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RETURN TO ROSWELL
By Anne MacFie
was a six-month-old fetus in July of 1947, so I can't Dennis, SFC Clifford Stone, U.S. Army retired, author of
in the front seat with me. When we got to the base hospital, MacFie: How well did you know that nurse?
there were three old military field ambulances where I usually
parked. The M.P.s standing beside the back doors of the am- Dennis: You need to know the background on her. She was
bulances didn't stop or pay a lot of attention to us, and I got 23 years old, from St. Paul, Minnesota. She was raised in
him up the ramp. a Catholic convent, had never gone to a public school. She
The doors on two of those ambulances were open, and I was going to be a nun, wanted to be a teacher, but kept get-
noticed some wreckage in there. When you get plane crashes, ting the feeling that God wanted her to be a nurse, so she
you have to take parts of bodies out of the wreckage. But what changed over to nurse's training. She got into a program where
was odd about this was there were pieces around two to three the military would send her through her last two years of col-
feet that had a real odd shape, kind of like the end of a canoe. lege, then she would be commissioned a second lieutenant
It had a lot of inscriptions on it, about three inches high, that, and give them back three years. Roswell was her first assign-
to me, looked like Egyptian hieroglyphics. The metal didn't ment, (as an Army Nurse) and she'd been there less than three
look like aluminum. It looked like stainless steel that had months.
became very hot — a real purplish-bluish color on the metal. I kept trying to get her on the phone. Finally, she called
I checked the airman into the infirmary and started on back next day about 11 o'clock and said, "I know you've been try-
to the nurses' and doctors' lounge to get a Goke, because it ing to get ahold of me. Why don't you meet me at the of-
was real hot. I saw this captain there I didn't know. Where ficers' club?" I met her out there, and she looked very ill
I got in trouble, I asked him, "Do we have a plane crash?" — had almost gone into shock. She said, "Before I tell you
He said, "Who are you?" this, you have to give me your word you will not mention
I said, "Well, I'm the funeral director from Roswell, and my name or anything I tell you, because if you do, I will be
we have the contract. Looks like maybe we have a plane crash. in very serious trouble."
Do I need to go start making preparations to bring in the What had happened, she went into this room to get some
bodies?" supplies and saw two doctors in there with a gurney and these
He said, "You stay right here. Don't you move. Just stay small bodies that were in a rubber sheet or a body pouch.
right there." He was gone a minute or so, and when he came Two of the bodies had been very badly mangled, like maybe
back, he had two M.P.s with him. He told them, "You get the predators had been eating on them, but one was in pretty
this man out and escort him to the funeral home." good shape. She gave me a diagram she had drawn of the
We were going down the hall when there was this loud voice, little figures and explained what the doctors told her. They
"You bring that S.O.B. back!" There was a big, red-headed wanted her to write down everything they were looking at
officer, about 6 3 ", and he said, "Let me tell you something, as they were examining the bodies.
mister. You don't go back into Roswell and start a bunch of
stories that there's been a crash. Nothing's happened out here!" MacFie: Could she draw well enough to give you a clear idea
I was a litte bit mad. I was very mad! When somebody of what she'd seen?
you've never seen calls you an S.O.B., it upsets you pretty
good! I informed him I was a civilian and there wasn't anything Dennis: Very well. Like one of the hands was severed from
he could do and, as far as I was concerned, he could go to hell. the body, and when they flipped it over, there were little tiny
He said, "Let me tell you, mister, if you do, somebody'll suction cups on the inside of the fingers. Only four fingers,
be picking your bones out of the sand!" no fingernails. The heads were large, eyes were set in. The
There was a black sergeant there with a clipboard, and he skulls were soft like a newborn baby's; they were pliable. The
made the comment, "Sir, he'd make better dog food." (Mean- ears, instead of one canal, had two canals, no lobes or
ing the threat of an attack by security dogs.) anything, just a little flap over each canal. No teeth. The
Anyway, he (the red-headed officer) called me a son-of-a- mouths were just very small slits. Their face and nose were
bitch again and said, "Get him out of here." concave and only two orifices where the nose was. She had
I hadn't taken five or six steps when this nurse that I had this on the back of a prescription pad.
known was coming out of a room. She had a towel up to her
face and looked as if she had been sick. She saw me and said, MacFie: When did you make the drawing that was reproduced
"Glenn, what are .you doing here? Get out of here as fast in UFO Crash at Roswell?
as you can or you're gonna get in a lot of trouble!" Well,
the M.P.s had me by the arms, and they were taking me Dennis: I didn't do that until I came out with my own story.
out, anyway. They did escort me back to the funeral home, But I remember it because I kept files on all the autopsies
MacFie: Another thing, if these little guys have the power MacFie: In the absence of that long-sought "tangible
over us the abductees say they do, why would they let us evidence" of UFOs, one might ask what is there to exhibit
recover their hardware and their dead? Why didn't they just in a UFO museum?
paralyze Wright-Patterson (AFB in Ohio, where the wreckage
is said to have been taken) and take it all back? Dennis: Oh, photographs, videotapes — we'll be construct-
ing some UFO replicas. I'll be doing some sculpture for it.
Stone: Are you so sure they haven't? I would suggest to you Anything having to do with UFOs. We've already started
that in 1947 they assisted in the coverup. Some strange things receiving material and have a secure vault where it's being
happened to some witnesses that were totally unearthly. stored. Stan Friedman, Stone here, Randle and Schmitt, the
Fund for UFO Research, some people in Germany and
MacFie: Can you give us a "for instance?" Switzerland — people have offered material from all over the
world, and we're gonna put it in the International UFO
Stone: That's got to be their story to tell. Museum and Research Center at Roswell, New Mexico.
MacFie: What's happening on the Roswell UFO scene today? MacFie: Do you know yet where it will be?
Stone: There's still a lot of reports coming in from this area. Dennis: We've been offered three different locations. Right
now, we're operating out of a suite of offices on the seventh
Bob Dennis: From Portales all the way to White Sands there's floor of the Sun West Bank Building.
always been a lot of UFO activity. Some of those Elida (a
remote, forlorn village between Roswell and Portales) ranch- MacFie: And your projected date of opening?
ers — your dad knows some of them; he's buried their fathers
and mothers — they've seen things you wouldn't believe. Dennis: Sometime in 1993, we think.
IN THE WINTER OF 1991 we circulated a paper in (The three tables presented in this article remain valid.) Sam-
manuscript claiming to have discovered 13 unusual radioactiveple LA yielded alpha emissions 198% above the control and
isotopes in soil samples from an English crop circle. We beta emissions 48% above the control. Sample IB yielded alpha
argued that the isotopes were products of a type of radioac- emissions 103% above the control, and beta emissions 57%
tive bombardment called "deuteron activation." We are above the control. While we could not submit these figures
satisfied with our logic, but, unfortunately, the basic data to statistical analysis for significance (that requires more data),
turned out to be less solid than we had believed. For that they seemed to us to be strikingly elevated. The soil in the
reason, we pulled the paper from publication, and are samples was two and three times as radioactive as that of the
withdrawing some of the claims we made in it. control. We wished we had taken a second control to com-
pare to the first, but nevertheless, the disparity seemed striking.
IN THIS ARTICLE we will discuss which claims we have We had taken two controls from another formation, made
withdrawn, and which we are retaining. We will also discuss August 9/10, 1991, at SU 076 679. The controls' emissions were
our data problems in some detail, so that our learning ex- quite close to each other, whereas the two samples from in-
perience may be shared with the cereological community. side registered considerably higher.
The two controls yielded alpha and beta counts within 2 %
THE SOIL SAMPLES were taken from a "fish" formation and 4% of each other. By contrast, the two samples from within
formed on July 31/August 1, 1991 at SU 0865 6810 (near the formation yielded alpha and beta counts 22% to 45% higher
Beckhampton.) (1) On August 5th, we took two samples than the averaged controls.
(named "1A" and "IB") from inside, and took a control But perhaps the soil was more variable than we knew. Per-
several dozen feet away ("1C"). These samples were air- haps it was just a fluke that the controls were lower. In two
mailed to Tennelec/Nucleus Instruments (now renamed Ox- other formations we had tested, the controls were actually
ford Instruments) of Oak Ridge, Tennessee. There, they somewhat higher than the samples. (2) Thus, to test soil
were placed in a Tennelec/Nucleus LB40008 gas flow low homogeneity, one of our colleagues, Kevin Folta (a graduate
background counter to measure their emissions of alpha student in molecular biology at the University of Illinois at
and beta particles. (Alpha and beta particles make up two Chicago), tested 20 soil samples collected in a walk around
types of radiation.) This testing, performed on August 18th, DeKalb, Illinois. The tests were made with a liquid scintilla-
yielded the following data: tion counter, which works differently from a gas flow counter,
but it is relative counts that matter here. All 20 samples fell
within a range of 50 to 78 counts per minute, a 28-count spread.
The variation between samples and controls in the Argonne activity. Rather, it finds out what is causing radioactivity. It
circle was much larger than the 28-count range of variation identifies the specific radioactive isotopes within a given
exhibited by the 20 samples taken around DeKalb. Folta's substance.
measurements gave us more confidence that the radiological The gamma spectroscopy was performed on August 26th,
anomalies seen in the English circles was not a fluke. (Of 1991. The results were supplied to us in the form of a
course, we will have to put our hypothesis to the test next computer-processed table of "peaks." Each radioactive isotope
summer by analyzing many more samples and controls, and has a characteristic signature composed of several peaks.
that is precisely what we are planning to do.) When we first saw the data we felt sure there was something
Before going on with our discussion, we want to reassure significant in it. The control had 90 peaks, and sample LA
readers that the radiological anomalies did not appear to pre- had 200 peaks! This looked like very strong evidence that
sent any health threat. Even though the samples emitted higher there was something in the sample which was not in the
percentages of radiation than the control, their total emis- control.
sions were far below the danger threshold. We are dealing Due to the government lab's security restrictions, we were
with very slight effects which are detectable only by extremely unable to view the raw data which the computer had processed
sensitive instruments. It is likely that a handheld Geiger to make the table of peaks. However, we assumed that the
counter would not be sensitive enough to detect them. lab had followed consistent and statistically valid procedures
in processing the three samples' data, so we felt safe in work-
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T he theme for the MUFON 1992 International UFO Sym- State Director, selected Thomas R. Taylor (Tempe, AZ) to
posium is "UFOs: The Ultimate Mystery of the Mil- become the State Section Director for Maricopa County. Tom
lennia." Hosted by MUFON New Mexico, the conference has been a member since 1978. Other new state section direc-
will take place the weekend of July 10, 11 and 12 at the Double- tors volunteering their leadership attributes this month are
tree Hotel in downtown Albuquerque. New Mexico State Saul H. Goldstein, (Upper Saddle River, NJ) for Bergen
Director Teresa Brito Asenap is the symposium chairperson. County; John F. Amadon, M.S., and Diane L. Conrad,
Major meetings will be held in the nearby convention center, M.S. (Essex Junction, VT), Co-State Section Directors for
which is attached to the hotel by enclosed walkways. Chittenden, Grand Isle, Lamoille, Franklin and Addison
Confirmed speakers are Stanton T. Friedman (Canada), Counties; Kenneth J. Grover (So. Casco, ME) for
Philippe Piet van Putten (Brazil), Richard F. Haines, Ph.D., Cumberland and York Counties; Donal L. Barbee (Hilton
Budd Hopkins, Richard M. Neal, M.D., J. Antonio Head Island, SC) for Beaufort and Jasper Counties; Michael
Huneeus, Linda Moulton Howe (keynote speaker), Jacques D. Sandras (Westwego, LA) for the parishes near New
Vallee, Ph.D., Montague Keen (England) on crop circles, Orleans of Orleans, Jefferson, St. Bernard and Plaquemines;
•Clifford E. Stone, Jeffrey W. Sainio on photo analysis and Edward Carlos (Sewanee, TN) for Franklin, Grundy and
Robert J. Durant. The two speakers from Moscow found Coffee Counties; James F. Nelson (Northglenn, CO) for
it necessary to cancel due to difficult internal financial pro- Boulder and Denver Counties; and David A. Holcomb, M.S.
blems. The speaking program has now been completed. (Appleton, WI) for Outagime, Winnebago, Calumet, Green
Registrations for the entire symposium are now being ac- Bay and Waupaca Counties.
cepted at $50 per person for five sessions on Saturday and
New Consultants and Research Specialists
Sunday. The reception on Friday evening at 6 p.m. is $5 ex-
tra. When making your advance registrations, if your last name New Consultants volunteering this month were H. Curtis
starts with A-M, please write to MUFON-NM, P.O. Box Shaw, Ph.D. (Oakmont, PA) in Psychology; Edith Anne
14956, Albuquerque, NM 87191, or if N-Z, write to MUFON- Fiore, Ph.D. (Saratoga, CA) in Clinical Psychology; Nicholas
NM, P.O. Box 7191, Albuquerque, NM 87194, with a check C. Glover, J.D. (St. Petersburg, FL) in Law; and Thomas
or money order payable to "MUFON 1992 UFO Symposium." W. Turner, Ph.D. (Pensacola, FL) in Behavioral Sciences.
American Airlines has again been selected as our official Dr. Fiore is the author of a recent book on abduction ex-
carrier for the 1992 symposium, with special group rates from periences, titled Encounters.
the 48 contiguous states and Hawaii. Another group rate ap- Eleven new Research Specialists joined the MUFON team
plies to Canada. Individual reservations may be booked this past month. They are Mary A. Evans, M.S. (Norcross,
through the American Airlines Meeting Service Desk toll free GA) in Zoology; Mary C. Kerfoot, M.S. (Schaumburg, IL)
number 1-800-433-1790 and identifying the symposium ac- in Psychology; John A. Kennedy, M.S. (Duluth, GA) in Elec-
count number Star #802727 L. trical Engineering; Mark A. Leslie, M.S. (Boulder, CO) in
The annual meeting for all State and Assistant State Direc- Geochemistry; Wesley E. Ellison, B.S. (Baldwin City, KS)
tors is scheduled for Friday, July 10 from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. in Instrumentation; David A. Holcomb, M.S. (Appleton, WI)
at the Doubletree Hotel. The conference will be moderated in Psychology; Roger L. Daniel, M.A. (Troy, MI) in Jour-
by Robert J. Gribble, Western Regional Director. For those nalism; Marilyn C. Cothran, M.S. (Moorpark, CA) in
involved in this important meeting, please plan your transpor- Clinical Psychology; J. W. Bogdanski, M.S. (Saugerties, NY)
tation and hotel plans accordingly. in Electrical Engineering; Diane L. Conrad, M.A. (Essex
A press conference will be held at 1:00 p.m. on July 10th. Jet., VT) in Geology; and John F. Amadon, M.S. (Essex
Speakers should plan to arrive in Albuquerque in adequate Jet., VT) in Soil Science.
time to participate if possible. Two translators offered their expertise; Ann E. Arensberg,
M.A. (Salisburg, CT) in French; and Richard H. Nosworthy
New Officers
(Johannesburg, South Africa) in Afrikaans to English.
Due to the success of the MUFON-Brazil organizational In order to eliminate confusion by the press and govern-
structure, Argentinians are anxious to adopt the same for- ment agencies in Canada, the title of Michael J. Strainic
mat. MUFON-Argentina, under the directorship of Juan
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