a note asking that new articles should be sent to one of Wickipedia's "daughter pages"..What is a "daughter " page and how do I access one?

Hello, thanks for the question. If you go to the article you mentioned, that is San_Francisco,_California, and click on the History tab on the top of the page, you will see a revision history. There you can see your revision and who changed the article after you. In this case looking at the revisions after you, it can be seen that the information you added was removed by User:Paul.h with the reason "Lists are discouraged in articles, see WP:EMBED also, information about counties belongs in List of counties in California not in each county article." So I advise you to read WP:EMBED to see why your info was removed, and after reading if you still have questions, you can ask again here, or at Wikipedia_talk:Embedded_list, or at Talk:San_Francisco,_California. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 06:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

login to en.wikipedia not valid for de.wikipedia?

Hi there, I tried to login with my en.wikipedia data to de.wikipedia; it was not possible. do I have to get another set of login/password? that would be quite inconvenient, since I also would like to visit fr.wikipedia ... greetings

gunter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgunter (talk • contribs) 05:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately. That is a feature that is being worked on—see m:SUL for the really long story behind this. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I shouldn’t think it would be a great problem: Just a one-time configuration--one minute per wiki. You can probably register for the same username on the other wikis and use the same password. If you click on the equivalent of “Remember my logon on this computer,” you should only have to login once on each project. I move seamlessly between Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Commons. --teb728 t c 05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

redirect?

The article Learning by teaching is existing. But this method (very bright used in Germany) has an other name: LdL or LDL. How could I create the item LdL or LDL, redirecting on Learning by teaching?--Jeanpol (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To create a redirect, just create the article LdL with the content "#REDIRECT Learning by teaching" (without quotes). However, LDL already exists as a redirect to Low density lipoprotein, so in this case you would want to disambiguate - probably by editing Low density lipoprotein and adding a hatnote that says "LDL may also refer to Learning by teaching" or something similar. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 06:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

At the moment LDL already ridirects to Low density lipoprotein. You will need to add a hatnote as mentioned above or modify the redirect page here [19] into a disambiguation WP:DAB also include the page you want. But please read WP:REDIR and WP:DAB before doing so. Thank you. --Kudret abi^Talk 06:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

But is LdL used in English for this method? If so, what does it stand for? --Orange Mike | Talk 06:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

about times of india —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.14.24 (talk) 07:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Thank you for your answer. LdL ist the German shortcut for "Lernen durch Lehren" (= Learning by teaching). But by now LdL seams to be used in English too, because of the fact that this method is broad implemented in Germany and expanding in other countries. So I yesterday get a mail in English from a university in Philipines asking for materials about LdL. That's the reason why I'm looking for the item LdL in the English wikipedia.

A quick google search suggests that LDL usually means Low density lipoprotein. I'd suggest adding {{redirect|LDL}} to the top of Low density lipoprotein. That will create a note saying something like "LDL redirects here. For other meanings, see LDL (disambiguation)." I'd do it myself, except someone needs to create the disambig page. Regards, Ben Aveling 10:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Jeanpol (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Use of Sports Categories for Professional wrestling

Why do we use sports categories for professional wrestling articles? It's a physical performance art isn't it? There is no competition and the outcomes are predetermined - so it seems odd to use "sport". --Fredrick day (talk) 10:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• You could ask why it's called wrestling then... Wrestling is supposed to be a sport... - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 10:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:OR v WP:COI

Well, normally I answer stuff here but I'm stumped! I'm a very close relative of someone who has an entry on Wikipedia. (no point looking in my contrib history as I've specifically never edited the article due to COI). However to expand the article a photo of the person would be valuable. WP:OR says that photos are generally exempt, so no problem of course. However as a relative WP:COI says I shouldn't go near the article. I could of course avoid the whole thing by creating a sock to upload the picture, but that's not really the spirit of WP:SOCK IMHO....or maybe it is. Thoughts anyone ? Pedro :  Chat  10:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• WP:COI was made to prevent people from starting unsuitable articles or add overly promotional or super-positive info into it. If you stick to the proper uploading procedure and provide source and copyright information, you shouldn't be in any trouble. As long as they understand the copyright issues attached to uploading pictures here, the subjects of articles are actually welcome to do it themselves. Improving articles by adding a single picture has nothing to do with COI. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(E/C) As you've already stated original research isn't a problem. COI isn't a problem either. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. We don't enforce or encourage technocratic, slavish adherence to rules as if they are hidebound laws. Rather we treat them flexibly as rules of thumb that guide us to do what's best for the encyclopedia, which is why WP:IAR is one of our five core policies. WP:COI is a guideline which seeks to discourage edits which generally lead to problems with verifiability and neutral point of view. Your proposed action invokes no problem with either. Run, get your camera, and don't give it a second thought.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks both. Sound advice. Pedro :  Chat  12:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I edit the "Title" of a page I have created

Hi,

The title is in small letters & I want to Capitalise (Block Letters) some key words therein.

The "edit this page" feature doesn't have an option to edit the "Title".

Can you please help me?

Regards,

Aman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman.zaidi (talk • contribs) 12:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Once your account is 4 days old, you can use the move button to move and effectively rename a page. If you share the title with us and tell how you want it changed, someone can do this one for you before the 4 days are up. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved the article for you. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Claiming an IP address

Sometimes I forget to log in when I am contributing to an article. This way, a list of contributions in kept both under my username and my IP address. It mostly concerns alterations to the same pages, only spread accross the two accounts. Is there a way to "claim" the contributions I made without logging in? In other words, I would like to merge user 82.93.60.5 [20] into my nickelvd account. Thanks.