Appendix talk:Dutch pronunciation
Regional differences
[edit]I believe this better page should be used as a guideline: [1] (ignore the Afrikaans part of it) to make sure we properly recognize pronounciation differences. As you might know, Dutch is a pluricentric language, and the recommended pronounciation for Standard Belgian Dutch is different from the one that is generally considered standard in the Netherlands. Morgengave (talk) 22:07, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- And I assume that the Belgian Dutch pronunciation should be preceded by
{{a|BE}}and the standard Dutch by nothing? --Laeto Orituri (talk) 14:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC) - Although I don't feel like we should divide it by either standardized version, but I'd love to actually see allophones indicated. Jaeger-Tim (talk) 19:02, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Red letters
[edit]What's with the red letters showing up in the description of dutch pronunciation? I'll just type some random letters here:
- fy IPA(key): /ˈwaːrəwuwuwueuseyfiohjruioawopigrjoeirvk/ replace g with ɡ, invalid IPA characters (g)
- fr IPA(key): /ˈwaːrəwuwuwueuseyfiohjruioawopigrjoeirvk/ replace g with ɡ, invalid IPA characters (g)
- de IPA(key): /ˈwaːrəwuwuwueuseyfiohjruioawopigrjoeirvk/ replace g with ɡ, invalid IPA characters (g)
- nl IPA(key): /ˈwaːrəwuwuwueuseyfiohjruioawopigrjoeirvk/ replace g with ɡ, invalid IPA characters (g)
img Perhaps there should be a mention on what this is supposed to be? Also, ⟨g⟩ – which isn't used in IPA – turns red, but ⟨ɡ⟩ doesn't. Wat? — Knyȝt (talk) 13:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
- Because you should use the special Unicode symbol for "ɡ". A normal "g" would have a looptail in some fonts, which is absolutely forbidden in IPA. --2001:16B8:31B5:F500:BD5E:43A8:732B:760E 14:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Knyȝt: (Answering four years after question was asked) The red letters indicate sounds that aren't phonemes of Dutch according to this analysis and should therefore be replaced by other letters. That includes the looptail g, which however (contrary to the response above) is not "absolutely forbidden in IPA": it's considered a less preferred alternative to the script ɡ. @Rua, this page makes no mention of the "long" diphthongs, those spelled ⟨aai⟩, ⟨eeuw⟩, ⟨ieuw⟩, ⟨oei⟩, ⟨ooi⟩, and so on. Should it, or are those considered sequences of long vowel + glide rather than diphthongs? —Mahāgaja · talk 08:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure how they should be analysed. So far we've written them as diphthongs, but I'd be open to changing that. —Rua (mew) 12:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- I think treating them as diphthongs makes most sense, but then they should be added to the list of diphthongs given here. —Mahāgaja · talk 15:00, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure how they should be analysed. So far we've written them as diphthongs, but I'd be open to changing that. —Rua (mew) 12:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Knyȝt: (Answering four years after question was asked) The red letters indicate sounds that aren't phonemes of Dutch according to this analysis and should therefore be replaced by other letters. That includes the looptail g, which however (contrary to the response above) is not "absolutely forbidden in IPA": it's considered a less preferred alternative to the script ɡ. @Rua, this page makes no mention of the "long" diphthongs, those spelled ⟨aai⟩, ⟨eeuw⟩, ⟨ieuw⟩, ⟨oei⟩, ⟨ooi⟩, and so on. Should it, or are those considered sequences of long vowel + glide rather than diphthongs? —Mahāgaja · talk 08:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Potential error: ɪ
[edit]One of these is wrong. I'm still learning about the IPA, so I'm not certain which one is wrong.
ɪ | zit | sit
ɪː | beer | sit (but longer) Jaeger-Tim (talk) 19:05, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jaeger-Tim
- [ɪː] represents the Northern Dutch pronunciation of the vowel in 'beer'
- It would be good to indicate more than one pronunciation here. Exarchus (talk) 15:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)