Talk:Edgar Graham

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Umm, much better known Edgar Graham was the protestant political leader. Added stub bio, removed automatic redirect to the pop band member, but left link to pop band.

NPOV

This article is obviously not written from a NPOV. I would edit it accordingly, but I don't feel that I am well versed enough on Mr. Graham to do so. Someone really ought to all the same though. --Jt 15:05, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Isaac Brock tends to engage in a fuckload of shenanigans. This is part of an interview done by The Independent Weekly's David Madison:

But wait, wasn't Edgar Graham responsible for these songs? Brock laughs. The van keeps rolling through Cleveland, gas fumes filling the air from a hole accidentally drilled into the gas tank by someone in his new crew. "I've got to quit trying," says Brock. "Sorry, I'm trying to keep the hoax alive."

Maybe so, maybe not. Probably not, but since when does correct information matter anyway. I wouldn't worry about it that much.

There's as much on the Ugly Casanova page about Edgar Graham as there is here, so rather than fix the NPOV and lack of references I'm going to redirect to there. Kevin 10:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added sourcing

Also added "Repecussions" section. Plan to add fuller Bio of Graham's earlier political involvement with more radical Unionist groups in the 70's, and some quotes both by Graham and Trimble. Specific examples of Graham's contested memory being used by Trimble and others. T L Miles 09:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2007 NPOV?

I see someone added a neutrality box to the article. Anyone care to give a reason?

The NPOV discussion on the talk page goes back to when this was an article about a pop band member who used "Edgar Graham" as a name on liner notes. It doesn't refer to this article (or subject), so I'm thinking someone slapped the NPOV given the (now redundant) talk page.

I'll check back in a few days to see what people think.

T L Miles 14:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was added by vintagekits, an ardent Irish republican, Goodness knows why. See User_talk:Logoistic#.22Murder.22_versus_.22killing.22 - Kittybrewster 15:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was reasonable to remove the NPOV. Personally, I'm a pretty ardent republican, (and I want to do more research into Graham's neo-fascist leanings in the 70s), but he has become something of a totemic figure amongst some unionists, and it's important to have some fairly dispassionate background on his life and death.

Murder / death / assassination / killing are hairsplitting. If one feels it was justified, and the target didn't have a weapon at the time, any of these seem reasonable names.

T L Miles 13:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV 2008

I'm not really sure I understand the revision of User:Manchesterbedsit, here. The clean up of word choice seems reasonable, but the moving of all supporting quotations to the body, the removal of the reflist tag to be replaced with a deprecated tag for refs, the removal of link citations (or just parts of urls), the removal of the summation which was refed, and then the "fact" tag on the part of the lead which refers to the citation he just removed; all this makes me a little suspicious. I'm sure that there's much that can be improved, and such subjects are always walking a NPOV tightrope, but let's try to build an article acceptable to both communities, or else let's all agree to blank it.

Some input here which can lead to concensus would be helpful. Thoughts? T L Miles (talk) 01:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Righty. I may be going out on a limb here, but it looks like the editor refed above (from looking at his three edits, and comparing them to other accounts edits) is a sockpuppet of User:Rms125a@hotmail.com. This (while unproven, and something I really could care less about persuing) would explain the mangling edits, and utter silence thereafter. I'm not going to revert, as there are two latter edits, but I'm going to restore the citations and sections he blanked, and folks can take it from there. T L Miles (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biased article

It appears as if the article is attempting to justify Graham's death at the hands of the IRA.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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