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City or town?

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I notice a revert or two concerning the designation of Port Macquarie as a city or a town. I have changed the article's wording to city, for the following reasons:

  • population of circa 40-50 thousand
  • hub for towns, villages and rural areas in the region such as Wauchope, Lake Cathie, Bonny Hills and Laurieton
  • largest built-up area in Port Macquarie-Hastings council (some 2/3 of the population)
  • it has several suburbs, such as Lighthouse Beach, Thrumpster, Hibbard and North Shore
  • and it has a well defined CBD, with many multistory buildings (tallest I believe has ~12 floors)

I would appreciate it if before reverting to town, you state why you designate PM a town, as I have done. Thanks :) --JohnnoShadbolt 14:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I grew up on the Mid North Coast and I know what you are saying is logical, but we have to rely on the official definition from the New South Wales Government. If you search the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales database, here, you will see that Port Macquarie is defined as a locality. A complete list of cities in New South Wales can be found here on the GNB website. It doesn't make much sense, but that is its official status. In the absence of a proclamation by the NSW Government, I'm afraid your changes will have to be reverted. Blarneytherinosaur talk 05:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I wasn't aware the NSW government officially designated urban areas. I certainly see your point now, however perhaps there is a compromise between "town" and "city" (as I think both arguments are equally valid). Maybe "large town"?--JohnnoShadbolt 08:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. "Large town" is the way to go. Blarneytherinosaur talk 10:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I know that this discussion is old but wouldn't Port Macquarie be a city? Since Griffith which has a lower Pop then Port Mac is classed as a city? Bidgee (talk) 04:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

South Bank?

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Port Macquarie includes the North Bank of the Hastings (at the Mouth) also. It's referred to as the North Shore. There is a beach, and residential areas, with two ferries between the south and north banks of the river. It is part of Port Macquarie, last time I checked, since I live in Port. So I believe that the first paragraph should be altered. At this time it reads: "The town is located on the coast, on the south bank of the entrance of the Hastings River." It should read "The town is located on the coast, predominately south of the mouth of the Hastings River, with a residential area also on the northern bank." This or something similar would be ok. If there are no objections I will edit. Thanks, Glooper 10:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it. That is all. Glooper

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/placename_search/extract?id=ujqwZxKmTR - "A locality on the northern bank of the Hastings River, 3 km from its entrance at Port Macquarie and opposite the locality of Settlement Point. Boundaries within the Hastings Council area shown on map GNB3772." Officially, North Shore is not part of Port Macquarie, and it actually has its own fire brigade and a few other things. (I live in Port as well.) I think there should be mention of it a bit later on, but I don't have time to do a write up at the moment. ajdlinux 22:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd expect them to have their own fire brigade, it would take to long to get across the river if there was a fire. I see your point. However, I do believe the New South Wales government aren't really up to speed with what is actually happening in the town/locality (or the state for that matter IMO). I used to always have a problem with Port not being called a city. I got over that, but the North Shore being separate from Port Macquarie just seems like an oversight on the part of the NSW government IMO. Thanks, Glooper 13:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GNB isn't exactly the best source to determine whether something is part of or separate from another town, but other organisations, e.g. AusPost lists North Shore as a separate delivery area (albeit with the 2444 postcode, but Blackmans Point also has the 2444 code). Also PMHC has a separate DCP for North Shore.
As someone who also lives in Port, I would generally describe it as part of Port Macquarie, but it's not important enough to be mentioned on the first line. It should be mentioned though. ajdlinux 07:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs more content

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This article seems very light, and needs more substantial content. I'm happy to try my own hand at some additions... a few things that spring to mind: Local government (brief history, achievements, Glasshouse controversy, sacking of council), infrastructure and planning (including water supply issues, water recycling, Thrumster, Glasshouse, airport etc.), tourism, sporting events... The "History" section could also use a boost, as all of the info there is currently pre-1900.

I notice there is a WP article for Port Macquarie-Hastings Council - some of my suggestions may be better placed there. Either way I'd like to see Council mentioned in this (Port Macquarie) article with a more prominent, in-context, link to the Council article.

PollyWaffler (talk) 04:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned in the Wall Street Journal

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An article which was deleted, and redirects here, Port Macquarie Presbyterian Church was mentioned in the Wall Street Journal August 8, 2008[1]:

In Wikipedia terms, a culture clash has emerged between deletionists and inclusionists. Deletionists want to keep the bar relatively high. Recently they managed to delete the Port Macquarie Presbyterian Church, New South Wales, Australia, on grounds of non-notability, and the "List of Films With Monkeys in Them," on grounds of "listcruft." Still, even deleted articles survive, on Deletionpedia: 50,000 and counting."

travb (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Charles Sturt University under Tertiary educational facilities

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Charles Sturt University now has a campus in Port Macquarie. There is information about it here: http://www.csu.edu.au/about/locations/port-macquarie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadewhitbourn (talk • contribs) 01:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Port Macquarie: is it a city?

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A number of IPs (probably the same person) have recently modified this article to declare Port Macquarie a city. Being a city is not a matter that Wikipedia contributors or random websites cited get to decide. It is the NSW Government who decides. Legislation from 1966 gives the NSW Geographic Names Board the power to manage these things. Please see their Glossary of designation values in the Geographical Names Register. It defines a city as "A centre of population, commerce and culture with all essential services; a town of significant size and importance, generally accorded the legal right to call itself a city under, either, the Local Government Act, the Crown Lands Act or other instruments put in place by government." Can anyone point to any Act or other instrument put in place by the NSW Government in relation to the Port Macquarie having become a city? Kerry (talk) 09:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone wanting to see the current list of cities of NSW, go to [2] and put City in the designation field and search. Kerry (talk) 09:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the NSW Geographic Names Board is the only authority, then Port Macquarie is only a locality, which it says is "A bounded area within the landscape that has a ‘Rural’ Character." This is obviously wrong. But people who want it proven that the sky is blue will stand on their dig and say it doesn't matter that its obviously wrong. The description by the NSW Geographic Names Board later calls Port a town, so the NSW Geographic Names Board is now contradicting itself. Is there no factor of population that would turn a town into a city? What if Port had a million people and the NSW Geographic Names Board still called it a locality? Would you agree? 165.225.114.202 (talk) 08:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why not ask the NSW GNB about the matter? Their email contact details are on their web site. They answer quite promptly in my experience. Kerry (talk) 12:35, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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