Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ibrahim Qusaya

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no consensus here. Maybe the situation will become clearer over time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Qusaya

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Typical ONEEVENT. No coverage of person outside of news about his death.The article was previously PRODedd and Prod was removed with comment that person is notable. But there is no significant coverage enough to write a biography. Even the age is nog known. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Palestine. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Unless better sources are found, the best ATD I can think of would be to redirect this to the article about the event in which he died (Jabalia refugee camp airstrikes), where his name should be mentioned (unless there is a dedicated list). Please note we have an identical article about his teammate, Hassan Zuaiter, which should be discussed as well (if there are no objections here when this is closed, it can be boldly redirected or PRODed I guess). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep being a member of the national team is notable independently of death. Moondragon21 (talk) 17:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Individual is notable only for WP:ONEEVENT, and fails WP:VICTIM criteria. DonaldD23 talk to me 21:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I expanded it already a bit. More information can be found on him via his different used names and Arabic. 109.38.139.140 (talk) 17:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect or delete as per WP:VICTIM. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. He represented Palestine at a major event like the 2022 Asian Games, that is significant enough in itself. --Dominus Moravian (talk) 13:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Considering that he was a member of the national team and likewise has sufficient related sources, therefore we can call it as a notable item. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is being a member of a national team enough?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 03:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: 1E article, fails GNG, NBIO, meets NOTNEWS, NOTMEMORIAL. Sources in article and BEFORE showed nothing meeting WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth, sources are brief articles about a recent event which mention the subject. No sources show the event will meet WP:LASTING and fails NOTNEWS. // Timothy :: talk 12:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the page is not in bad shape and the subject meets GNG, looking for his Arab name there is coverage about him even before his death, eg. this article enterely devoted to him from Saudi newspaper Al Riyadiyah, which recounts his career and describes him as a major star. Cavarrone 20:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I see No consensus here right now among discussion participants.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think the source found by Cavarrone is sufficiently strong to quash 1E concerns. He was clearly notable before his death, though his death acted as a catalyst for the creation of the article. That doesn't remove the notability. Acebulf ^{(talk | contribs)} 07:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough to meet WP:1E or notability, and WP:NOTNEWS. TaBaZzz (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this article seems to mix up a volleyball player from Gaza with a Syrian Air Force officer of the same name.Marokwitz (talk) 08:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What part of the article? Geschichte (talk) 12:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the death is verifiable per WP:V, there should at least be a redirect to the airstrike. There will then be an incoming link from the Asian Games volleyball page, informing that this player perished in the airstrike, without the need of a standalone biographical article. That is, if the state of SIGCOV is not good enough to keep it. If it is kept, throw out the "volleyball players martyred" reference which clearly fails WP:NPOV. Geschichte (talk) 12:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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