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Template:NASCAR on Amazon Prime

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 02:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Empty template that is not needed, see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NASCAR on Amazon Prime. Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox gridiron football biography. Izno (talk) 02:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography with Template:Infobox NFL biography.
These should be merged, with the CFL infobox redirected to the NFL infobox, and the NFL infobox then renamed to Template:Infobox gridiron football biography. I've been using both of these infoboxes for years, but there's really no good reason for there to be two different templates. They have all the same parameters basically. There are a few differences; the CFL template has "hand" and "pass_style" but no one uses those. The only parameters I might keep from the CFL infobox are "amateur_title" and "amateur_team" for Canadian junior leagues like the Canadian Junior Football League but even if those parameters weren't included, that is not enough to prevent this merge. Template:Infobox gridiron football person is also a duplicate of the CFL infobox that was split out in April 2024 ("Infobox gridiron football person" is what both leagues used originally I believe before the NFL infobox split out on its own in 2007 and then later "gridiron football person" was moved to "Canadian Football League biography" in 2017; that's a condensed version of events but the long history doesn't really matter here anyway) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. I feel like one info box is perfect for professional gridiron football in general along with dissident93 comment above. Maxx1222 (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. Although the “Undrafted” field may have to be adjusted to clarify if it’s the NFL or CFL draft. Not sure how people want to do that. Keeping the amateur teams is preferable for CJFL, CEGEP, AFL, etc. Cmm3 (talk) 00:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine there could be a "cflundraftedyear" parameter added for Canadian CFL players. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like that. I'll Support with this parameter added. WuTang94 (talk) 06:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and added it. (NFL) and (CFL) are amended if both |undraftedyear= and |cflundraftedyear= exist, otherwise the label just lists "Undrafted" like it used to. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding cflundraftedyear D93. I'm not sure if there would ever be a scenario where someone would use both though. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't think of anybody either, but it exists if ever needed now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nomination and all above. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment ... with the CFL infobox redirected to the NFL infobox ...: Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography's parameters |AFLAllStar=, |CFLAllStar=, |CFLEastAllStar=, |CFLWestAllStar=, |ProBowls=, |honors=, |retired #s=, and |records= would all need to be encoded to use Template:Infobox NFL biography's |highlights=instead.—Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, there is a bit of parameter transferring that will need to be done, hopefully with AWB or a bot. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It might be hard to automate and decide what order to place them within |highlights=. At least the transclusions that don't have any of those parameters can be automated to replace Infobox Canadian Football League biography with the merged target. —Bagumba (talk) 17:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While they can all be easily added, the non-All Star ones seem redundant and/or trivial. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge per nomination. SudoHack (talk) 22:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment make sure the short description generator continues to work when merging the two templates. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I've been frustrated by the difficulty integrating players that played in both the CFL and NFL. That said: make sure that there are NINE stat lines for each league, which is too many, but better too many than not enough. Make sure the name of the league is editable — there are some players who were in the All-America Football Conference, others the AAFC + the NFL, others who were all in the American Football League, and others the AFL + NFL. This doesn't even touch the Arena League, USFL, XFL, UFL, and so forth... This needs to be specified by the page editor with a league_name= parameter. Carrite (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "statleague" is in the NFL infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - There also needs to be integration of coaching into the pro football infobox, since the number of former players who have gone into coaching is vast, and the number of coaches who are former players is almost 100%. Carrite (talk) 18:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Carrite, what you mean by "integration of coaching into the pro football infobox"? Coaching is already supported by the existing infoboxes. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't sure it was part of the CFL box. The fact that they don't have the same parameters is part of the problem. In my opinion, rather than having separate NFL stats and CFL stats, with those leagues auto-specified, which is my reading of what things are going to be, there should be slates for three blank leagues, with stat_league1= , stat_league2= and stat_league3= parameters user specified. There are more than just two or three pro leagues and trying to force data into a template that isn't malleable enough is problematic. Again, yes I know that this is specifiable within the NFL infobox template, but it needs to be also so with whatever merged creation results here. best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 15:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, both football codes from America and Canada are identical. Cltjames (talk) 17:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - While also considering merging it with college football as well, with pages like Chuck Knox and John Robinson compared with Chip Kelly's (who has bowl game/"tournament" stats. 9mm.trilla (talk) 21:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
9mm.trilla, Chip Kelly uses {{Infobox college coach}}, which supports all college sports, not just college football. In partciular, it is designed to handle coaches who coached more than one sport, which was very common decades ago. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
College football could just use the proposed {{Infobox gridiron football biography}}, but the college template wouldn't be merged, as other college non-football sports also use it.—Bagumba (talk) 08:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the college football player infobox was merged as well, would we keep parameters like |major=? Something like that is irrelevant for 99% of professional players and even most college players. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It propably depends on whether consensus views these as "student athletes" or not. —Bagumba (talk) 16:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I never really thought the major category was relevant. That should just go in the body. The only thing worth keeping from the college player infobox is the "class". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Easily. As others said we should try to ensure those small differences like which league initially drafted and relative juniors. As long as those are covered there's no reason not to. Would probably make it easier for the guys who played for both leagues. MatthewNewHouse (talk) 22:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Basketball national team roster navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 02:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting navboxes for teams that finished lower than third place in tournaments. Such templates are subject to WP:TCREEP and were previously deleted per May 31, 2021, April 22, 2020, June 7, 2019, and March 29, 2019 (first, second and third) discussions. – sbaio 16:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:WikiProject New York Giants

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

just like the WikiProject New York Jets TfD, this one should be replaced by {{WikiProject National Football League|giants=yes}} Frietjes (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Double J

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This template has very few Wikilinks, mostly for presenters all of whom are included on the main Triple J template. There are no pages for any of Double J's programs which would be this template's core usefulness. Triple J template can be used on the Double J article instead. Marcostev8 (talk) 11:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Triple J Unearthed

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The template has almost no Wikilinks, it is completely unecessary and its content is outdated. Triple J template can be used on the Triple J Unearthed article instead. Marcostev8 (talk) 11:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 05:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These (mostly?) Trump-related editnotices were blanked in 2021 as being no longer needed, so they have not been used for three years. I asked about blank edit notices in general, and I didn't really get a response. I then asked the editor who blanked these notices, and that editor had no opinion on whether they should be deleted. So here we are at TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. Support CSD. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox essay

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 05:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and broken template. We have various book related infoboxes that I'm sure one of them can work, if actually needed. Gonnym (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's broken because I can't get it to work, hence the {{helpme}} tag. I was trying to demonstrate what an essay Infobox should look like. As I explained, the Infobox for books doesn't work well for essays.
It's like using the Album infobox for a song. The two things are different. Sometimes, there are album-length songs, just as there are book-length essays. But most often, an essay is a totally different genre from a book. It has different parameters, and it would make sense to have an infobox that served it better than borrowing the one for books. Trumpetrep (talk) 03:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I have fixed this infobox, and it appears to be something that will be useful on the more than 600 articles about essays, many of which are definitely not short stories or books. I have deployed it on a few already. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So instead of using an existing infobox, you copied 1 for 1 the infobox book, for what reason? Who cares what the infobox is called, the parameters are exactly the same. And now, we have a undocumented, unmaintained, infobox. I will revert replacements on exiting pages as completely pointless. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not a one for one copy; I adapted {{Infobox book}}, which was the easiest way to get to the destination. I believe that this infobox is useful, so I fixed it and deployed it in a couple of cases where an essay was clearly not a book and clearly not a short story. One of your reverts has added the words "short story" to the infobox of an article that is about an essay and in which the words "short story" otherwise do not appear. We have plenty of undocumented infoboxes; lack of documentation of a new infobox is not a reason for deletion. Conversely, demonstrating the usefulness of a template is a reason to keep it. You can see the utility of this template at Federalist No. 10, where {{infobox book}} is misused for an essay that was published in a newspaper. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You copy/pasted an exact copy of infobox book, removing the categories. You did so without giving attribution or without creating any sort of documentation. Infobox templates that are meant to be used heavily shouldn't be used so recklessly. Additionally, any one of the currently exiting templates, be that book or short story (and probably others), can do what this template does. As I've demonstrated. Gonnym (talk) 15:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow, that is a long series of false claims. I did not copy/paste an exact copy of infobox book, as you or anyone else can see in this diff; I adapted the template, removing wikidata calls and other items that were inappropriate or not needed. Further development and documentation has been and will be needed, as with any new infobox template, but again, those are not valid deletion reasons. As for attribution, my edit summary was "fix infobox, copying and adapting from Template:infobox book"; it is my understanding that this is sufficient attribution.
    Please provide a link to substantiate claims of recklessness, which is bordering on a personal attack. And as I have demonstrated and explained, the short story template was placing inaccurate text in Shooting an Elephant; that did not stop you from reverting my use of the more accurate {{Infobox essay}} and claiming that my use of the infobox was "pointless".
    As for any one of the currently exiting [sic] templates, be that book or short story (and probably others), can do what this template does, which infobox would you use for Federalist No. 10? It's clearly not a book.
    Are you OK today? You are usually much more rational than this. I can't recall you making such personal statements in the past. Maybe a break is in order? I sometimes need one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Federalist Papers are precisely the example I would use for why the Book infobox doesn't work for essays. The fork in the road is at the "book/ISBN" level. For example, Inside the Whale and Other Essays is an anthology of George Orwell's essays. It has a book infobox as it should. There is also a wikipedia article for the title essay "Inside the Whale". A helpful infobox would instantly identify for the reader that the essay came first and the anthology later. Using the Book infobox on the title essay's article needlessly confuses the issue. There is no ISBN for an essay, but there often is for the essay's anthology. The Essay infobox that Jonesey constructed solves the problem. Trumpetrep (talk) 00:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Essays are not books. This will go well on lots of articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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