Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Leyes

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The result was Delete We seriously need an SPI of a number of accounts here.... Consensus by non concerning accounts is not notable. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kevin Leyes

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This article is lacking significant media mention in reliable source. Self profile link such as linkedin, forbes profile, YEC profile etc are used for citation. rest are non trivial mentions in reliable source. also the topic fails general notability guideline Below in the box (talk) 17:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't know if the nom here is a sock or not and I wouldn't have come across this article if the creator hadn't triggered a filter, but I would've nommed it myself had I come across it otherwise. There is no in-depth coverage of Leyes, all the pieces included in the article are passing mentions, interviews, self written or otherwise not coverage and I can find no better sources. Praxidicae (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Leyes has been discussed in multiple national Argentine print and digital media for example[1], [2], [3] and you still did not find in-depth coverage? Please check the Spanish references. Hissamelriys (talk) 20:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:ABF nomination from a SPA that has only 3 edits. Hissamelriys (talk) 20:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC) Retracting my comment because it is not on the content. I will post my reasons for keep again. Hissamelriys (talk) 20:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please clarify how ABF applies when the only comment here is only on content? Not to mention that I am clearly not an SPA and have pointed out policy specific reasons as to why it should be deleted? Praxidicae (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you think the article should be deleted then please nominate yourself. WP:ABF applies to the nominator only. It is sad that a "suspicious" SPA account can open a AfD and I have to prove why would a "new user" is not WP:ABF. Hissamelriys (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point. I don't need to nominate it, because it's already nominated. The intent of the nominator as far as I can tell isn't relevant. Feel free to refute the points I've made as they're based in policy. Praxidicae (talk) 20:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, ok! My bad. I retract my comment on WP:ABF. Hissamelriys (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - self promotion or paid promotion which signally fails WP:GNG. I too am curious about the nominator. A sock ? Or perhaps an regular IP editor who believes a user name will have more clout at an AfD. Whatever, it appears to be a good call. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 22:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG states If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.. Kevin Leys has received significant coverage in [4], [5], [6] which are reliable sources as well as independent of the subject. Hissamelriys (talk) 06:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject has received in-depth coverage in national newspapers of Argentina such as Clarín (Argentine newspaper), La Nación, Perfil and many more. I can add more Spanish references if required. And for using Forbes, LinkedIn and YEC, I used these sources as per WP:ABOUTSELF because he is a member of these organizations. Hissamelriys (talk) 06:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there are coverage available and the person is having great influential image and enough resources on web. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Litbeby (talk • contribs) 08:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Hissamelriys: How came he is notable? This article is highly promotional too.

In November 2016, Leyes was selected as Youth Councillor in the Youth Parliament of the City Council of Merlo by the Merlo Government. How title such such as Youth councilor at a small city level relevant for Wikipedia? In 2017, Leyes was selected as a Youth Ambassador by the U.S. Embassy in Argentina and the United States Department of State, that gave him a full scholarship to represent Argentina in the United States. In the citation that is used, it is clearly written that he was invited for some school project. also that article in Clarin is about him attending some entrepreneurs workshop called "tremp camp" beside having lack of media mention in significant source, the topic is not even slightly notable enough for Wikipedia Below in the box (talk) 08:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Below in the box he is notable because he has in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources and AFD is not cleanup. Anyway what is stopping you from editing from your actual account? Hissamelriys (talk) 09:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Hissamelriys (the creator of the article) is trying to invite other Wikipedian on this thread, which might be a violation of Wiki community guideline. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexf&diff=prev&oldid=947358210 Below in the box (talk) 09:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok,so you mean I would randomly message an Admin to influence him to vote a Keep here? Why aren't you using the word "Canvassing"? Is it because it might expose you're not a new editor? It is really sad to see how easily anyone can game this system. Hissamelriys (talk) 09:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per recent improvements in the article. I have reviewed the article and it meets WP:GNG. --KartikeyaS (talk) 05:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Most of us are tuning in to the black eye the wikipedia has acquired for the roadblocks to keeping articles on notable women. Well there is also a bias against creating article on notable young people. As above I see considerable spanish language RS.

Praxidicae, is the policy basis for you to discount interviews, in RS, as adding to this individual's notability?

WP:NOTME is something to guard against. A lot of us here were smarty-pants of some kind, when we were youths. Some of us were A students. Others of us thought we were just as smart as those ,A students, and would have been A students ourselves, if it weren't for this or that factor. But there is a big difference between a smart kid, who is an A student, or wins a science fair, or who is recognized as pretty damn smart by his or her friends and family, and the smart kid who gets international scholarships, and then gets multiple interviews in genuine RS about it. Getting international scholarships won't make anyone notable - even winning a Rhodes scholarship won't win anyone notability. But having RS write about your scholarship, does start to earn you genuine notability. Geo Swan (talk) 18:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep as per WP:ANYBIO, as per above. Gritmem (talk) 08:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete undisclosed, paid-for spam. There is no evidence of notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. GSS ^💬 06:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"There is no evidence of notability", are you sure? You just confirmed Geo Swan's above comment. I cannot explain to a person who choose to close his ears. Hissamelriys (talk) 06:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ofource I'm sure and confident. GSS ^💬 06:47, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Leyes has in-depth coverage in independent references? Hissamelriys (talk) 06:58, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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