Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 December 22

Draft:Alex Gilbert – Original deletion endorsed, no consensus as regards restoration. – Sandstein 06:11, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.

Now this page was on here a few months back. Since then 7 new sources have appeared on this page. I have them all in detail here. This article should be able to go onto the main space now. The old XFD has nothing related to this issue. I would like anyone to ping some Russian editors who can help with this. I have all the sources in detail below. This Subject is just going to keep on growing and growing, the snowball effect. As more sources are appearing for this subject. It is no longer down as a single event issue. This needs to be resolved.

I will also ping some of the other users who were involved in the previous DRV or who can assist. - User:Cunard , User:Hobit, User talk:Ymblanter, User:Arthistorian1977 --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 03:55, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Long list of references

New Sources that were found since the last Deletion Review.

Note: The Draft Draft:Alex Gilbert had a Un Deletion Review discussion that closed on the 6th of November 2015. The new sources below were not there. See Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_October_29

[1] Retrieved 22 December 2015 - Source is from Channel One Russia. Alex appeared on Russia’s biggest TV Talk show ‘Let them Talk’. This source talks about his journey and also his I’m Adopted Organisation. See [2] (YouTube link to the show) and look at 47:27
[3] and [4] Retrieved 22 December 2015 - Also from Channel One Russia
[5] Retrieved 22 December 2015 - From Yar.kp.ru - A reliable news source from Russia about his work and projects.
[6] Retrieved 24 December 2015 - From Progorod76 - A reliable news source from Russia.
[7] Retrieved 22 December 2015 - Another new source.
[8] Retrieved 22 November 2015. ‘’Whirlwind trip feels like it didn't happen’’ The Northern Advocate - Source talks about his recent trip to Russia for his TV Appearance on ‘Let them Talk’
[9] Retrieved 1 December 2015. ‘’To Russia with love: The Kiwi-Russian taking his homeland by storm’’ - TVNZ - Alex is featured on another TVNZ ‘’Sunday’’ Story about his recent trip to Russia. He is expected to appear on this huge TV Channel in Russia this year.
[10] 16 November 2015. ‘’Alex Gilbert - I crossed the ocean, to see my biological parents” - changeonelife.ru . This is another big article website. It also talks about his recent trip to Russia.

References that cover his 'I'm Adopted' Organisation Please note: Yes these were in the old DRV.

[11] Анатомия дня TV Show NTV Russia Retrieved 29 October 2015. Source covers his Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' and talks about him helping others.
[12] Retrieved 22 August 2015. Whangarei boy who traced Russian roots helps fellow Kiwi adoptees find bloodlines (TVNZ) - This source also talks about 'I'm Adopted'
[13] Retrieved August 7, 2015. Russian adoptee shares stories The Northern Advocate - This source is only about his 'I'm Adopted' page and mentions A former Russian adoptee raised in Whangarei is helping other adopted people share their stories. This is not a BLP1E am I correct?
[14] Retrieved 4 November 2015. Adoption project enthrals Russians The Northern Advocate - This article talks about what impact his page has had with the Russian Media. I have also added these news outlet links to the article. This is due to his 'I'm Adopted' page.
[15] Retrieved 29 October 2015. In social networks, a new unusual community. Children of Russia, adopted by foreigners looking for their biological parents Translated from Russian. NTV Russia - This source is from a huge Russian Media outlet about his I'm Adopted Organisation. Read the article or watch the video.

Other References

[16] Retrieved February 26, 2015. From Russia with love The Northern Advocate - This article is about his Book 'My Russian Side' that he published in 2014. It reads Now 22, Alex, has written a book about his journey.
[17] Retrieved 23 February 2015. TVNZ - This is his actual Full Length NZ TV Documentary Story which aired in NZ and yes at the time was an issue where BLP1E was talked about in the previous deletions. New Sources have since been found and updated. ALOT MORE
[18] Retrieved July 2, 2014. The New Zealand Herald - This article covers a meet up Alex Gilbert had with another New Zealander he found through his TV Documentary.
[19] Retrieved 16 November 2015. Change One Life Russia - This article is an excellent interview with Alex Gilbert about his own story and journey.
[20] Retrieved 5 June 2015. - TV3 NZ - This TV Show features Alex who talks to other adoptees who are going through the same journey as he went through.

References in Russian Language If you can't understand them then don't comment. People have been ignoring these. These are put up as a support to the article. It shows you how much coverage it had.

[21] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarcom.ru - This article talks about his experience and journey.
[22] Retrieved 21 October 2015 New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk, threw him in the hospital . echo76 - New Russian article talking also about his life and journey to Russia.
[23] Retrieved 21 October 2015. New Zealander found in Rybinsk own mother - 76.ru - This article notes if translated Now the young man helps the other people who find themselves in a similar situation, to find their loved ones.
[24] Retrieved 21 October 2015. progorod76.ru- The guy from New Zealand found in the Yaroslavl region his own mother
[25] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://rweek.ru/ - This article talks about his journey and experience also
[26] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarnews.net - New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk
[27] Retrieved 21 October 2015. vesti.ru - This source is from Vesti News. One of the largest TV News outlets in Russia - Russia-24
[28] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://bsvesti.ru/ - This is another alternative news source
[29] Retrieved 1 November 2015 yar.kp.ru - Another news source in Russia
[30] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://rybinskcity.ru/ - A news source from Rybinsk City, Russia
[31] Retrieved 16 November 2015. - sguschenka.com - A reliable source talking to Alex directly about his experience and journey.
[32] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://1news.uz/ - Another Russian News Source

DmitryPopovRU (talk) 22:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I still think we should have this article. That said, could you identify the best 2 or 3 sources that have come into existence (in any language) since the last DRV? If there's nothing really solid, I don't think this is going to go far. Hobit (talk) 06:25, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hobit all the new sources since the last DRV are highlighted above. Here are the strongest ones. [33], [34],[35], [36],[37], [38],[39],[40] and [41] - Thank You! I have these also in detail above! --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 20:38, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep deleted This is getting absurd. There's nothing new here. I can't speak for what Hobit intended, but when I ask for 2 or 3 of the best sources, what I'm really saying is, If you're willing to put in the time to pick 2 sources which best advance your argument, I'm willing to put in the time to evaluate them. Responding with 8 sources just says, I'm too lazy to pick the best 2, so I'm asking you to do my work for me. Sorry, that doesn't fly. Regardless, I spent a little time looking at all 8 sources. I don't read Russian, so I depended on machine translations. Based on that, I'd say none of them meet our standards for WP:RS. Please just accept that this isn't going to happen and don't bring this back to DRV again. At some point, annoying will cross over the line to disruptive, and you'll end up getting blocked from editing. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- While I agree with much of this, I disagree with the reliability thing. TVNZ is pretty clearly a reliable source. The Northern Advocate is a very local source, but also reliable. 1tv clearly is reliable also (unless we are throwing out all state-owned enterprises, which is tempting). Hobit (talk) 02:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Getting absurd? RoySmith I have detailed the new sources above. I have pinged some Russian editors. I will just leave the draft in this case then and keep working on it, and will not bother anyone. People are not trying to see what I am trying to do with growing the article. I have managed to find new sources, and I am not doing anything wrong. For Hobit ok here is 2 or 3 of the best new sources. [42], this played on Channel One Russia. This show is all about Alex Gilbert and what he does etc, yes it does have a segment about his I'm Adopted project too. This show is the most watched Russian TV Show in Russia. See here [43]. Here is another new source [44] and also [45]. Look if nobody can help me, which people are not looking at the new sources I keep adding I will just leave the draft and keep working on it. Thanks for your time. --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 18:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a WP:COI here? Do you have some sort of business or professional relationship with the subject? -- RoySmith (talk) 13:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Endorse original deletion. The original AfD appears to have been focused on WP:BLP1E. Indeed this appears to be a textbook case where BLP1E applies. I do not see anything in DmitryPopovRU's "strongest new sources" that would undermine that argument or make the original close obsolete. Thparkth (talk) 20:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Erb? I'm seeing sources from all over the world covering this person and the "event" for years. Per WP:BLP1E "The significance of an event or individual is indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources." Don't we have that in spades? Hobit (talk) 02:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
At an AfD I would (and did) !vote to keep. I think we should clearly have an article on this topic. And I think these new sources are enough by themselves for an article. So endorse and restore with the understanding that I felt the original deletion was sub-optimal. Hobit (talk) 02:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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