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The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War
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From The funeral oration of Pericles, once read by generation upon generation of European and American schoolboys who went on to become leader of their nations. No longer. As one watches the two great nations of Athens and Sparta destroy themselves fighting each other, one wishes everyone still studied Thucydides before they voted on members of Congress, or voted as Congressmen about whether to engage in squabbles around the world. This is not to say the United States should retreat to 19th century isolationism, but that it should ask hard questions before deciding whether to act, and think ahead about how to follow up victories and defeats in foreign countries.
Thucydides covers so vast a theater of war, with so many players, over twenty-six years (plus prologue) that it’s impossible to summarize it. Suffice it to say that the train-wreck spectacle is riveting, and his prose magisterial. I really wish I had read this decades ago. It makes one consider subsequent history in a whole new light. The speeches are stupendous for both eloquence and rhetoric, as you watch various populations be manipulated or ignore wise advice.
Also, I need to note that I read the Landmark Thucydides edited by Robert B. Strassler. Accept no substitutes. The notes and maps are fabulous. Strassler understands that a reader is most likely going to tackle this over several weeks, and won’t retain all the details from day to day. So he inserts very repetitive maps on almost every page so that the information you need is right in front of your face. You don’t have to flip wildly back twenty or thirty pages trying to figure out where Miletus or Abydos is. The side margins are full of helpful paragraph numbering and dates, along with a summary of every paragraph’s content/action. A running banner across the top of each page gives date, location and topic. Notes at the bottom of each page link text names to map locations and remind the reader with references to past events. Several appendices in the back describe ground and naval military procedures, governments, religious beliefs, monetary values, dates, etc.
Not a light undertaking, but well well worth the effort.
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bookshelves: 2015-plan, philip-ward-500-books, 2016-plan, 2017-plan, classical, history
Feb 24, 2017
bookshelves: 2015-plan, philip-ward-500-books, 2016-plan, 2017-plan, classical, history
But none of these allowed either wealth with its prospect of future enjoyment to unnerve his spirit, or poverty with its hope of a day of freedom and riches to tempt him to shrink from danger. No, holding that vengeance upon their enemies was more to be desired than any personal blessings, and reckoning this to be the most glorious of hazards, they joyfully determined to accept the risk, to make sure of their vengeance and to let their wishes wait; and while committing to hope the uncertainty of final success, in the business before them they thought fit to act boldly and trust in themselves. Thus choosing to die resisting, rather than to live submitting, they fled only from dishonor, but met danger face to face, and after one brief moment, while at the summit of their fortune, left behind them not their fear, but their glory.
From The funeral oration of Pericles, once read by generation upon generation of European and American schoolboys who went on to become leader of their nations. No longer. As one watches the two great nations of Athens and Sparta destroy themselves fighting each other, one wishes everyone still studied Thucydides before they voted on members of Congress, or voted as Congressmen about whether to engage in squabbles around the world. This is not to say the United States should retreat to 19th century isolationism, but that it should ask hard questions before deciding whether to act, and think ahead about how to follow up victories and defeats in foreign countries.
Thucydides covers so vast a theater of war, with so many players, over twenty-six years (plus prologue) that it’s impossible to summarize it. Suffice it to say that the train-wreck spectacle is riveting, and his prose magisterial. I really wish I had read this decades ago. It makes one consider subsequent history in a whole new light. The speeches are stupendous for both eloquence and rhetoric, as you watch various populations be manipulated or ignore wise advice.
Also, I need to note that I read the Landmark Thucydides edited by Robert B. Strassler. Accept no substitutes. The notes and maps are fabulous. Strassler understands that a reader is most likely going to tackle this over several weeks, and won’t retain all the details from day to day. So he inserts very repetitive maps on almost every page so that the information you need is right in front of your face. You don’t have to flip wildly back twenty or thirty pages trying to figure out where Miletus or Abydos is. The side margins are full of helpful paragraph numbering and dates, along with a summary of every paragraph’s content/action. A running banner across the top of each page gives date, location and topic. Notes at the bottom of each page link text names to map locations and remind the reader with references to past events. Several appendices in the back describe ground and naval military procedures, governments, religious beliefs, monetary values, dates, etc.
Not a light undertaking, but well well worth the effort.
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Reading Progress
January 3, 2015
– Shelved
January 3, 2015
– Shelved as:
to-read
January 3, 2015
– Shelved as:
2015-plan
January 3, 2015
– Shelved as:
philip-ward-500-books
January 4, 2016
– Shelved as:
2016-plan
January 2, 2017
– Shelved as:
2017-plan
January 23, 2017
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Started Reading
January 24, 2017
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2.24%
"'The question of why they broke the treaty...the real cause, however, I consider to be the one which was formally most kept out of sight. The growth of the power of Athens, and the alarm which this inspired in Sparta, made war inevitable.' Pertinent reading alongside The Wise Men about the shaping of the cold war."
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16
January 29, 2017
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8.42%
"I am thinking that no one should be allowed to become president or member of Congress without reading this book and writing several essays on lessions to be learned. Perhaps we ought to extend that requirement to all voters, in fact."
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60
January 31, 2017
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15.85%
"From Pericles funeral oration: We throw open our city to the world, and never by alien acts exclude foreigners from any opportunity of learning or observing, although the eyes of an enemy may occasionally profit by our liberality...instead of looking on discussion as a stumbling block...we think it an indispensable preliminary to any wise action..."
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113
February 5, 2017
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25.11%
"Diodotus on whether to put all the Mytilenians to death: I think the two things most opposed to good counsel are haste and passion; haste usually goes hand in hand with folly, passion with coarseness and narrowness of mind."
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179
February 11, 2017
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46.28%
"These revolving, double-crossing treaties in the interval after the first Peloponnesian War remind me of what I've read of the treaties preceding WWI, with equally devastating results, I anticipate."
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330
February 12, 2017
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49.37%
"Athenians threatening the council of the small island of Melos: "since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only a question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Read about this confrontation years ago; stunning scene in context."
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352
February 19, 2017
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60.73%
"The reluctant general Nicias writing from Sicily to the Athenians: 'So that the besieger in name has become, at least from the land side, the besieged in reality."
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433
February 19, 2017
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62.13%
"For could anyone have imagined that even when besieged by the Peloponnesians entrenched in Attica, they would still, instead of withdrawing from Sicily, stay on there besieging in like manner Syracuse, a city in no way inferior to Athens..."
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443
February 24, 2017
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Finished Reading
July 30, 2017
– Shelved as:
classical
July 30, 2017
– Shelved as:
history
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