Jyotish - K.P. - Progeny & Romance PDF
Jyotish - K.P. - Progeny & Romance PDF
Jyotish - K.P. - Progeny & Romance PDF
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Sothidamamani
K. Subramaniam
(S/0. Jyothish Mart hand
Late Sri. K.S. Krishnamurti)
1. Progeny & Romance 1:
2. Romance and Marriage 16 I
3. Is Progeny Promised? 21 I
4. Why Progeny Prolonged? 26 I
5. Lo_'{_e Mar_i:l_age 31
6. The Prenatal Epoch and Progeny K.P.R.P. 34'
7.. Marriage & Romance Life 56
8. K. P Name of Confidence in astrology
'Love - Before And After Marriage 11 62
I 70
..
56. Adoption -
279
57. On Adoption 287
58. 1K. P. Throws light Over Nadi System Venus,
1
the Karak Planet for Marriage 295
59. Marriage and the Lagna 300
60. Marriage: A Case Study through K.P. . -
305
PROGENY & ROMANCE
Primarily, the fifth house is the indicator of progeny. It denotes
whether one will have child or not.
Ifthe 5th cusp or the 1t th cusp falls in the watery triplicity,
viz. CANCER, SCORPIO OR PISCES cla.;;sified a.;; fmitfol signs,
it promises progeny of other testimonies also lend support. Barrens
signs (viz., ARIES, GEMINI, LEO, VIRGO) on the cusps ofVth
and Xlth, lessen the chances for the birth of children. This is too
general deserve any undue consideration, Taking Sagittarious or
Aqarius Ascendants, for example the 5th cusp will most generally
fall in Aries or Gemin i~ barren signs. Does it not mean that Sagitarius
and Aquarius natives would have very few or no issues at all? Is it
true so far as we know? Will we not fail if we say so? No worthwhile
prediction would be possible if we go by such general rules.
TAURUS, LIBRA, CAPRICORN,SAGIITARIUS are said
to be semi-fruitful signs .(KP.vOL.).
In considering progeny, the houses 2nd, 5th and 11 th houses
have to be referred to, along with JUPITER, the putra karaka or
the chief governor for child birth or the propagation of the species.
The 5th house indicates our progeny, conception etc., and it
is the house of creative power. The 11th house, being the 5th
reckoned from the house respresenting the patner by marriage (i.e
V 11th), has also domain over matter of progeny, by reflex action
even otherwise, the 11th would appear to describe children who
after all, would have permanent ties with native by blood association.
The 11 th stands for all ties of a lasting character as we only too
well know.
The 2nd house which is otherwise knowr as Kutumbhasthana
has relevanu to the growth of the natives family as ares ult of marriage,
birth of children and son, or contraction by the death of the family
members.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati l
Hence the 2nd, 5th and 1 I th house are to be investigated in
combination Jupiter is referred toas BRIHASPATI:II and famed as
Puthrakaraka on the principle that his sphere of life is
"EXPANSION", and so, oue Guruji the great masterrmind
1
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 3
As compared to the 4th which becomes the 12th from the
5th and sixth from the 5th and tweleth from the l ltJi, the lagna may
b~ reckoned to be less unfavourable, but it would be illogical to
assume that the lagna is not a negating influence with regard to the
matters coming under the 2nd.
Ura
Mercury Sun f'ortunn '
Venus
I I
Rahu
Moon
Rasi
Chskram
Lagna
Saturn Nep (R)
Mar, Ket.
Jup.(R}
-- -
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
When we took at the chart from the angle of
KRISHNAMURTIII PADHDHATIIl (sub lord theory), we get the
clue.
As mentioned in the beginning, the Sub lord of the 5th cusp
guides us. Here in this chart, the sublord of the 5th cusp is VENUS
(Venus is also in the contellationlordof5).
Venus is in close proximity to Sun, the owner of the lst(12th
to the 2nd) and in the constellation of Kethu an aborative planet
deposited in lagna which stands as the 12th to the 2nd.
As such the 5th cusp shublord signifies strongly the 1 st house,
a negating infuence to 2nd house.
Further, Puth~ Jupiter is in lagnabhava and haveing
no other planet in its constelation. Jupiter himself is a very strong
significator of the 1st bhava, which is placed in 12th to the 2nd
house, and so denotes detriment to the affairs influenced by the
2nd. As the same planet is stationed in the star of Venus lord of 1 0th
(12th to 11th) conjoined with Sllf4 the owner of the 1st house, Jupiter
is unfavourable for progeny.
Summing up, in terms of KP, one is able to find out the real
reason for childlessness, though traditionally the chart promises birth
of children.
Nativity No. :2:- Natal chart of Smt.Namagiri, wife of aretired
Army Officer, who has no issues till date.
[ l
TJ- -
_J_,.
~
Moon
Rahu Rasi
--
Cbakrsm -
Kethu
Saturn (R) Jupiter
Mars
Nep .
. ----
I -
Krishnamurti Padhdha1i 7
VI 93-08' Jupiter Rahu
Vll 123-15' Kethu Sun
VIII 15gri_44' Sun Venus
lX 191-49' Rahu Saturn
x 220-33' Saturn Stm
XI 246-39' Kethu Saturn
xn 21J 0-os~ Sllll Saturn
In this chart the puthrasthanadhipati Mercury, is in swakshetra
and is in combination with Venus, the bhagyadhipathi, good indication
for the birth of children, there is not even one child for this native
Why? ls it because the 5th cusp and 5th has occupied a barren
sign? No, not merely that KP. will answer the question.
In terms of K.P ., if you look at Sub lord of the 5th cusp, the
answer is obvious that the sublord is moon. Moon is Lagna, stationed
in the star Sathays (Sathabisha) ofRahu, an occupant oflagna. So
the 5th cusp sublord, Moon is signinficator of the 1 st house. Of
course incidentally, lord of 5 and lord of l 1 are barren signs and the
constellation lord and 11 are also place in barren signs.
JUPITER, the Karaka or the chief governor occupies the
constellation of Venus, lord of 4, placed in a barren sign. Jupiter is
himself in a barren sign conjoined with Mars, lord of the 1 Oh (12th
to 11 th) and the abortive node Kethu. Moon is in the lagna; Jupiter
and Mars aspect the lagna. And yet they denied progeny!
Nativity No.3 :- Birth chart of my co-brother Sri.
N. Venkataram, born in a family of big mirasdars, having extensive
landed properties who dies in July'75 without even one child.
I
- -
Sun
Lagna
Moun
Rasi
Chakram
Mars I
Ura I
r:
Jupiter Ke tu
I
I
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
VI 263~22' Venus Saturn
VH
-~_::-~ 292'1-26' Moon Venus
VIII
I-- - ---------t- 320-42' Jupiter Jupiter
IX 351-42' Mercury Sun
x 23-2&' Venus Saturn
X1
- 54-01' Mars Mars
XII
83-22' Jupiter Saturn
Here in this chart you wi 11 be noting that the Purtharasthanandhi
pathi Mars is in his Ucchasthana (exalted position), Makara and
Jupiter the Puthrakaraka is in Db.anus, His moolathrikona as well as
swakshetra and also in the 5th house. As perthe traditional reckoning,
he must be blessed with children. Not even one child was born to
him and he died child less. No conception even.
The 5th sublord (as well as sign lord) is Mars posited in the
star of Moon, lagna lord in 8. Mars also rules the star and sub on
the cusp of the 11th. Mercury, starlord of 5, also occupies the
constellation of a planet in 1 0th.
Jupiter, the significator of children, is in the 5th bhava but it
does not improve the situation as it is in the star of Venus who owns
the 4th cusp (detriment to 5th house), and though Venus is the owner
of 11th cusp also; it does not promote the 1 lthhouse affairs being in
exact (45 *) semisquare adverse aspect to 11 th cusp.
Venus Sun
I
Mercury Mars
Nep
Ke tu Moon
Ura Rasi
Chakram
Langnam Rahu
I Jupiter Saturn
I
Rahu 142-47' I
I Venus Saturn I
I
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 11
Vil 119-51' Mercury Saturn
VIII 155-13' Sun Mercury
IX 188-36' Rahu Rahu
x 217-42' Saturn Kethu
X1 243-53' Kethu Moon
XII 270-12 SlUl Rahu
In this chart also, it may be noted that the 5th sign fium the
lagna is tenanated by the puthurasthanadhipathi Mercury who is in
Taurus conjoined with Venus where they are placed is by no means
a barren sign. Still, She was not blessed with even one child,
The answer lies in the signification by sublord of the 5th house
which is Venus house She is stationed in 4th (12th to 5th and 6th to
11 th) in the star of Moon, a fruitful planet nature and sign but a
deposit or of Bhava that is 8th to 11th and a signification the 8th and
the lagna. Venus is in Moon and Sub, Venus sublord of 5, is also
over of 4th (12th to 5th and 6th to 11 th)
Can the traditional system explain. in manner the cause of
childlessness in case. It cannot be, because there are twin sisters
one of whom is blessed children while the other is denied of any.
When we examine Jupiter's position, we see it is in the star of
Rahu, an abortive planet, occupying a barren sign. Jupiter
sesquiquadrate (135) aspect, an evil aspect the 2nd cusp an
semisquare (45) again mental aspect to the 11 cusp. Thus Jupiter
negates the signification of 2nd or house and does not promote
progeny.
Nativity No. 5:-Nativityof my sister daughter, Smt.S. Who
was widowed after years of marital life, she has no issues.
Langnam
Moon Rasi
Chakram
Nep
Saturn (R)
Ketu
I
Sun 28-33, 1
Jupiter . Saturn
Moon 19-03 ~ ll I Rahu Moon
Mars 15-20' Venus Venus
MeltlJJY(R) 70-55' Rahu Saturn
Jupiter 13-19' Kethu Mercury
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 13
Satum(R) 230-58' Mercury Venus
Venus 84-13' Jupiter Mercury
Rahu 44-54' Moon Jupiter
Kethu 224-54, Saturn Jupiter
Uranus 344-38' Saturn Rahu
Neptune 120"-36~ Kethu Kethu
Fortuna 204-38' Jupiter Mercury
In this chart also, if we go by the traditional method of study,
the 5th lord Mercury is in the Puthrasthanam (5th sign from the
lagna sign), in its own sign Mithuna in combination with Venus the
bhagyarlhipathi and aspect1 ng the 11 th house therefrom. Even then
she is not blessed with a child. Why? Is it because he is in a barren
sign? What explanation does the traditional system has to offer ?
Krishnamurti Padhdhati alone provides a clear explanation.
The rule should be unambiguous and must have universal validity.
To come in to conclusion of whether progeny is promised or not
merely from the positions of the planets connected with the 5th house
(or even the 1lthand2nd house) i.e., their sign or constellational
position, their conjuction, aspect or interchange, would only be
frivolous. For example, in the horoscopes of twins, these will almost
be the same. In actual practice, one of the twins has numerous
children while the other is issueless. What factor explains this
diITerence? Only the cuspal points on the twelve houses. The cuspal
point is thus the most important and the planet ruling the sub-divion
on the constellation where the cusp has fallen, logically, throws the
clue. In the present case, the 5th sublord in Mercury who is also the
5th lord by sign on the cusp. Mercury is in Mithuna, a barren sign,
but in the 4th house according to the method of erecting houses
according to the KP. system. Also, Mercury is in the star of Rahu,
an abortive node and the sub of Saturn, lord of lagna (12th to 2nd).
Good Luck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 15
ROMANCE AND MARRIAGE
(Krishnamurti Padhdhati Verified)
VI 12-35-:51
Ill 18-J:S-5~ IV 19-3~-52 v 16J~51 Suturn I
Rahu
JI 1)-35-51
Moon
VII l0-10-1
NIRAYANA
BHAVACHART
I
Venus
I 10-10-1
vm 13-3S-SI
I
'
Kethu
Fortuna
XII 12-35-S I Jupiter
Mars x 19-35-51 IX l8-3S-S I
Mecury
X! 16-35-51
- Sun
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 17
This has resulted in her secret love with a col league (of another
caste) in her office (Venus is in the sub of Saturn and Saturn for
secrecy).
Let me discuss the planetary positions in terms of the Vllth
cusp, that represents the life partner. The sub lord of the VII cusp is
Moon, deposited in the VII house itself and thus Moon becomes
the full significator for marriage. The Same Moon is in the star of
Mars, an occupant of the V house reckoned fiDrn the Vllth and
owning the V cusp ruling love and romance and in the house of
Saturn, the ruling planet of secrecy
I was consulted by the uncle of this girl in December 1974?
regarding her marriage prospects.
With the above aspects and the position of planets, I hinted
that her marriage cannot be a tradional one, and also added that
marriage will take place, when the sub lord of the VIl cusp Venus
transits the Rasi and the stars of the VII house signifactors i.e. Venus,
Moon and Ketu. (Ketu is in the star of Venus). that is between 16th
and 28th April 1975.in the sub period of Venus~ the s--~ lord of the
VII cusp.
The maniage was celebrated on 21R4.l975 on a Monday, at
about 9-1 Oa.m. in the R.i shabha Lagna owned by Venus, when the
star was Makham governed by Ketu and when Moon was then
transiting the VII Bhava.
I am sure the above analysis and arguments shall impress upon
the readers and they may now understand that KP. alone will give
the minute details of a nativity and so, it is my earnest desire and
request to all astrologers to turn to Krishnamurti padhadhati. the
surest way to successful prediction and raise the image of astrology.
Journeys in the present case even though it does not become
a first grade significator of the 3rd house. Its connection came only
by its a~sociation with Moon, lord of 3. Mars gave break in education
at one time when his period in the conjoint peroidof other significators
opreted not because Mars was a significator of the 8th house in any
manner but only because of his aspect to the 8th house, the house in
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 19
Saturn, Mercury and also Venus in their mutual dasa are also longer.
This is the reason why the anthra period assumes a greater
significance. After a little pratice, it does not look an uphill task to fix
the time of the event by analysing the significations of theplaents
governing the sookshama period. In order to be able to attain mastery
in the art of predicition and to specify the time and nature of events
in a person's life, a thorough grasp ofthenature ofthevarious planets,
the tendencies ofthe zodiacal signs and the affairs under the purview
of every one of the two houses separately and together is needed.
Krishnarnurti padhdhati Reader cotin all the ingredients necessary
for one to become proficient in the seller art and magazine Astrology
and Athrishta under the stewardship of the late masters's worthy
son guides is to enrich our knowledge of this noble science day after
day.
Good Luck
Houses II v : XI
Sign Lord Venus Moon I R-Sat
~--
Sign Lord
:
RMSat J_t. -~R~Sat_ . R-Sat -:
~tar Lord I Moun~us I Mars ---1---""2 _
lSub-~-~~~ R-Sa_t_ 1. _ VVeer~~~etu I Mer --J
The position of the moon, called Mathi should indicate the
querrent's mind. Here Moon is lord of the 5th House, but in a barren
sign. It is posited in the star and sub of Venus, lord of 2nd and 7th
house in 1 lthhouse. So the position of Moon clearly depicts the
querents mind regarding child birth.
In order to judge whtL1ler one is promised children. the
fo] lowing three conditions are to be satisfied simulaneously, reference
Horary Astrology by Slui Krishmunurthi.
page 192.
1. The Sub Loni of the 5th House is not retrograde;
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
III 5-33-.23
Sat IR)
l 11-26-10 II ll-~O. :!
:10.11.23
lV 28-33-23
XIJ [ 28-31-46
.lup. 25-24-52 Querrr:nt Husb1rnd
venu.s
Child Birth When?
v 23-33-23
5-49-53
Mer. l-56-34 N-0.9"
Judgement Thne
XI 24-33-23 9~15 p.m. M 29-1-72 Moon
Sun Judgement Ke~akot 14-19-ll
15-42-1 VI 28-31-46
x 2~-33-23 VII
Mars 11-59-40 VII
11-10-52 Rahu l 1-26--10
IX 5-33-23 1340-2
M~onlKetu
1
I
1 I
Mars Jup I
R-Sat r
I Moon Jup I
Rahu II Rahu
--~--
R-Sat
_:_____J
---
1. It is not rctmgmde.
2. lt is posited in the Star of Saturn which is retrogade.
3. It represents 11 th House. being deposited in the star of retrograde
Saturn.
Houses II v XI
Sign Lord Moon R-Mer Jup
Krimamurli Padhdhati
3. It represents 2nd house being conjoined with Moon, lord
of 2nd house.
Out of three conditions, only two are satisfied.
Visited our house and his wife gave me the number '48'
between I and 249. The chart of the heavens at 9-34 p.m. on 4-2-
1975 at Kalakotis as under:-
XU 3-32-36 I 8-40-0
XI 25-3-48 Sa1um-(R)
Ke tu
13-19-59 !'9-47-19
Jup_ 26-43-42
x21-3-48 Querent- Wife II 0-3.-43
Ven~ Chied Birth When? Ill 23-3-48
13-20-12 No.-48
Men;ury(R) Judgement time
29 31-31 9-34 p.rn. or 4-2-75 IV 21-3-48
IX23-3-48
Sun2l-47-50 Judgemenc Place
VIII O:l_-48 Ka1akot
VI 3-32-36
Mars Moon
16-46-27 8-37-8 v 25.3.4g
Vfl 8-40-0 Rahu
J],]9-59
Jup.
1-- -~--
I Venus Sat(R)
----T--
Rabu Kethu l
I
i
R-Sat I R-Sat R-Mer Mars Venrn
I
I ----1
~K_e_tu_~I-~~~~~l_M_ar_s_I~~- L
Jup Rahu I Rahu R-Sat Moon I
i I
Ralru
Krishnarnurti Padhdhati 25
WHY PROGENY PROLONGED?
Jup. 25-25
Mars 29-55 m 24-18
l 23-53 u 25-18 Ura. 7-23
lV 20"18
Kethu 0-40 Saturn 5-25
XII 19-18
v 18-18
25-8-41
8-48-36 p.m.c. 5
80'()\' EQ'39'N
XI 18-18
Ayanamsa: ~2'56 Sun 10-03
Mere 17-24
VJ 19-18
Rahu 0-40
X20-1S Nep 3-35
IX 24-18 VIII25-18
Ven 13-48
Moan 0-49
VII 23-53
I Constellation ~
f-----~------- +- - - -- ---.
!--Sllll
_______ LKethu __ -------+---S~t~1_1_ _ _ l
Moon Mars i\l!~_rc_l1!1'_ -I
Mercury Venus Mars I
1---_Ju_p_i_te_r_----+-_M_a_r_s__ __ _ _ _ ~~- - -1
Venus Moon Rahu
i Sattnn Stm
t-----------jc--------------i--------
Mercury
Rahu
r----------t------
Sun Rahu
~-+-~------1
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 27
Here, a"l the Sun is in Kethu Star, Saturn sub it is afflicitedand
the conjuction of Mercury, lord of 7th. with Sun shows that the
nctvcs or the generative region lacks vitality.
Next Venus in the sub of Rahu in rapconjuction with Neptune
shows that there is obstruction to fertility.
The newly married couple maintained pin-drop silence and
watched me very closely when I analysed their problem.
I felt very sorry to give such a prediction as above. They are
knovm to me for a quite long time. even before their marriage. After
their marriage, they tried to contact me on several occasions for
prediction on the question of issues but they did not have an
opportunity of getting prediction due to fate.
Now after coming to this station, they had come in search of
me for the prediction but the fate had decided otherwise, when I
volunteered to help them.
They wanted me not to hide anything and requested me to
come out frankly with all the facts in my analysis.
The husband broke the silence
"Yes S'1va 1. come on ..........p1ease continue
' . .
"Dear friend ..... .The 5 cusp shows the conception child while
the 11th cusp shows the pleasure of have a child of your own. So
we must analyse the 1 lth cusp also before coming to a candid
conclusion.
Both become very attentive again to my analysis. They had
consulted several other astrologers on this questions and had been
confused with different and varying contradicting predictions. So
they are very keen in listening to my analysis in detail. The 11 th cusp
is in Saturn sign Moon star Mercury Sub. Here too. the deciding
factor is Mercury. This has been discussed earlier. Mercury is
conjoined with Sun (sublord of 8 conjoined with lord of 6th) in the
constellation of Venus in 8th house and also from J 1 th house. So
this too, does not assure the pleasure of having a child of own.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 29
Jupiter and Venus are in Rahu sub. Further Rahu gives the
results of Sun and Mercury which are in conjudion. Mercury denotes
nerves while Sun denotes vitality. As Saturn is in Sun star Mercury
sub. reject Sun and Mercury, and select Saturn. Rahu gives the
results of Mars also. So Rahu Jupiter and Mars along with Saturn
show hernia while Saturn and Venus along with Jupiter. Mars and
Rahu shows Hydrocele . So he may be having hernia or hydrocele
which is the penance. As Mars aspects Rahu and significator of 5th, it
shows surgical treatment.
GoodLuck.
PROGENYANDROMANCE 30
LOVE MARRIAGE
'Usually astrologers discuss men's chart rather than women's.
Here lam going to discuss a Lady's chait who was blessed with
love manfage. The love marriage was predicted by me well in advance
with the help of Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti 's method populaily known
as K.P. The details ofthe chart are as follows.
Bal ance in Rahu Das a : 17y 4m 2 I d
XI XII Sun
8 43' 50" 10~ 58' 14" 3 21 '18"
x 529'36" Kethu Mercury I 10 58'18"
Venus
z4a 38" 24'' 15~45' 9"'
20~ 2S'02"
Cuspal Signilicators:
~
Cusp Stat Lord Sub Lord
II Saturn Mercury
'
v Rahu -~T-
Jupiter
VII Kethu Saturn
--
XI Kethu Jupiter
I - - .. ...__ ___ I
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 31
Bhava Significators :
7 Venus& Jupiter
Rahu
11 Kethu Sun Mars
The KP rule says that the 7th cusp sub lord should be connected
with the 2nd and 1 1th houses to get married. It is a love marriage
the 7th cusp sub lord shoud be connected with the 5th and the I Ith
houses. Here in the given chart the 7th cusp sub lord is Saturn. 7th
Lord Jupiter is 11 th cusp sub lord and 7th house star lord Kethu is
in 11th house. Jupiter is also the lord of the7th house aspectinghis
own seventh house and the Xlth house. Further he is in the star of
Sun. who in-conjunctionwith Karaka Venus. is aspecting the 7th
house. Jupiter is in the sub or Rahu who occupies the 5th house, the
house oflove affairs.considering all these factors I boldly declared
that the lady's love would end in marriage.
To find out the time ofmarriage2,5,7, 11 houses significators
hould be considered. The house significator table is given above.
The Das a lord Jupiter is favourable as he is the owner of the7th
house. Bhukti lord Mercury is also favourable as he is in the star of
II house owner Moon. The anthra lord Venus is favourable as he is
in the star and sub of Jupiter, lord of the Yll house. Further Venus is
aspecting the 7th house. The Sookshmalord Rahu is in the 5th house
represneting Venus. Rahn is also in the star of Jupiter and in the sub
ofMercury.
As predicted the love marriage took place in Jupiter Dasa.
Mercury, Bhukti Venus Anthra and Rahu Sookshma.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 33
THE PRENATAL EPOCH AND
PROGENY K.P.R.P.
The above caption may look odd and viewed as such by the
readers and students of Krishnamurti Phadhathi propounded by late
SriKSK.
I took delight in making this article only to establish the matter
that prof. KSK had been guided by Pre-Natal Epoch to found the
five Ruling Planets ie., Day lord, Lagna Rasi Lord, Starlord, Moon
Rasi lord and Star lord a speciality by itself.
He told me thathe got inspiration only Thro. P.N.E to form
these RP, and explained about the same in a short way.
Let me explain first what this PNE is. It is Prenatal Epoch.
Prenatal means before birth and Epoach means begining of
an.Era.
So this is the beginning of a birth and it is the actual moment in
which human generation commenced is to say the moment of the
conception, it.;;elf.
The conception, in fact can be said to be Ik generation of
mere human seed, but the birth is that of man itself.
So from Sri KSK's words, 1 could refer and form the ideas
that the moment of birth should have the same RPs which could be
found at the moment of conception itself
That is why he used to advise while checking the birth charts
for rectification, to see if the moon star lord and rasi lord collabrates
with lagna and the lagna star and Lagna Rasi\ord at the moment of
birth with the moon position, as it was his personal working
expetience.
So it is perfectly admissible that it is commitant with reason
that the configuration of the RPS as they exist at the time of birth
folly agreeing with the configuration of RPs fom1d at the time of
conception (PNE).
In this context, I may refer the reader to a few lines by Levelen
Geroge in his book A to Z as follows :-
Krishmumuti Padhdhati 35
"When scientists finally got around to seriously and open -
minededly investigating and reasoning Astrobiology, they found the
simplest and most dependable way to prove its reliability, is to work
back way through what the Astrologers call lTheNatal Epoch,"
which is merely an Astrology method of counting back from the
exact birth time of infants to the true and precise time of conception
- which will invariably and infalibly reveal that a Sun - Moon
relationship to match that oftheMother's at her birth and will also
match the sex of the infant by the sex ofthe Astrological sign in
which the Moon was deposited at that time."
What Linda Good Man has told now, had already been
indicated by our sages of previous centuries.
So at this juncture like- to point out to the readers, that Leers
- vellen George, through the wrote in his book A to Z, descriptively
about PNE, but had not given any clear, cut procedure to find out
the conception time of the mother.
I have given some Horoscopes, with a procedure to find out
the PNE, using the SUN - MOON relationship from the Mother's
Charts interms of What is told by Sivagnanamunivar and Linda Good
Man.
To illustrate these matters, T take up the Horoscope of a
Mother born on 31-3-1-4-52 at4.20 am at 13 - 4'-80 1T
l'\lfCr'.
(2.5.33,47) Jupiter MoDn (2"20-
20"-40'-2311 (0. 7.30 21Y- ! 4'-18"' 26)
Sun (17-58- 22~14'-l8Ll JV L6 11-14. -4!r
211 llI v
\burn I25-44-
371 13('-14'48"' VI
1511 -15'-JT'!
Ralm(5.27-12) Mars Period
Yrs 2-3-8 days
!Ketu (5.37. 12~
13q 4. -48'\ XI! ! 5L~-15"3 7"
Vll
'
-
PROGENY AND ROMANCE 36
This woman has a son born on 29-10-1989 (Sunday) at 12.50
p.m. at 13 -4 -80 17.
The birth chart is as next page:-
Jup. (17-10-
26"-3 7 '-S9"Ill 26"-)7-59V IV n~-37'-59" v 56}
19"-37'-59-
VI I
l 7P)4 '-59'"
22''3 T 59'' JI I
VII
I Kctu 28-18-
Rahu Period 19
Yrs 156-19 days
Rahu (28-8-19) I 22~-37'-59'"
J1L34 '-38" I VIII
26-37'~59" x
Venus 28-23- Sun 12-9-34 26-37'-59'.
!9"37'-59" XU 2Q Moon 8-28-
11 IX
Sat! 15-37-17) 23 37'-59'' 48
XI Mere 4-22-19
Mars 2-2 t-46 . - I
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 37
While doing it, we could find out 13-1-1989 is the proper
date, on which date the Sun & Moon difference corraborated and
maintained and that date being the same thithi of the Mother's
birthday.
Further going deeper, it is arrived at 2-52 pm on 13-1-1989
at 13 deg 4'-80'-1 TE duly finding the distance of 74 deg-22-3H
having been formed. This 74-22'3" is the same distance between
Sun & Moon as you have already seen in the Mother's chart.
With this Data, is 2-52 pm on 13-l-1989at 134'-801 T
- the Pre-Nata] Epoch chart is made out and is as under.
Now we have arrived at the time of Pre-Natal Epoch of this
child, with the procedure, as already told
With this chart in hand, now you note the PNE chart is
controlled by the Ruling Planets as detailed here under:-
1. Day lord ~ Venus
2. Lagna Rasi lord Venus
3. Lagna Starlord Moon
4. Moon Rasi Lord Jupiter
5. Moon Star Lord Saturn (Rahu)
In the birth chart of the boy, you will note that the child is born
in Makara Lagna and so ruled by Saturn, Lagna degree has been
17-34-38, the star lord of the ASC ruled by Moon. Moon is
deposited in this chart of 13()-5 7 in Pisces. So the star lord being
Saturn and Rasilord, Jupiter. Day Lord being Sun.
In a study reg the RP"s you can note that the child is born in
Makara Lagna in terms of the Moon star lord in PNE chart and boy
born in sw,1thi star ovmed by rahu represents saturn in all the three
charts of, Mothcrs child's and PNE. venus as rasilord, who is the
Lagna lord ofthePNE chart day lord of the PNE in venus and it is
the Moon Rasi Lord of theboy.
In the PNE chart, Moon is in 13-57~ in Pisces there are
planets in Moon star. so it is in the star of Saturn in sagitarius (Male
sign). Moon is in the sub and Rahu is in the aquarius 1331 '(a
male sign). so the sex of thechild is male it corraborates.
2ir'-2 I '-36'"
25-2 l "-36 .. Ill j26-:! 1 -36'" 11 26''58"-16'" I
XII
21".ol".r.39 X""
Moont0-1-34} 21 ~-W-39'' Ill
Balance in Mars
Yr~ ~-5-22 days 2J....p;1 -J9" IV
2 l"-49"-39.. IX
Mar (3-2-36)
Kc tu( S- l 3-39)
i.2 I"-49" .39 VIII 29'- l r --4-1" VU" W'-49'39'' V1 Sun ( 16-J 7-55)
Satt22-29-34)
Mer( I2-S0.241 21 ..:19_39-- v
Ven (27-27-36~
Rah1.1 (22-55-
SI} 17Q-ss 1x 17-55' x I 6''-.55' XI
16~-ss xi
Mar(28u-47-16)
Jupt23-2t-5) 16'~.55 XII
16-.3Y-9"YU
PNECHART
Sunday II
16-55' VI 16"-35 '.9 I
Sun(l l-26-
16.ii.55 v SSJ Vcn(27-34- 16''-55" ll
Sum IJ-0-371 I 1"-55' IV 45) Ki.:tu(22-58-
Mer( 4-23- 7) Moon (8-34- 17"-55' Ill 51)
40)
From the PNE chart, you can now note the Ruling Planets ie
Lagna Star Lord, Venus
Lagna Rasi Lord, Sun
Moon Star Lord, Saturn
Moon Rasi Lord Mars
Day Lord : Sun
J 4~-10 Vlll
Mars (4-7)
I 6~-33' -20 [
m
Balance in Mars
~00!1(2&.2.5-27) Yrs 5-4-2 days 14"-l ()I'
J60.33.2ovu fop (29-54)
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 41
First I shall draw the horoscope of the Mother and is as under.
The child chart is as under (at 4.00 pm on 25-7-1994) at
13-4,/80-77' E.
Rahu(2 626
1-36"-47 I
5"59' XII 25) 3"-59' x
up(l 1-48-48)
4-59" Xl
Merf 1-21-
Rahu(I023- 5)
2gu.4' 5'' XII 56) Sun(IB-841)
1c.4.5" XI 5"-4 '-5'' x Jup(4-57-57)
M11r~(2-4-2) 2-4'-5'' JX
Veaj_0-16-22_1
From the mother's charts, you may note that SUN is in 58-
52'~12' and Moon 290-8'-57'' thus making a longitudinal distance
from SUN to MOON is formed to 231 Cf_ I 6. ~45''
The Child's birth chart is as under.
~ - -----~ .
17-40" 2 Ill
Mer(17-21- 14"-14'-53 ..
44) VIII
Sat(2" I 9-42} IV
Venus Balance
14"-i4'B II Yrs 8-4-22 days l 7"40. 2'" TX
Rahu(22-IO-
l3o)ll'4l'" I 29) ~0"-40' 2"' XI Jup( 16-3117)
1711 -40"- 2" 20"-40'- 2" x
XII
9o.33 '14" XI
IV 9~-33'-14" v
12-43-l3 night
of Friday
on 19-6-1992 9"-D'-14" VI
Moon(26D-2)
Sat(2420-20) (P.N.E. Chart) Jup(l4-25-8)
9''33'14" II
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 45
From the childs birth chart RPs:
Lagna star Lord : KETU (VENUS)
Lagna RASI Lord : JUPITER
Moon star Lord : VENUS
Moon RASI Lord : Mars
Day Lord: VENUS
ln terms of PNE Start RPs
Lagna star Lord : SA1URN
Lagna RASI Lord : JUPITER (RAHU)
Moon star Lord : Mars
Moon RASI Lord: SATURN
Day Lord: VENUS
You will note the RP's as found in the PNE chart are exactly
the same as in birth chart. No more deviation at all.
The Moon in the PNE chart in Capricorn and in the star of
MARS in ARIES but in the SUB of Rahu, placed inthe star of Ketu
in Gemini, a male rasi so the birth of a male baby.
Following is the birth chart of another mother born on J6-9-
1932at11.00pm at 11-6'/79-42'the birth chart is as under:
Mars (4-40)
Rahu (2.3-42) 14-ll' lll
lJ"-11' x Venus; (I 5 -4 )
v
Mercury Period 13"-11' IV
14Qll' lX Yrs. l Q-9-8 days Jupll 5--1}
Sat(5-31) Mer( 19-~4)
Kellll2342)
jven(2&-13-22)
10''-::!S II 8"-19 VII
~a!rn(5-26-S2) v
Wednesday
'
Jup
8''19' 1 Yrs 9-8-9 days Ketu(5-26-52
IU"-2S'Vll
1
From the Mother s chart you will note that Sun is in 150-
43 '-16" and Moon is on 35P'-32'-29'' so they are in 200-49'-
13' apart fromeach other ie Moon is from Sun .
As the daughter is born on 2-4-1952, the period of Epoch
must have been rear about 273 days (Ten Lunar Months) back and
should have been around 26-6-1951.
But on a scrutiny. such a difference of 200-49' -13"' found
maintained between sun & Moon on 20-21 to 6-51 only at 5 30-4
am at 13-4'/80a-7TE.
And with this date, the PNE chart worked out is as under
KrNmamurti Padhdhati 47
Mer(O-l-4)
Jup (27-59-4) 0-32 XU J "-42'-51 '' l
27~32
IM ars {28-1 -4) Sun(S-39-)
27"-32'11
24"-32'X
~ahu(10-:53-4) Ven(20-5S-4)
24u.32'11L
Wed-Thus
v
24'>-32'1X P.N .E. Chart ~etu(2{l-5 3-4)
24"-32'1V
24"-32'
Moon(26-45- Sun(2-49'-4)
0"-J2'YI 21~-nv
4)
111 -42'-51) VII
3"-33' VI
VII
2~-33 v Rahu (9334)
s.
0"-4 -51" Moon (23-2-
29-''33. -00 2)
29~33' IX
Vlll
0"-33" 1\1
VI
Fri/Sat
P.N. E. Chart J~.33 VI
Sal ( JJ-4-34)
29')-JJ. Ill
~ars(23-0-5Z J 29"-3 3-00 II Kctu (9-3-34~
2-H' Xl
~up( 13-Sb-i~ \ Vc:n (3-57-J I) )''-)]' XII
Mc:r(5Al6) 0-45 '-57'' !
Sun (2-22-~)
- -
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 49
From the PNE chart RPs
Lagna star Lord: Jupiter
Lagna Rasi Lord : Mars (Rahu)
Moon Star Lord : jupiter
Moon Rasi Lord : Mercury
Day Lord : Venus (Ketu)
Sons Chart RPs:
Lagna star lord : Mercury (ketu)
Lagna Ra.;;i Lord : Jupiter (Rahu)
Moon star Lord: Jupiter (Rahu)
Moon Rasi Lord : Jupiter (Rahu)
Day Lord : Mercury (Ketu)
Here Lagna star lord Jupiter is the Moon star lord, Lagna
Rasi lord Mars (Rahu) is akin to moon Rasilord through
representation of Mars ie Rahu in PNE chart, as Jupiter stands for
Rahu.
Moon Star Lord Jupiter, stands for Lagna Rasi Lord. Day
Lord in PNE chart Venus. is represented by Ketu and in the birth
chart the day lord Mercury stands for Ketu.
Moon in the PNE chart is in Gemini in the star of Jupiter in
Sagitarius (both Male signs). And the same Moon is in the sub of
Saturn in a male sign, placed in the star of Ketu in Libra a male sign,
so male child
Another mother has the birth detai ls as under
Date ofbirth 16/17-I -1952
Time: l-30am IST
Place: 9-36'176-34"
The birth chart is as next page:
17"-9" v 18"-9" x
?. ahu( 1-25-43)
VII
Venus Period
16''-9' IV Yrs-7-21 days Kelll ( l -25
Sun ~2-18-3) 43)
l 7"-9" x
lSll-15'-39" I
Ven (23-49- 19"-9_ XII
l 6~-9' ll Mars(5-l&-
I 31 Sat (21-44-3)
t-1er( t 1-29-43 ~ 33)
17"-9' II
Fom the Mothers chart you may notice that the Sun is in 272
1
-54 -23', and the two planets are in 232-26"-20" apart from each
other ie Moon from Sun.
She has a boy born at 8.33 p .m. IST on 25-1-1979 at 13-
4!/80-lT the chart is as under:
Kehr (26-21
4.j) Jup ! I 0-2 1-1)
R
17"-4'-46- VII Thursday
l 7-9- -9- Xll I
vrr
17''-19'-9" Vl Balance in Ketu 17"-4 '-4t.'" I
Sun{ 11-29-52) Yrs4-6-l0 days Sat (I q-26-11)
Mar( 10-17-61 Rahu(16-2 I
Mer( l-44-8) 4-.l)
17"-19'-9"" v
Moon (4-23- Vi:n (24-U- I 7- l 9'-LJ II
271 4'.l'.J 18''-19-9
l&".]9'-19"
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 51
With this data, the PNE'chart worked out is as under:
Mo:rf:'.1-26-~:>)
-
8'-16'23" Xtl Vcn{64-2C!)
K<ll<>l I 0-H- J7) 6''- l 6. -3J" fl
Slln( 12-53-4 I 9-40'-37" t
~"I 6- -2r :XI
Jup(l!-48-55)
6"-16'-.B"
VIII 6''-16. -23" Vl 2"-16"-H- V
9'J-40'-JT VU
Moon ~4-5~- Rahut I 0-51-
-IJ) 17}
Here the Moon star in boy1s chart is the same in PNE &
Cyart and Lagna star lord. Venus becomes Lagna Rasi Lord in PNE
chart. Lagna Rasi lord becomes Lagna star lord in PNE chart and
virtually no fall back.
Moon in PNE chart is in Sagitarius~ is in the star of KETu in
Pisces (a female sign) But Moon being the sub of Mars in Cancer
posited in the star of Satrun in Leo a male sign t.1e child is a boy.
Another more Mother with birth details in 4-11 -1960 at 4.30
pm. at 17-20'/78(l30" is taken up for scrutiny. The birth chart is
as under:
28-l 4-.iO I Moon C!9-59- 0''-3 II" II
46) 22'-38: IV
21"-38 Ill
Mars 123-45)
23~-25' VJ
22-25' IV l 9~-25' !II
Sat (S-13) 23"-2j' v
Mer{l2-46-l I 1
v..
n( 19-4 8-5 ~ >
22-l'-3J" VJ 21"-1'-33" XII
!Mon (4-42-5) s~n('.1:3-14-1 '.I)
Monday Ma5()8- I 9-J 7 l
(~N.E. Chart)
'"'-- -
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 53
Moon star lord of thechi Id chart, Saturn becomes the Moon
Rasi Lord of PNE chart. Lagna Rasi lord Mercury is PNE chart
corraborates with the Lagna star lord in the child birth chart.
At the same time Lagna star lord in PNE chart is the Lagna
Rasi lord in the child 1s chart.
Moon is in Aquarius in PNE chart. Moon is the star of Mars
in Cancer a femal sign. Moon is in the sub of Venus, placed is the
star of Mercury in cancer a female child. which is of female sex.
Day Lord Mars
Moon Rasi Lord Jupiter
Moon Star Lord JuPfer
Moon Sub Lord Rahu
Lagna sign Lorcl Venus
Lagna Star Lord Moon
Lagna Sub Lord Mercury
We will take ketu also which is in the house of Jupiter. Now
the fiuit:fi..il significators are mars, jupiter, rahu, venus, moon mercuty
andketu.
At the lime of judgement Jupiter Dasa. rahu bukthi is running.
Jupiter is in the II house and it is in the star of venus who is in the
Vlth house. It is in its own sub. So Jupiter dasa is favourable rahu is
in the Xlth bhavan. No planet is in its star. So rahu is powerful next,
we wi11 have to find out favourable anthra. At the time of judgement
satmn anthra is running up to 14-4-96 as we have already rejected
satum, now we look at mercury anthra. Since mercury has given its
power to ralm as he is the agent of mercury and mercury is the sub
lord of Vllth cusp and I Vth cusp. We can reject mercury. Next
anthra is ketu we can select ketu. Why> ketu is the representative
of Jupiter. Furthermore ketu is in the star of mercury, lord ofXIth
and is in the sub of rahu who is in the Xlth bhavam. The one more
reason to select ket is he is the sub lord of find cusp. The ketu
anthra is mnning from 16-8-96 to 7- I 0-96. In ketu anthra we select
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 55
MARRIAGE & ROMANCE LIFE
SEPARATION FROM HUSBAND 'DUE TO IMPOTENCY OF HUSBAND
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 57
in whose star Mercury is tenanted, and such Mercury is sub
lord of Moon. Therefore. Moon acquired the signification of
2,7 feebly and 1, 10,4,Sand 6 strongly, with the signification
of 2,7 marriage will take place and with the signification of
1, 10,4,6separation from husband and Divorce is the Result.
(2} a Next step is to see how she will lead the married life? for
which we have to see the XIth cusp. The Xlth cusp is coruled
by Mercury sign lord, Sun Star Lord and Jupiter Sub Lord. lf
these planets Mercury Stars. So Mercury signifies in Whose
star and sub he is deposited. Mercury is in the Star of Rahu in
(Barren sign) Mercury also in (Barren sign) such Rahu is 6th
(The 6th house is negation to Vllth) and in the sub of Moon
who is significator of I, I OA. The signification of l, 10.4,6are
fully negation to smooth manied life.
b. The Star Lorri ofXIth cusp is SUN who is in 9th (Good) in
the Star of Jupiter in 9th lord of Vth and fflrd(Good) but it is
not enough. The Sub Lorri should be good. The Sub occupied
by Sun is Mars, who is significator of 2~7,6,12. The 6, 12 is
bad in marital happiness.
c. The Final deciding factor is sub lord of XIth cusp, who is
Jupiter. Jupiter though in his exaltion in 9th Bhagyastana and
lord ofVth is very good combination for material standard
and other things in life, but there is planet in Jupiter Star. Here
Jupiter signification depends upon the Star and sub occupied
by him. Jupiter is in Mercury Star. Such Mercury is in the star
ofRahu. So signifies 2, 7,6,12.
Therefore, the total signification of sign star sub ofXlth cusps
are more stronger for 1.10,4,6. This indicates displeasure,
unhappiness, life-partner's inability and unsuccessfulness in conjugal
happiness on the results. Moreover the Jupiter Xlth cusp sub lord
having 45 degrees aspect with xith cusp and 135 Degrees to Vth
cusp. The affliction ofVth and Xlth Cusps with Sub lord ofXIlth
cusp is sure sign of impotency of husband with the signification of
6.12 and jupiter aspecting 4th house.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 59
CUSPAL POSITION PLANATAR'r" POSITION& ffSSIGNIFICATlONS
CUSP STAR SUB PLANET STAR SIGNJFTR SlJB SIGNlFITR
(b) If the Sub lord of 2nd Cusp is significator of 2,7 and 11th~
lhen Ilnd marriage is possible ...
There are the rules for Ilnd Marriage in KP.
Let us see whether Ilnd Marriage is promising or not as per
the above rules. The Sub lord of Vllth cusp is Moon. Such Moon is
in satw11 Star and Mere. sub. The Saturn and Mere. both are in dual
signs Meena and Mithuna Hence more 1han one maniage is possible.
The sub lord of !Ind cusp is Jupiter, who is in the Star of Mercury
lord ofXIth in 8th aspecting Vth and Ilnd houses. Therefore~ it is
sure that the Girl will be manied 2nd time. Whether she will have
children or not???
If the Vth cusp co-rules, are significator of 2,5, 1lt then one
will be blessed with children. Here the sign lord and star lord of Vth
is Jupiter (Putrakaraka) in 9th, Vth to Vth is good. in the star of
Memiry, lord ofXth and Jupiter aspecting Ilnd and Vth houses
(Good). The Sub lord of Vth cusp is Rahu, who is agent of mars,
lord of Ilnd house, in the sub of Saturn in Vth and also significator of
KrNnmnurti Padhdhati 61
K. P NAME OF CONFIDENCE IN
ASTROLOGY
'LOVE' - BEFORE AND AFTER
MARRIAGE
On the above subject, generally everyone tries to avoid the
discussion. If it is the birth chart of some lady, then there is no question
of the above subject. But now-a-days, as we see in every walk~of
life, ladies are not lacking behind in the free discussion on the above
subject.
I was not interested in the above birth charts through this point
of view but I was rather challenged, indirectly.
This lady, let us can her "M' ,entered in my chamber to have
myadvice about her service matters. I enquired about her birth details.
She told the birth date but not the birth time. She was not willing to
give the approximate time also, as in the morning or evening day or
night. As usual, I have collected her major back incident in her life.
1 have replied her query on the horary basis which came true.
As we know, approximate birth time can be rectified and
corrected in KP. with the help of nlling planets, the marvelous
invention of late K.S.K. Guruji.,
Date ofbirth-15-10-1959
Time of birth - Not known
Plac eofbirth - 21" - 1On, 79" - 12E
Ruling planets at the place of judgement am time of judgement
Date - 29-05-96 at 15.25 hrs
Place - 20'-38, N, 78V53'E
Ase -Kanya- 29-875 - Mer- Mangal
Moon - Kanya - 29-13-16~ Mer - Mangat
Day - Wednesday - Mer
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 63
there is break and hinderance during education. Education is stopped
after H.Sc. with second attempt in the period of Ketu~Gwu. Sukra.
(3) About marriage - 7th cusp sublord is Sukra, in its own
star. So the partner must be looking charming. It is signifying 3&4
so he must be from the near about place.
7th cuspal sub~lordis signifying3,4,6only at stellar and sub
level. So her marriage life is not peaceful. Due to absence of2,5.,.1 L
significance, there is no family life, love, permanent tie of friendship
in married life.
But at the same time, 7th cuspal sub-lord is Sukra, in its own
star situated infiry signleo. So there is burning sex in her. Then how
can she tolerate it? Marriage took place in the period of Ketu-Mer-
Kethu. Both of them are in the sub-of-Sukra, significator of 3 ,4,6.
Then how the maJTiage took place during this pe1iod? There is no
planet in the star of Sukra and it is the cuspal sub lord of7. So it is
powerful significator of 7 also.
Just after marriage, she got Government service during the
period of Sukra~Sukra-Chandra. Now she get chance of mixing
with opposite sex.
Due to the powetful signification of 3,4,6 by the Dasa lord,
the marriage life is turned into hell, and gradually slided to divorce.
(4) About love affairs: 5th cusp sub lord is Sun, in the star of
Mangal and sub of Sani. So she got the daring due to Mangal and
Sani knows to rule. So she was dare devil and fearless in love affairs.
Mangal and Sani are in dual sign.
Stellar significance of Ravi is 5, 12 and Sub-signification is 7,
11 . So she enjoyed everything openly in love affairs.
(5) About Second Marriage:- She is beautiful, charming,
fearless having good job in Govt. dept. She must have tried for the
same. There should have been offers for 2nd marriage. But it was
not possible for her.
PRnr.FNV ANnROMANrF 64
Dasa lord is also not connected. 2nd cuspal sub-lord is Mer but not
connected to 7& 11, so second marriage is not destined to her.
(6) She was not willing to discuss about her children: - Lastly
she admitted that, I was knowing your talent in astrology and that's
why I was not willing to give my birth details to you, and 1 was
interested to solve my service problem on the horary basis. It is
very surp1ising that K .P can analysis so minutely and accurately in
absence of birth - time also.
Now I will try to discuss the other case of love affair before
marriage. Now-a-days, ladies are not lacking behind in this field
also.
The young lady in white dress entered my room for a<.;trological
consultation. She was eager to know about her profession, whether
she should go to other place for doing business by giving up the
present service. She was not having her birth chart or her birth -
details. So I studied her problem on the horary basis taking K.P.
No. fromher.
During the discussion she requested if the KP. system can
help her in preparing the correct birth chart and give her birth details
as follows. Let us call her 'P'.
Date of birth - 22-05-1950. As per school register but it
might be ] 95 t. Exact year not known.
Time of birth - Not known. She even does not know if it is
morning, evening day or night.
Place of birth - l 9''-56 N, 7T'-38E
Ruling planets on the date of study
Date of study - 27-6-95
Time - 13.45 hrs (Noon)
Place- l 956N, 77()-38E
Ase - Tula- 0-594-Sukra - Mangal
Moon-Mithuna-35859-Mer-Mangal
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 65
Day-Tuesday - Mangat
(1) To fix the correct year ofbirth-Guru wil 1 help in this matter,
co-rulers of the gum, should be from thsiRP. guru position.
(A) At 0-15 hrs on 2215150 - Gum - Kumbha - 12-21 -33 -
Sani - Rahu - Sani
(b) At - 0-15 hrs on 22/5/1951 - Gum Meena - 13- 24 -
Gum - Sani - Rah
Gum and sani are nor reflected in RP. today Rahu is in Tula
so represent sukra.
Gum is slow moving planet So it transits in one star for many
months. So sub position ois to be considred and it will be deciding
factor.
In the year 1950 Rahu appeared as starlord and for the year
1951 Rahu is appeared as sublord of gum. So the 195 l will be
correct year of birth.
(2) Now let us confirm the month & date ofbirthon 22-5-
1950, it is monday and on 22-5-5 l it is Tuesda. 11 J moon is not
reflected in RP. where as Mangal is reflected in RP.
Approximate birth-time is also not known. So after saluting
the Maha Ganapathi, I decided to take it as 13-45 hrs. at which
time I started the calculation. So on 22~551, at 13-45 PM, the
position is a" follows.
(A) Sun - Vrishkha - 7-21-28 - Sukra -Ravi- Keh1
(B) Moon - Vrishakha - 23-5-28 - Mangal Budh - Chandra
(C) Gum - Meena - 13-18-25- Gum - Sani - Rahu
Today on 27-6-95, chandra,. sukra and Mer are in conjuction,
so they can be treated as ruling planet for this ourpose. So the co-
rulers of Sun and moon are from direct & indirect. So month and
date is correct.
(3) To fix t heap proximate birth time Let us decide the
sign, star and sub transmitted by the Moon. On 22-5-51, Moon is
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 67
significant of Dasa lord Ketu is 5~12,3, 11 and the sub significanc
11,3 So it is not fully supporting for education but it is mix
significance. Rahu is also a mixed significator. Antra lord Moon
is strong significator of 11,4~9 and as per sub it is supported by
9. so she passed.
She appeared for B .A Part I in year 1970 but failed and
left the education. She was running the period of Ketu - Sani.
Stellar significance ofsani is 11, 3 and as per sub 3,8,10,9. So
left the education as there was break in the education,
(2) She is in service in a private nursing home since 1990-
91. The period running was of Sukra-Ketu.
The Sukra is cuspal sublord of 2. It signifies 9,3,5,12,1
stellarwise. Tt shows ordinary financial position. But it is
powerfully supported by the sub-lord mangal, being powerful
significator of 11,6. So there will not be any wony due to financial
aspect Sukra is Dasa-lord after 20/7 /71.
(3) About Marriage: 7th cusp sub-lord is Sukra. It is not
significator of 2 or 7 or 11. Though it is connected with 11
through sub-lord. Mangal is equally strong significator of 6. The
married life will not be smooth. Sukra being Dasa lord is not
fully supporting for marriage. If we see the table, Rahu is the
only powe1ful significaotr of 7. supp01ted favourably by the sub
lord sani, being significator of 11. The moon is the only significator
of 2 and equally signifying 6 also. But it is not favourably
supported by its sub-lord. So marriage could not be celebrated.
On the contrary, 7th cusp sub lord being Sukra, there is
high desire for sex and liking for company of opposite sex. It is
supported by Rahu representative of sani, who is Karakataka
for secrecy and knows no rule. It is in the sub of mangal who
gave courage to her. So sukra-Sani-Mangal. "The Primwithi"
are combined together to take the nature in wrong path. Further
sukra is connected to 5,12 also. So the nature enjoyed every
thing since 71 after commencement of Sukra-dasa.
Krishnarnurti Padhdhati 69
MARRIAGE PUNARPHOO
AND K.P.
Our Gurnji have dealt with this phenomenon of Marriage
Punarphoo, and has stated that if there is any connection between
MOON and SATURN, this phenomenon is observed. In the
example given in the Book, the marriage of a girl was cancelled at
the last moment, because of this phenomenon, as the Bridegroom
had earlier promised to marry another girl. This is a very severe
effect.
Instances of negotiations break i ng off because the Boy does
not approve a girl, or changes his mind, were very common in the
good old days. In modem times, with girls married at a relatively
later age, and having their own views, cases where the Girl refuses
to marry a Boy, selected by the parents are also becoming frequent.
One has therefore to study a man's horoscope also to see whether,
Marriage punarphoo is seen in the horoscope. I have come across
a number of cases, where this phenomenon occurs in the Horoscope.
However, the results are not always uniform. The only thing certain
is THERE WILL BE SOME PROBLEM IN THE MARRIAGE
OF THE PERSON CONCERNED What exactly the problem is
likely to be has researched.
I am listing below, the details of the Horoscopes, whe~".! I
found this connection between MOON and SATURN, and the
results there of 1 hope that these case studies will help research
Students to make fi.uther studies, and try to determine the exact
problem in the Marriage of the person concerned.
CASES OF MARRIAGE PUNARPHOO
I. male Born 28~21-1962, 19.00 on, 72.50 E: at 15.27hrs.
SAT. in SAT MOON RAHU: Moon MERC MARS RAHU
: Mars in same sign as Sat in 7th.
Good Luck
Krishnammti Padhdhati 7t
LOVE AND MARRIAGE:
PROBLEM SOLVING BY HORARY ASTROLOGY
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 73
Planetary and Cuspal significations:
Rhava Deposited in
Planet - - - II_,. _ _ _ _ _
-------
I -- -
.sun 8 3 Mes ha I Venus Mercury
- --- +- -
IMoon
i - - - - - - ---
7
.
1 rn _Kumbha J Rahu
I
I
..
Moon
Mars 3.10.11 7 Simha Kethu Jupiter
. - -+-- - --1
Mercury 6 3 Mesha f Venus Jupiter
Jupiter 12 7 S'mha i Kethu R.ahu
--
l Mars
Venus 4,5,9 s Mithwia I
1. SlDl_______._,
.
'------- -- - _.........
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 75
It is said that if the sublord of the5th house cusp becomes a
significatorofthe2nd, 7th and 1 lthhouses,courtship culminating in
marriage is indicated. In the chart under study, the cusp of the5th
falls in the nakshatra of Mars and the sub of Jupiter. Both Jupiter
and Mars are stationed in the same sign Simha and the 7th house
and in rapt co~junction with sextile aspect from the lord ofthe 5th,
Venus. Jupiter is also the sublord of the 11th, and occupies the sub
of Rahu, a node posited in the 7th. Mars rules the 11th, the house of
passion and pen11anent tie. The st1iking feature here is that the star,
sub and sign lords ofthecusps of the 2nd, 5th, 7th and 11 houses
become significators in some way or the other.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 77
Saturn by occupation of Saturn's and Moon by association. Kethu
is also aspected by these planets (Jupiter, Mars and Saturn from
Simha). So, the significators are Venus, Mars, Kethu and the Moon,
Let us next, take the help of theruling planets at the moment
ofjudgement. They are:
Good Luck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 79
WHEN IS THE MARRIAGE -
THROUGH KP.
In the month of June 1985 one of my friends gave me a chart
of a girl of his relative to predict when is the marriage.
The chart and tables are as below :
Time of Birth .
7-26 AM.
Date of Birth 7-7-1957 (Sunday)
Place of Birth Ulvi.
Latitude 14-171 N
Longitude 75-6'E
l Planet -
Star lord Sub lord
Kern Venus Saturn
-
Venus Saturn Rahu
---- -- --
t
Sun Jupiter Jupiter
Moon Jupiter Mercury
Mars Saturn Jupiter
Rahu Jupiter Saturn
f---.---. ---
i Jupiter
-~
- -
Sl!n ---~---
Jupiter
Saturn Saturn l Jupiter
. Merctll)' Jupiter Mercwy
-
- -
Sun 13 11 43'
vm IJD-o Legna
15" 32'
Mars 16;) 36'
BIRTH CHART
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 81
Jupiter bhukthi unless it should be a significator of any of the houses
2or 7or 11. Jupiter is in 2nd house but Lord of 2nd house also
j upiter is aspecting 7th and 1 lthhouse by its 5th and 9th aspects
so jupiter is signifying all the three houses 2.,7 and! 1. hence we
can take jupiter bhukthi.
I selected ketu anthra. because ketu is the only planet over
venus star. venus is lord of 1 lthhouse and none in 11 th house.
I told my friend that the girl will be manied during the period
between 19-4-1986 and 12~6- J986.
One day he came and told happily that the maniage of the girl
is settled and the period of themaniage may be during May 1986.
What a wo underfill theory it is.
All Credit goes to K.P.'
Good Luck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
II 9" 3'
Moon llf I! II 3. VI 18"3' Vl 12" 3'
fl" 3 I'
Number : :215
Mi:rc. I I'' ::n. YI 8" 31'
(I to 249)
I 10" 27' R::ihu 26" 57'
Mars 7" S6' Date of Judgement
8-2-1981
K.i:1hu 26 57' 11 Vimshotari Dasa
Saturn Dasa Mercury
Sun 26"2 I
Bhakti, Rahu Antra
vu 10" 27'
Ven 11" 54'
x11s. r11 upto 23-6-1981
VIII 9'1 3'
Sat (R)
XI 12ar x 18"3" IX 11" 3' 15'' 54'
Jup. (R)
l 6 3 l'
Planetary Position :
Planets -~-- Star lor_d_ --1 Su~ lord -----i
Cusp Position :
-
1
1
i---
III ---+--M-ars 1Kethu -'.Saturn
-i --------I
l
~. j Venus I Moon IMerclll)' I
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 85
c) Jupiter-Occupies Virgo sign-female sign.
d) Kethu-Occupies Gapricon even sign, and aspected by
Jupiter (5th aspect as per Hindu Astrology).
1
Hence from above, we observe that 'Female sex indications'
are more. But before declaring a "Female sex child" let us counter
check Astrologically,. the sex of first two children of thecouple.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 87
From above we see that how umqu method of Stellar
Astrology has been given to by our Gumji, Maharshi K. S.
KRISHNA MURTIJ!. If properly applied the K.P yields accurate
results.
Sookshma From To
Jupiter 23-6-1981 9-7-198
Saturn 9-7-1981 28-7-198
Mercmy 28-7-1981 15-8-1981
15-8-1981 23-8-1981
Good Luck
The three important events which took place in the life of the
native are
Kri~hnamurti Padhdhati 89
URA NU
Rahu 4-22 3-2-41
v 13-58 Vl 13-46 VII 10-34 VIII 9-33
Mars 17-36
lX 9-44"
IV 11 -4:5 Saturn 22-32
BHAVACHART
(NIRAYANA) x l 1-45
Moon 27-08 Venus 11-52
m 9-44 Sun 13-02
Mere 14-IO
XI 13-58
II 9-33 I I0-34 Jup 27-36 NEFTVNE
Kethu 4-42 Xll 13-46 l 6-17
1r .Tupi~- - - -+---=------=----
Jupiter Venus
_ _,______,__ _ _ _ _ ,
1
Venus
Kethu Mercury I
-- - - -- _J-,,--.,,------1
r-------i----,----,-----
satum
Mercury Moon
f---------+---------j-------1
Sllll
Rahu Saturn
Kethu
Saturn Saturn
- ------~-----------
~
Kethu I Saturn
-----1
HI Sun ~ Venus
i' IV Rahu ~atum~
I -
v
-- L"
Analysis -
Marriage took place on 27-5-1977, Significators of houses
1~ 2, 5, 7 and II indicate the time of marriage. Jupiter, Mercury,
Saturn, Venus, Mars. Moon are significators for the marriage. Jupiter
is the dasa running from 2-9-1970 to 2-9-1986. Venus lord of 7
and 12 is the sub lord of Jupiter. Hence during the dasa of Jupiter
rnaniage may be expected. Selection of sigaificatorscan be done
by two methods.
l. By Ruling Planets.
2. Selection by sub.
The former method of selecting significators for any event is
sure method and the error will be minimum. This method should be
variably applied in regard to any future event. In the case of varifying
events that had taken place in life, the later method (Selection by
sub) is very much useful.
Jupiter: -Jupiter is in the sub of Venus lord of 7 and 12 in
I 0. Venus is stationed in the consetllation of Kethu in 12. Since
Jupiter has connection to 12 house, his dasa may be useful but aot
own bhukti. In some cases, it has been noticed that swabhukti, has
yielded the results. In all such cases, the dasa lord should be a
powerful significator of marriage giving house. It should not have
connection with 6 and 12 predominently. Beginners should be very
careful in such cases Experience and post-mortum only will place
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 91
the beginner in a strong footing. Though Jupiter dasa's useful for
marriage, his own bhukthi cannot be selected for the happy event.
Mercrny:-Venus is the sub lord of Mercury. The sub lord
position of Venus has been death with in the case of Jupiter. Here
we want to select the bhukti lord. This fact should always be borne
in mind. According Krishuarnurti Padhdhati, the bhukti lord should
lend a helpful hand so that dasa lord and bhukti lord in their joint
venture, bring-out the result. There is difference between selection
of swabhukthi and selection of a significator of that the swabhukti.
Our mind point here is to select a significator which is likely to
bringout the result. Mercury, enough ia the sub of Venus, should be
selected as a significator because ofits 7 and 1 connection. In
addition Mercury is favourable placed (73-26) towards Jupiter
the dasa lord. What I want to say here is this. Selection of
swabhukthi is different from selection of another significator for a
particular event. Sometimes the sub lord may be the same as it is so
in the case we one discussing.
Separation: -
Separation is to be predicted only after judging in 7 and 11
cusp of the horoscope. One the married life indicates separation,
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 93
one can expect such as unfortunate event in life. When a suitable
sub period leads support. Hence Venus bhukthi started fium 14-
7- 1971 . Venus found in the constellation of Kethu in 12 in the sign
Scorpio where the first house 'has fallen. Hence Kethu representing
Mars as lord of 1 and 6. Note also Venus is controlling the entire 6th
cusp as constellattion and sub lord. Venus is capable causiug
separation. Separation took place in 4 7/9. Moon anthra was
operating Moon is in the constellation of Mars in 8. The sub lord of
Moon is Jupiter in 12. Hence separation took place. A study of
various events is very important in relation to the particular cusp.
Cusp, according to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati, is the gale way to a
particular incident. If a cusp does not indicate the event significators
alone cannot bringout the matter. This is very important.
Is second marriage possible?
a) The sub lord of the seventh cusp should be either Mercury
or should be found in the constellation of a planet in a dual sign.
b) The sub lord should be a significators of 2 or 11 house.
Applying the above two conditions to the chart under
discussion, it is found that Moon, the sub lord of 7 cusp is in third
lord of9. The constellation of Moon, is ruled by Mars. Mars is in
Gemini, a dual sign. The first condition is satisfied.
The second condition is that it should signify 2 or 11. Moon is
lord of 9 in 3 Mars is in 8 as lord of 1 and 6. Hence the second
condition is not satisfied. So second marriage is not possible. Will
he keep somebody in his life?
This is answered by a study of second cusp. The sub lord is
Saturn lord of 3 and 4 in 9. Saturn is found in the constellation of
Mercury lord of 8 and 11. Hence this man will keep a woman as
pennanentpartner.
The various events that took place in the life of thenative
have been discussed in the light of principles out lined in the stellar
Astrology.
HGOODLUCK"
Jup 26-43-42
Querrent-Wife II 0-3-48
X21-J-48
Venus 13-20-12 Child Birth When? Ill 23-3-48
No.48
Judgem~nt Time
Mcrcwy(RI
29-31-31 9-4J p.m. or 4-2-75
IX23-l48- Place-of Judgement VJ 21-3-48
Sull-47-50 Kalakot
VII 0-3-48
Mars VI 3-32-36
16-46-27 Moon 8-37-8 v 25-3-48
VII 8-40-0 Rahu 13-19-50
Since the query was about the wife of the person, for the
sake of convenience, I drew up the wife's chart from the husband's
chart taking the 7th house of the husband's chart as first of wife's
and 8th of husband as 2nd ofthe wife etc. as follows.
Analysis
The late revered professor K.S. Krishnamurti has laid down
a golden rule on page 204 of the 6th Reader Horary Astrology that
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 95
is the Sub Lord of the5th cusp is deposited in the Constellation of
Planet which is signiftcator of 2,5 or 1 1,and which also is deposited
in a fruitful sign, the women is pregnant. If however, both the sub
lord the 5th cusp and the lord of the constellation in which the sub
lord of the 5th cusp is posited. occupy Barren signs then the women
is not in a family way.
In the present case the sub-lord of 5th cusp is Jupiter (denoting
house 6,9 lordship and 12 by occupationO and it is plan in the
constellation of Rahu (denoting house 2 by occupation, 1 and 10
though Sun constellation Lord and 3 and 12through Mercury-Lord
of the sign containing Rahu Jupiter is placed in teh Sub of Kethu
who denotes house No. 8 by occupation, house and 8 through Moon,
conjoined with it, house 7,8 and 1 through Saturn which is the
conste11ation lord and houses of 6~9 and 12 denoted by the Jupiter
in whose sign Kethu is placed. It will be noted that though Rahu
denotes house 2 by occupation, it does not occupy a Fruitful sign.
We further notice that both Jupiter and Rahu are placed in Barren
signs, Gemini and Virgo respectively. Therefore, as per rule
enunciated by the Great Astrologer Sri Krishnamurti, the clear
inference is that the women is not pregnant and the perosn concerned
was informed about it. He was quite happy to hear about it since he
did not want any more children. Later on 34th June, 197 8, he came
to me and confirmed that his wife was not in family way since she
had started having her mensus from the night before.
G-OodLuck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 97
1. Planetary Positions:-
~'
t-----~
v Sllll Kethu
.. - -
:~udha ~~uS--j
t--- .... - --
~
VII - -
Venus Jupiter _l Y'~llS__ _Mars 1
HI. Amllysis :-
In astrological parlance, romance, courtships, love affairs or
extramarital relationships come under the domain of the 5th house.
According to the Krishnamurti Padhdhati theory, the sub lord of the
5th cusp should be persued. and unlcs.~ he is a significator the houses
2nd, 7th and 1 lthwhich are concerned with marriage. the matter
will not, fiuctify.
In the horary chart the sub lord of the 5th cusp is Budha.
Budhais placed in the 11th bhava(fultilmentofdesires). Further,
Budha is in the constellation of Rahu placed in the 4th bhava, but
Rahu represents Sun by occupation. The Sun is the lord of 5th bhava
Krishnanmrti Padhdhati 99
Mars, Rahu, Jupiter and Sani. Kethu is in Mars
constellation. Budha is in Rahu constellation. Moon
is in Jupiter constellation and Sun is in Sani
constell ... ~ion. Hence Sun, Moon, Mars. Budha,
Jupiter, Rahu.. Sani and Kethu are the significatorsof
11th house.
To find out the strongest significators amongst them, the help
oflheRulingplanets at the moment of judgment is to be taken.
V. Ruling planets at the time of Judgement:
I . Lagna Lord Venus
2. Lagna const Lord Jupiter
3. Lagna sub Lord Sani
4. Moon rasi Lord Budha
5. Moon cost Lord Jupiter
6. Rasi sub Lord Budha
7. Day Lord Moon
Hence, the common and powerful significators for his marriage
are Jupiter, Budha, Venus, Moon and Sani. The marriage has to
take place in the conjoint period of the above significators in
vimshottari dasa.
As per the horaty chart, the boy will undergo the following
periods;
In this case the lady could not start mensus even upto to the
late age. According to KP the 8th house sub lord should be connected
to the 5th house without any affliction for attaining puberty and have
regular mensus. It is logic to say that 5th house controls child birth
and 8th house for sexual organs.
Querrent:
Good Luck
Rahu 9~14
Xll 9-25-40 XI 16-25-40 x 21-25-45 IX lt-25-40
Rahu 9-14
VI 9-25-40 v 166 25~40 v 16-25-40
In 21-25-40
Querrent:
Matter of querry No issue
Place DD
State Tamil
Country India
DasaBaL Sun 2 Yrs. 4 Months. 0 day
Ends on 19-9-1930
Pl ane t S D M Sec SL
~ Stl. SbL SsI.
Sun 2 5 29 41 Venus Sun Mercrny Venus
Moon 2 4 48 40 Venus Sun Saturn Rahu
Mars 12 9 13 14 Jupiter Saturn Venus Rahu
Mercury 2 22 49 13 Venus Moon Sun Rahu
Jupiter 1 3 52 58 Mars Kcthu Moon Rahu
Venus 1 23 48 51 Mars Venus Saturn Jupiter
Saturn (R)S 24 24 26 Mars Mercury Rahu Rahu
Rahu 2 17 24 13 Venus Moon Saturn Jupiter
Kethu 8 17 30 13 Mars Mercrny Mercury Moon
Uranus 12 13 29 45 Jupiter Saturn Rahu Saturn
Neptune 5 3 41 2 Sun Kcthu Moon [Moon
Fortuna 7 17 23 19 Venus Rahu Venus I Kethu
Good Luck
x 3-11
Ma.rs 23-39 K.P.No. 127
Kethu
v 5-11 6-39 a.m. l.S,T
1748
Sherghati 14-5-90
Ayan 23-37
Rahu 17-48 Venus dasa balance
JV3-l I Xl 5-H
Salmi{R)
16-3-18 days
1-39
Moon 15-48
II I-II 1240 XU 511
Ill 2-11
Analytical Judgement: -
At present, the querist is undergoing the directional influences
of Venus Dasa and the Bhukti (sub period) of the Moon. He will
remain under the directional influences of the Major period
(Mahadasa) of Venus till 28-12-91. He will bear the directional
influences of the Minor period (Bhukti) of theMoon till 28 12-77.
The house 2,5 & 11 are to be fully studied and duly considered
for one's being blessed with a child on the most highly infalliable and
fool-proof K.P. of our Most Rev Late Krishnamurtiji.
The 2nd house ( 16u-3 ofAquarius. Saturn, Rahu, Venus):-
The Moon, Jupiter and Rahn have occupied it. Saturn is its lord. Its
Krishnamurti Padhdhati HE
signi ficators arc Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Vcnus, Saturn, Rahu and
Kelhu. ...
'l'he 5th house ( t &- I of 'l 'aurus, Venus, Moon, Mercury):-
No planet has occupied it. Venus is its lord. Its Significators are the
Moon,Mercmy, Venus andKethu.
1bc 11 th house ( 18 l 'of Scorpio, Mars, Mercury, Mcrcury):-
11
-
,VI , .(111)32'ofGemini) .
I I - ..
Mcrcmy
j -
-
I (731~ofGaneer) --- IMoon Saturn . Keth11
'\' (l6' J'ofl.eo)
1
'Sun Ven~~-- I Sun:.__ I
IX (22';46' Virgo} I Mercuiv . Moon I Sun _j
~-X--l._I (2:!()S4' orL1bra) '. Venus fJ~1pi!~~ _ ' Sa_!wy --~
I ~; (18()t ~fScropio l. - ,Mars - -~ M~ry _ ' Mercury J
t~f.l!._1_032' of s~~.;l. I Jupi~~~.. _J Kethu Mercury J
The Ste11ar position ofthe plianets are as foll()WS:
_!.cDP., of Planets ; Sign Lords Star Lords t Sub Lords J
Su.n(l51124' ofTaur~~) .~ Venus Moon Jupiter :
Planet details
r-
l'
Sanrn
--
90-
1-
6-
1-
09
23
21
The lady is pregnant for the first time So, 5th cusp is to be
discussed, The 5th cusp lord is Saturn and Star lord Mars and Sub
lord Sun.
Sub lord of the 5th cusp is Sun, the owner of I 1th. So, the
lady is pregnant, that means pregnancy is confirmed.
Now, for the sex of thechild, we will see the cusp lord. star
lord and Sub lord of the 5th cusp. Saturn is in the Sub of Jupiter,
Mars in Saturn and Sun in Rahu. Rahu is in the sign of Saturn. So,
Jupiter will decide the sex of child i.e .male Sex. Again the planet
Saturn is in the star of Sun, Mars in Jupiter Star and Sun in Sun Star,
all male planets, hence the sex of child is confinned as male child.
Now for the time the significators of thehouses 2,5) and 11
will give the clue. The significatms are Mars, Saturn, Rahu, Sun. As
per calculation of medical science, the delivery should take place on
9-10-90 and at that time, the sub-sub period of Mercury will be
running. But the planet Mercury is not related to the houses taken
for child birth. Before, Mercury the sub-sub period of Saturn will
be running and it will run upto 20-8-90. Saturn is strong significator
ofllthand5thfeebly.
So, I predicted that a male child will be born in the sub-sub
period of Saturn i.e. before maturity time. And the prediction came
correct. A male child was born on 9110-8-90.
Good Luck
SElt. 3-20
Vlll l I -24-4
v 14-43-9 V! 14-39-9 Mar 21-14
VIII 10-43-9
Moon 15-2S
rx to-43-9
JV 12-43-9 Rchu 22-00
Jup. 24-50
'N irayna Bha'lla
Chart
Ket 22-00
Ill 10-43-9
- Ven 12-51
x 12-43-9
Mar I0-25
II 10~43 -9 ASC 11-24-4 Xll 14-43-9 Sun S-20
XI 14-43M9
CUSPAL POSITION:
Analysis :-
According to traditional systems for the prospect of child birth
the following important rules are given:
( 1) Kutumbasthanathipathy and Puthrmthanathipathy (lord of 2 and
5) should occupy Kendras or Kanas or
PLANETARY POSITION :-
Planet Starlord Sublord
Sun Moon Saturn
Moon Moon Rahu
Mars Venus Saturn
Mercury Sun Venus
Jup(R) Mars Saturn
Venus Jup Moon
Sat(R) Mercury Sun
Rahu Jup Venus
Kethu Venus Kethu
Good Luck
Date: 1-4-50
Jup. 4"09' Da.j : Satur Day PL. 26u 4T(R)
Venus 1"45' Time: 05-20 Hrs. !ST VI 2sc1 47'
Place: wE 15' Long.
131'N04' Latitude
LM.T: 05-11 Hrs Fort 5u 55'
Sidereal Time: 17 Hrs. 46 Mts. 5 Sec Saturn (R)
Xll 28" 4T
Siar. Pubba(l l)3rd Pada 21c4r
Ayanamsa K.P. 23"04 Moon 21,,47'
v111n46'
XI 29'.47' Vil 6 11 47'
Ma 5n 36'R
lX 61' 47' Ket. J4u 5
X 3u 47'
jNep.23u 04'(R)
Querrent:
..
Matter of querry All Child died
Place Moradabad
State ~ - U ttar Pradesh
Country India
DasaBal. : Mars 4 Yrs. 11 Months. 16 days
Ends on 23-11-1934
Good Luck
KrishnarnurtiPadhdhati 121
ASTRO - DIAGNOSIS OF
PREGNANCY.
Having deep interest in Astrology, I have studied Nirayana
(Hindu), Sayana (western) and Krishnamurti Padhdhati. After my
Practical exposure to prediction based on KP. I used to talk about
perfectness of predictions achieved by Nakshatra method (KP) in
my house as well as with friends too. And as a result of it; no. of
1
times it has lead me to satisfy someone s curiosity for typical questions
to verify correctness of this method by practical examples.
One fiiday (holiday for me) (on 26-11-82); my wife eagerly
told me to get answer of one important question astrologically. She
told me that two weeks has already passed over her due date of
mensuration for November, '82 (lastM.C. date 7-10-82. And then
she was eager to know-whether she was pregnant or not? She
mentioned No, 51 for it (out of 249 ). I analysed this question
astrologically using principles of KP on 26-11-1982: 7-00 p.m. at
Surat. The details of the Horary chart is given below.
Moon R:ihu
12n 13' 7'; XI Xl1 12"14'48"
9 11 22' 6" L3~' 22.' I&" ASC
x 5~ 22' 6" I 14" 26 '40"
Horary Chart
IX 4 34' 6" (Nirayana) JI 8" 22. ()"'
26-11-1982 .
7.00 p.m. {Surat)
21N 12' 72E 50'
vm Friday Jll 4" 43' 6"
8 22' 6"
K.P. Ayanamsa
Jlk 25r' 54.' 53"
J O" 14' 46"
s 10" v
w
vn 26' 4D" u 11" 27' 49"
20' 11"
9" 22 6'"
JV Y22' 6''
Kethu V ! I J" 22' 18'. Saturn
12~ 14" 48'" VI 14" 17' 53" 11
6 12' 23"
N~ 2" 26'8'. v 16'' 3. 45"
Moon 4-29
Number Rah1.12002
Time: 10-52 p.m. (J.s.n VII 28-40
Date&Day: 13-12-1980
1 22 -40 Place: Calcutta
Keth1120 02 DASA BALANCE
XI 29-IO
Ncp 28-52 Vll 1-IO
Xl24-10 S1.1n 27-SJ IX 5 10
9
Jup. l4-12
Mars2242 Mere 17-51
Ura J-54 Sat. 15-07
Ven. 0-51
I
Planets Star Lord ''Sub Lord
1--
I Moon -
Sm
II Jupiter Mars .
i- - --
m --
Kethu Mars
---
- - . --I
lV Sw Saturn
- -- ---- ~-
v
......
I-
Mars
-
Saturn
I VI Jupiter Mercury
Mercury Moon
Sub
----=l
~
--
x Saturn
------ . -
Saturn
XI Mero.ny ..,
Saturn
\---
L XII Venus M
' . ---
Now, the question is: Can the medical science exactly out
when the actual birth will take place and what will be the sex of the
expected baby? The answer is "No"
A mother develops labour pain hut this does not signjfy that
child birth is immediately assured. Again as a second step, the same
mother is admitted into a maternity ward. Here also in most cases
the birth is delayed and the anxious mother is even sent back home
with instructions, to report back after a week or ten days. Finally
the anxious mother returns to the hospital at the scheduled time.
Alas l the birth takes place either in the natural way or resorting to
major or minor surgical operation medically termed as casesarean.
Ase.
32n }g lll 2.3 1j 3g ! l l:3j1 38' 17-46-40
Now let us analyse the chart. The Moon reflects the mind of
the person querying. It is in the 8th house. Moon is lord of 1I and is
posited in the constellation of Kethu in 5, and in the Sub of Jupiter in
11. Jupiter is retrograde and is the lord of 4 and 7. Moon thus
signifies houses 8,5) 1,7 and 4.1 told him boldly without the slightest
hesitation that, the gentleman's anxiety pertains to child birth and he
is tenibly worried about his wife's safe delivery. The moment I uttered
the words ' Child Birth1 he was astonished. I said to him that there is
nothing extraordinary about what I told him and that the Krishnamurti
Padhdhati system never fails. Now Moon is in the 8th house and is
in the sub of retrograde, Jupiter. Retrogression means rezardation
or blocking. I, therefore, asserted that the subject was passing
through considerable hardships due to delay in delivery and thus
making everyone anxious. My friend in fact became confused He
said that my statement wa~ fully correct. He admitted that his wife
was earlier taken to the maternity clinic on development of severe
pain but subsequently returned home causing much anxiety to
everybody at home,
IX 4- 21
II 7-21
Sat. 20-32
Place : BOMBAY
BALANCE OF VENUS
VII] 7- 21 DASA Y. M. D. III 4- 21
13 5 9 Mer. 29-46
(R)
Moon Ira. 12-14
Ncp. 18-10 Ven. 12-lO
17-42-20 Sun 4-16
VI 11-21 Rahu 11-21
VII v 8-21 IV 4- 21
12-33-20 Mars 1-IB
Planetary Position:
Planets Sign lord sub lord Starlord 1
Since lord of vis Venus and Venus conjoined with Rahu and
Mars which are masculine planets, I have predicted as a male child.
The delivery would be during Venus and Rahu's transit in Jupiter
star (deposited in XI and Sub lord of XT) Luminaries in each others
sub on 21-6-'77.
Result: She delivered a son on 21 -6-77 at 22-45 hours as
predicted; Krishnamurti System only can give such a correct and
never failing judgement and no other system so far has proved to be
so much accurate.
Good Luck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 13 7
PREMATURE DELIVERY
" me the above question
One of my relatives as to the date asked
with the No. l 79on 15.9.75 at about 20.30 hours. l could, take it
up for analysis on 16.9.75 at 5.15 p.m. only.
As per K.P., for child birth, houses 2, 5 and 11 are to be
judged. As the querent is a male, houses 2, 5 and 11 reckoned from
the 7th which describes his wife are to be considered also.
Good Luck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati TA I
RULLING PLANETS AND
CHILD BIRTH
~~-~~=--tt-- _----~:1~~---+-~_:n_W:
__ . ___ ____. -~-.:-_;-n-_ -_-_
L_XI_ -~I__M_~_r5lll):'._ .. Moon Mercw-y _
~ XII I
Venus Rahu Venus
JUDGEMENT:
Before giving the prediction, I checked to see if Moon and I
or Lagna sub-lord indicates the nature of query.
Moonisin V
Moon is in Kethu star.
Kelhu is in VIII
Moon is lord of IX
So Moon is not at all connected to II or VII and XI which
are the Bhavas considered for Marriage. But Moon strongly
signifies V (House of pleasure) and VIII (Sexual act). To confirm,
T looked at the Lagna sub-lord, which happened to be Moon
. I
agam.
I simply wrote the following judgment on a piece of paper
and handed over the paper to the lady when she came again to
see me,
"Madam! You are not interested in getting married, but you
are more inclined towards pleasure and sexual companionship!"
I was very curious to see her reaction after reading the note.
The lady after reading the note remained silent for few moments,
obviously deeply engrossed in her inner thoughts. She took a deep
For all the questions as to child birth, the clear cut and accurate
answer is available, in KP. a ready reckoner.
I) Will one have a child?
1t the sub lord of 5th cusp is in the constellation of a planet
signifying 5, 2, and 1 1th houses the child bi1th is promised.
2) If the sub lord of lhe5th cusp is in the constellation of a
planet signifying 4th house and has no connection in any manner to
aspect conjoining to 5th house the birth is not promised. This should
be observed in the male chart and female chart.
Whether child to be born is male or female?
If the constellation lord in which sublord of the 5th cusp
deposited is in the star of female planet (Venus. Moon, Rahu) and is
in the sub of female planet the child will definitely be female and if
the same lord Is in the star of male planet and it is in the sub of male
planet the child will be a male one. Though the 5th sub's constellation
lord is in the star of female planet or male planet. If the constellation
lord is in the sub of female planet and conjoined or aspected with
Venus or Moon the chi Id wilfbe female one and if the same lord is in
KrishnarnurtiPadhdhati 147
the sub of male planet and conjoined or aspected with Sun or Mars
the child will be a male one. Mainly we must consider the sub position
of constellation lord and which planets are proxmity conjoined and
aspected with the constellation lord.
The birth of twin-when?
1) The sub lord of the 5th cusp must be depostied in the
constellation which is posited in the dual sign (Mithunam, Meenam)
and also Dhanusu first half.
2) The constellation lord also should be in the star of a planet
which is in the dual sign.
3) The sign of the5th cusp also must be in the dual sign or in
the star of a planet which is in the dual sign or owner of dual sign.
As it is a rare occurence all those conditions should
simultaneously be satisfied. Then only the birth of twin takes place.
Here I intend to explain when the child will be born and what sex it
will be with reference to the chart that have been erected and given
prediction by me and I wish to say that it has come true exactly
what I have predicted.
Good.Luck
'.v1i
l
Venus I
I Jupiter -- - -Vent.s. 1, Jupiter
Rahu . Rahu
Saturn . Mere~ I Mars
Krishnamurti Padhdhati l5 I
Ruling Planets:
Mars Day lord ""
Moon Moon in K ark a rasi
Sahnn Moon in Pushya nakshatra.
Jupiter Sub-lorn of Moon
Jupiter Dhanu 1agna.
Venus Lagna in P. Ashada.
Jupiter Lagna sub-lord.
The common planets between significators and ruling planets
are Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Moon. These planets are taken
as fruitfu1 significators. Please note that an these fruitfu1 significators
are in favourable sub. Among the fruitful significators, Jupiter is the
strongest being the sub-lord oflagna and also Moon, Jupiter is also
in the sub of Jupiter himself.
I therefore checked the days on which Moon would transit
Jupiterrasi (Dhanu or Meena).
3-1-1992: Friday, Dhanur rasi. Jyesta nakshatra (Mercury).
Mercmy not being one of the fmitful significator, delivery on this day
was not predicted.
4-1-1992: Saturday. Dhanurrasi. Moolanakshatra(Kethu).
Kethu not being one of the fruitful significator, delivery on this day
was not predicted.
5-1-1992: Sunday. Dhanurasi. P. Ashadhanakshatra (Venus).
Sun not being one ofthefruitfulsignificator, the delivery on this day
was not predicted
Il-l-l 992: Saturday. Meena rasi, P. Bhadrapadanakshatra
(Jupiter). Day lord, Rasi lord and N akshatra lord are all very strong
fruitful significator and as such J predicted BIRTH OF A MALE
CHILD ON 11-2-1992.
At about 1 -00 pm. on 1l -1-1992, the happy father gave me
the good news that Boy was born in the morning of the same day!
1 experience failures every time when
Good Luck
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
CHILD OF DESIRED SEX
(On Natal Chart Basis)
No doubt. I have discovered a theory taking the help of several
books and which I am here writing as I am getting many letters from
the readers and also astrologers to give any crystal theory on sex
prediction through natal chart.
I am giving here a study chart of a lady having one daughter
and three sons. The rest are the first sons issue is daughter and the
rest are sons. When we apply the same principle here we shall get
that the 5th cusp is having Saturn, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star
lord and sub lord and the three are in the sub of Jupiter, Jupiter and
Venus in respective order. Jupiter is male planet whereas venus is
female. In this case Jupiter is near the Sun whereas Venus in own
sign so strong to give female child.
Now regarding the second issue, the 7th cusp is taken having
jupiter, Saturn and venus as sign-lord, star lord and sub lord. These
three planets are deposited in the respective sub of Saturn, Jupiter,
Jupiter, Saturn being a natural planet, sex will be detennind by Jupiter
giving male child.
Now coming to the third issue. It wilI be considered by taking
9th cusp having Venus, Sun and Venus as sign lord, star lord and
sub lord respectively. These planets are deposited in the sub of Jupiter,
Venus, and Jupiter, During the first issue there was the same
combination where we have neglected the planet Jupiter being near
the Sun and accepted Venus due to depositor in its own sign and
predicted female sex So in the same principle, the third issue will be
of female sex which is 100/o wrong as she is having male chi 1din
third issue I lere we have seen that the result or the theory is applicable
to the l st and the second issue. but it is not applicable to the third
issue. This clearly gives indication that the same theory is only
applicable to the Horary cases and not in the natal charts So, if, we
want to derive any specefic fonnula based on natal chart we have to
think further and it is the result of furtherthinking which I am giving
here.
Cusp detail
Cusp Star Lord Sub Lord
I Sun Venus
II Rahu Rahu
III Saturn Venus
N Ke tu Satwn
v Moon Mars
VI Rahu Saturn
VII Saturn Venus
VIII Ke tu J~ter
IX Sllll Venus
x Rahu Jupiter
XI Saturn Moon
XII Ketu Mercury
So, here our duty is to select only those stars which are related
to the planets giving or having the power of child birth for any specific
chart and neglect the rest. The sexual relation established on any
star day selected to give male issue will give the birth of male child
without any confusion.
So, Untill now we have collected that the first thing is to find
the significators and then the stars related with the significators, but
these star should also operate in the major, Bhukti and anthra period
of having power to give birth.
Xii
10-43-40 m
Sa1 4-55 II 12-43-40
Jupiter
20-6-40 18-43-40
6-28
Ven 26-31 K.P_ No. 15 13114-Z-99
X! 5-43-40 5.07 a.m. J.S.T. lV7-43AO
Mer 8-43 Gay~. Ayan. 23n45 Rahu 28-19
Sun l-04 Bat11nce dasa of Sun at
Moon 2-49 the time of Judgement
x 7-43-40 was 3 years l month!!- v 5-43-40
Keiu 28-19 and l4 days only.
vm \11 I 0-43-40
IX 12-43-40 18-4.3-40 VII 20-6-40
Mars 12-15
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
For, fixing the date of delivery I started to watch the position
of planets in Panchang. On 14thMarch'99, it was Sunday, and Sun
was transitting through the sign Kmnbha of Saturn and through the
star of Jupiter and sub of Sun and moon is transitting through Makar
rasi in the star of moon. Moon will cross the sub period of Rahu in
Sravana star at 11 ;04 a.m, and there after the Jupiter sub period will
end at 2.] 8 P.M. The most suitable zone for safe delivery is from
11.04 A.M. to 2.18 P.M. I.S.T. Here, the transit of moon is
considered only because moon rules the 10th month, the time of
delivery.
Longitudes of Longitudes of
Planets Planets
Stm 4s}738' Saturn 95 1227'
Moon 65 101 o~ Rahu 3s1341'
Mars 25 1435 1 Kethu 9s]341'
Mercury s~13ss' Uranus 4sgo14
Jupiter 1os1358' Neptune 6s175r
Venus 6$3047'
I . J
1 Cusp Sub Lords Cusp Sub Lords
--
lagna Venus VII Mercury
ll Moon
~ t -
VIII Venus --
Ill Saturn ~
[){ Saturn
'
x
~~
.
IV
- Moon
- -~ . -
~
v Venw:
- - - -
XI
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MY EXPERIMENTS ABOUT
MARRIAGE
Love Affair and Denial of Marriage through
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
XI IV
Chart No. I
I 5-50-0 15-500
Horary ND, 19
Marriagr when?
By
x DunJ P.-asanna
v
15-50-0 15-50-0
13-6-87 7-15 A.M.
VIH24-SO-O Kethu
lX 19-.50-0 Saturn 23-SO-O
VII
26-40-0 14-14-0
Moon Fortuna VI 20-SO-O
l !i-2-0 IJ-36
Planetary Position
....-~~~~~~~~--~~~~--
!_PJan_e!__j__~t_a_r_ --+--Sub
! Vro~ S~l VenIB
Cuspal Position
Jupiter VI
Hor.ary No. 2JJ
27-17-0 :5-14-0
Is there Setond
I 6-40-0
Ms.rriage?
Mercury By
VIJ
10-34-0 Mr.'X'
6-400
Sun 5-48-0 20-1-87 S-30 A.M.
XII :i-14-0
Sal 23-48 Moon 0-33-0
IX 16-400
XI Venus
fonuna
vm 13-40~0
9-14-C 18-59-0 Kethu
1-25-D
x 14-14-0 21-54-0
Planetary Position
----"T'""- -
~~
an et Star Sub
. -
Jupiter Jupiter Venus
Mars Mercury Stm
Good Luck
She was asked to give any No between 1 & 249. She spoke
out No. 17The horary chart was erected on 28th Apri1;89 at 17
hrs. 0 mts. at Bombay, using Advance ephemeries forthe year 1981
to 1990by Shri K.S.K.
The position of thecusps and the planets so worked out was
asunder.
Cusp S.D.M. Lord of Star-sub
01. 00-24-00 Venus - Mercury
02. 01-21-50 Moon- Venus
03. 02-16-50 Rahu - Merc_!!!Y_
Mars
l----+----
02-05-58 Mars Moon
4
01-04-53 Sun-Sannn
o------..-.----+-----
01-15-24 Moon-Ju iter
00-20-40 .. ---1JJP-iterRah1J.
"""""""'-'----.L..__-=-08.:- - Ven . - er
Rahu 10-07-58 Rahu-Rahu
Kethu 04-07-58 Kethu-Jupiter
Balance Moon dasa 9y _. 1 lm- 25 days.
Ruling Planets:-
Lagna lord - Mercury (Kanya)
Star Lord -Moon
Moon sign lord -Saturn
Day lord -Venus (Friday)
Does Moon support the query? Moon is a lord of 4th cusp
deposited in its own star and sub and thus Moon does not indicate
the query, instead Moon is Star and sub lord of 6th cusp - 12th to
7th cusp and thus Moon is projecting the result of 6th cusp negating
the fruits of 7th cusp maniage.
However let us work out the significators of houses 2nd, 7th,
and 11 th if there is any ray of hope.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 1 83
Therefore one is to note the lord of theconstellation in which
the bride or bridegroom is born; also note the Bhava occupied, by
the lord of the contellation.
Then only pass the judgement.
If one follows KP. he will be able to say whether marriage
will take place between A and B or not and how the married life will
be.
Good Luck.
Now the last step what is to be done is to see the sub lords of
planets referring sign lord, star lord and the sublord of therequired
cusp which indicates the ascendant of thechild to be born.
Now, here we shall get several types of combination giving
the sex of child e.g.
(a) When the sublords of all the three planets are of male
nature the sex of thechild will be male without any fail.
(b) When the sub lord of all the three planets are of female
type. Then child will be of female sex.
(c) There may be chance that out of three, two are either
male or female and the rest is Saturn then leave Saturn because it is
neutral and predict accordingly.
x 556-40 I II &-56-40
K.P. Horary number 36 Jup. 16-36
Time of Judgement Ketu 9-42
6-12 a.m. I.S.T.
Shergati : 14-10-9-0
Rahu 9-42 KP. Ayan: 23~ 37 Moon 2-45
IX
IV 5-56-40
&-56-40
ll 29-27 Moon 17 51
Unrnus 8-21 Nep 214
RASI Vll 24 30
Mars 18-58
x 2-27
Mer. 9 12 Rahu 13-27 rx 2-21
Xl [25-27 Ven.1944 Sun 17-55
XI 29-27
I will now analyse the same chart as per KP. rules. You can
see how wonderfully it reveals the message of thestars even for an
average mind in the light of Prof. K.S.K.'s rules.
Readers of this esteemed magazine are well conversant with
the houses of progeny in K.P. and hence I think t need not explain
the rationale behind the chosen houses. First we will go through the
cuspal points.
The 2nd cusp falls in the sign of Saturn, Star of Jupiter and
sub of Moon. Sign-lord is in rapt conjunction with 8th cusp and
VIII 0-20-29 x
Vl-0-18-40 VIJ 0-24-56 Ra I 7-46-35 28-43-4
IX 29-31-4
~<iHR)156-26
Xl 29-4-4
v 29-4-4
Time of Marriage
When the lady came for consultation she was mnning the sub
period of Venus in the DAsa ofKethu. Kethu is a fiuitfulsignificator
of the 7th house. It could give her marriage. Venus could not give
her marriage in his sub period as he was in the star of Jupiter, a
significator of the 6th house. Sun was found in the star of Kethu and
in the sub of Moon, Lord of the- 1 lthhouse. At the time of giving
prediction Transit kethu was in Aries, the 7th house.
1. For the birth of a child the 5th cusp sub-lord should have
connection with 2nd or 11 th house.
2. The connection of the 5th cusp sub-lord to 4th, or 8th and 12th
house will indicale that birth of child wil l be denied.
IX 12~ 1 24'
23'
xrr
7~46' 19' II 73"6'15'
Sat. (R) l 10n53' 12" Moon
Kc tu
23~ 16' 55"
11
27 33' 55'" su3sss"
x
0 11 31' 16"
Jup~ (R) Ill
105'55" JU29'2 \"
NATAL CHART
OF lV0"3T10
IX Mr.A Mars
329'21"
- JJU2l'55"
Me: re
1408'55"
Vlll v
7u36'15"
vn 131124 '23"'
1053 '12 .. Vl
Sun
7~46' 19 1 ' Olill2'55"
v 1125'36"
VIII VII Mars
VI 7~1'00"
1329'21" 16~58'46"
149'53" Kethu
10~24 '00"
With the above data I decided that the querrent should get
manied within the above period subject of course to the transit
agreeing, I did not proceed further into finding out the Sookshma
period and also the transit working to arrive at the near about date
of theoccurance of theevent, since 1 wanted to watch and see
whether may decision to take the Venus Bukthi and Anthara for
this event will materialize since Venus is being replaced by Kethu
in the RP. and Kethu is also a significator for Uth, and his Bukthi
will also operate. I therefore informed through a letter to the
querrent the above decision that she will be married before the
end off 7-5-1994. As regards direction of Partner, taking into
account Moon, the 7th Cusp Sub Lord, I indicated that he will be
from NORTH WEST side.
RAHU
Will act as Venus since Venus aspects Rahu by a Sextile
.aspect. Will act as Mars being posited in its Sign, Scorpio and
also will act as Saturn since he is in the star of Saturn. Venus,
as seen above is significator for all the 3 houses viz .. , 2, 7 and
11. Mars, is the Mangalya Karaka and is also significator for
2nd and 7th. Saturn is a significator for 2nd. Therefore transit
of Jupiter and the Ascendant in Rahu Star when the event
occurred is fully justified.
KElHU
Aspected only by Moon, who signifies both 11 and 7. Will
represent Venus on account of his occupying his Sign, Taurus and
as seen above Venus fully signifies all the required houses for this
event. He is again in the Star of Moon, explained above. Therefore
the Dasa Lord Sun transiting in the star of Kethu on the date of
maniage is quite correct.
Since KP. is built on the pillar of SUB invented by our GREA1
GURUJI, let us see the transit of Planets via the Sub.
Sun = in the Sub of Saturn, a significator forthe event and
also RP.
Moon = in the Sub of Satunn, as above.
Jupt .=:::; m the Sub of Venus, a strong significator for the
event, Karaka, and also a strong RP.
Good Luck
211
FIRST CHILD WHEN?
(RETROORADE5IHSUBIDRD&RESUL1)
II 1~/30'
VJ V291f/39' Moon 29Q/02' Sun 3129'
24/29' Rahu 12~153 1116/06' Mere 20122'
IV4"/42" Mars 1139" Jup 2SN29'
SIGNIFICATORS
Hou Owner Planet .. Occu Planetin
se Owner's Pant Occupant1s
Star Star
--~
~ 2.Merc xxx
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3. Jupi Moon
'
1
4. Mars Mars/
5 Mars
l~ Mars
Jupi/Sat(R)
/Jupi/ l
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Satum(R) xxx xxx.
. - . - .
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All the 9 planets occur as significators if we also include the 2
Nodes to represent the relevant planets: RAHU may represent
SATURN & MARSA by aspect and sign respectively; KETU may
PROGENYANDROMANCE 214
represent JUPITER & VENUS by aspect and sign respectively.
There always remains the likely risk, as repeatedly observed, in
eliminating significators merely because they are taken to be
represented by Node. There therefore need not be any haste to
reduce their number.
RULING PLANETS
Day Monday
Moon 6 - 29102'
Lagna 5=27fJ/5T
Parti Day Sign I
Star Sub
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Cuspal Positions :-
Ruling Planets : -
Good Luck
If the 5th cusp sub lord or its star lord is in the Sun Hora the
sex of thechild is male. If the 5th cusp sublord or its star lord is in
the Moon Hora, then the sex ofthechild is Female.
Though we know how to find out Moon Hora and Sun Hora,
for the benefit of the learners I explained the same. In old signs the
first l 5 is mled the same way in even signs the first 15 is called
Moon Hora and the next 15 is called Sun Hora.
Natal Chart
291S7
Sun 15-35 3.36A.M.
IX 1-21
II 014
Ven26-57
Sat 1849
Moon 24-07 X4-06
xn 4-34 XI 548
Mer 20-56 Jup 8-23
Rahu 2-04 (R)
[1-09
Eg.l
Mars (R)
Ven 2-03
26-59
V5-49
XII 549 Natal Chart
3-9-56
Moon 1-02
XI 549 7.32 PM.
VI S-49
Sun 17-53
I
Jup 18-42
IX 10-00
I
x 7-52 Rahu 9-53 Vlll 10-11 vu 8-04
Mt:ii.:ury
Sal 3-59 1441
Sat 20-24
XllR-t3
v 8-01
Eg.3.
Ntal Chart
21-4""65
XI 8-01 4.JOA.M.
VI 8-13
Mars 15-28
Ket 10-39
VII 6-59 IX 9.09 x 8-59 XI 6-53
Sat 6-55
Jup 26-01
Sun 22-02 Ven 24- t 5- ll 6-59
Mere l032
III 8-59 Moon 1137
rv 6-53 Rahu 10-39
III 909
IV 18-03
Ket 8-59 v 19-3.3 VJ 18-35 Vil 16 13
Sm 7-59
Sun 23-34
I 16-L3
XII 18-35 Mars 7-33
Mer(R) ll-29 XI r9.33
Vcn.2-56 Rahu 8-59
Moon 0-59 x 18-03
Vth cusp sublord Rahu. Rahu in Moon star. Moon falls in the
Sun Hora. So the sex of thechild is Male.
Eg. 5
Vth cusp sublord is Rahu. No planet in Rahu stars. Rahu
occupies Moon Hora. Hence the sex of thechild is Female.
It should be noted in this connection that the birth time must
be accurate otherwise the result will be misleading.
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Cuspal Position
CUSP. STAR SUB
01 J~pt Mars
02 Mere Jupt
03 -
Ven Mere
04 Mars Jupt
05 Jupt Moon
06 -- Kethu Ven
I 07 Sun Jupt
08 Mars Jupt
I 09 Ju__Qt Mere
I
I 10 Mere Jpt
11 Sun Rahu
12
---
Mars Ven
the planets in the stars of the lord~ of 25 and 11th and the occupants
of 2,5., 11 and planets occupants in their stars, and finally planets
aspecting the above houses to be considered. In this chart under
judgement. The lordship of Lagna and Ilnd Bhava fallen in one sign.
Hence moon the Lord of Lagna is also lord ofllnd and occupant in
Vth Bhava. Lord of Vth mars in Vllth house aspecting Lagna and
llnd Bhava and Mars is in moon star in Vth and Moon is in Mars
sign. (Parivartana) and Jupiter the PUTRAKARAKA is m;pecting
Venus Lord ofXIth. This combination appears to be some what
favourable. But stellerwise all the planets are connected with the
negating houses 1.4,10~whicharenegetion to2,5,11 th houses, which
are Prime houses for blessed with children.
In the Horoscope of male, we have to consider the Xlth cusp
sub lord for Male and Vth cusp sub lord for the partner (Wife) to
know the chances of getting children. If in the chart of the male, the
XIth cusp sub lord promised child birth at the same time if the sub
lord of Vth cusp is not promising child birth means the Husband will
v: 25-44-0 VIII
SAT: 9-26-0 VI; 23-JS VIII: 18-31-0
KETHU 7-5& 18-33-20
Ven 27-JJ
Mer 19-20 Lagna XJI Rahu: 7-58
II 18-31-0 [: 18-33-20 23-35 Mars: 11-38
XI: 25-44-0
XI 26 16.0 Ase
Sat9-26 XII I 2-40-0
Ket 7-58-0 0-41-0 lJ 27-22-0
VEN 27-58
Vi Rah 7-58-0
Vlll 27-22-0
0-40-0 Mars I 1-40-0
MER 19-37
VIT 2-40-0 v 26-16-0
II 3-5 3-30
Xll. 1-53-30 Ascendent m 28-:53-30
7-46-40
XI 24-11-00 Rahu
Moon 1-8-9
]7-41~10 IV 24-53-30
No.28
4-12-1981 7-30 p.m. IST
x 25-53-30 SURAT
Venus v 25-53-30
3-22-50
Ket 1-8-9
IX 28-53-30 Ura 7-33-15 Mars
Vl!I 3-53-30 Vll 7-46-40 Jupiter
0-56-30
Mercury 7-57-24
Neptune I S-29-24 Saturn
0-34-50
VT 1-.5330
Sun l S-50-35 25-5830
Sun
21-37-16
Mercury
5-33-52
II 3-20-19 No. 187
6-81983 B-10 p.m.
Surat
21"N ll' 72E 50' vm
3-20-19
Ill 02"14'
Ven 17 11 54' Sun 311 15' II 06 14' Ket 10c 30'
Mer 7~22' 104u 46'40' IV 2"r 14'
X27"14'
Nept 25 19' vm 06i.14 VII Moon
Ura 24" 21' 04 46' 40" 2611 21'
Rah JOU 30"
1xo2 t4'
Good Luck
Sublords of cusps
Ase Mars VII Sub
II Jupjter VIII Rahu
III Mercw:y IX Venus
-
rv Salum x Saturn
v Rahu -
XI Moon
VI Mercury XII Mercury
Present period - sub periods:-
1992 4 6
Mars - Saturn ] ] 2
1993 5 15
Mars - Mercury 0 11 27
1994 12 5
Marriage is determined from 2,5,7 and 1 1th. Reason is very
simple. 2nd house indicates addition in the family, 5th house indicates
love and progeny, 7th house indicates opposite sex and 11 th house
indicates union and permanent tie of friendship.
First of all one must see whether there is any marriage at all. If
the sublord ofthe 7th cusp becomes the significator of either 2 or 5
or 7 or 11 th houses, then marriage is promised it is clear.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati 251
Second marriage is cetennined from 2nd and l l th. According
to Glllllji Second marriage is indicated if the following two conditions
are simultaneously satisfied.
J. The sub lord of the 7th cusp is deposited in a dual sign or in
the constellation of a planet in or owning a dual sign or if the sublord
of the 7th cusp is mercury and
2. The sub lord of the 7th cusp is also a significator of either
of thehouses 2 or 11.
ffany one of theabove two conditions is not satisfied, then
second marriage is denied.
First of all let us see if there is any indication of second marriage
in this case. Here, the sublord of the 7th cusp is Sun. Sun is in the
5th house conjoining Mercury, lord of 2 and 11. This Sun is in a dual
sign. Moreover, Sun is in the sub of Mercury lord of 2 and 11. On
an analysis it is found that
1. Sublord of the7th cusp, Sun is in a dual sign, 5th house
and conjoins Mercury, Lord of 2 and 11 and
2. Sublord of the 7 th cusp. Sun is a strong significator of 2
and 11 as he conjoins Mercury lord of 2 and 11.
Hence it is found that above two conditions for 2nd marriage
are satisfied strongly. So, second marriage is promised.
The native is now passing through the major period of Mars.
Mars conjoins Saturn, lord of 7. Mars is in the constellation of
Mercury, lord of 2 and 11. This Mercury is in 5th in a dual sign
Sagittarius. Mars is in the sub of Ketu placed in Aries. This Ketu is
strongly aspected by Jupiter lord of 5. Ketu represents Mars as it is
in the house of Mars. This Mars, conjoined Saturn lord of 7. Hence,
Mars becomes the significator of 7,2, 11 ~5 and dual sign. So during
the period of Mars second marriage is possible.
The native is now passing through the sub period of Saturn
mder Mars, which will be operative upto 15-5-1993. Saturnis the
lord of 7. Saturn is in the constellation of Mercury, lord of 2 and l l .
This Mercury is placed in 5 in a dual sign. Saturn is in the sub of
Good Luck
x 10-40
vn 11-02 vm 1l-40 IX 11-40
Ket. 17-43
VI I0-40
Smt. J. Gfftha XI 9-40
2SI0-1957 Friday
419A.M.
Thiruvayyaru
V9-4{) B.alanu in Jupiter dasa
xn 10-40
2 Ys - I M - 18 days
Ven. 23-34
IV t0-40 Rahu 1743
SatR 18-30 Ase. 11-02
II 11 40
[ll 11-40 Jup. 23-02
Mere. 833
Moon 1-33 Mars 26-50
_.Sun_R
Good Luck
(Moles in the body, the lines in the hand and positions and
relation of theheavenly bodies at the time of bi~ reveal the life
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Sani
Rahu I Mars
I I I
Lagna Nepture
Thursday
21.9.1911
Poorvapaguni Moon
Uranus Mcreary
Venus
j
Guru Sun
Kclhu
'
J
At the time of birth 10 years of Venus dasa remained. When
he was 40 years of age and was running Rahu dasa, Sani Bhukti,
Rahu Anthra, his wife passed away.
[It is mentioned in Uthrakalarnritham that Rahn or Kethu in 5
or 9 conjoined with, or aspected by, lords of 2 and 7 cause death.
To the naive, if you apply, Gum dasa (lord of 2) conjoined with
Kethu will cause anxiety. But please apply in the following manner:
Lagna indicates the person 7th house shows the wife. Rahn is
in 9 to the 7th house,, Leo-Simha. Sani is the lord of7 to Leo.
- -
Nepture
Kethu
16.2.1916 Mars
'
Wednesday
Lagna
Rahu
Mercury
Slm
Uranus
Jupiter I VI14-46-40
v 15-35 VI 1106
IV 16-06 Ke tu I
Mars(R)
I
Mer. <R)
IX 12-06-
11 7-06
Sun
I
Venus
Ase. 4-46-40 XII 11-06 Rahu x 16-06
I
XI 15-35
2. Ruling Planets:
ASC : Sun - Ketu - Saturn.
Rasi : Moon - Mercury - Moon.
Day lord ~ Sun.
3. Cuspal Postiion:-
RESEARCH STUDY:
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Here in this case the 4th house sub lord is sun, lord of 8th, in
the star of mercury so it satisfies all the conditions of KP for adoption.
The adopted parents have already only one female child. The
chart of the person who adopts the child is given below, in his chait
the 5th house sub lord is Jupiter, lord of 3 and 6, in the first cusp.
Jupiter is in the star of Saturn lord of 4 and 5 in the second house.
Nonnally Saturn in the 2nd cusp indicates samllfamily. Here Saturn
aspects 5th house Jupiter is in the sub of Venus lord of 8th in the 7th.
Therefore in his chart also adoption is indicated.
Querrent:
Matter of querry : Adopted child
Place Nagerkoil
State TamilNadu
Country India
KrIBhnamurtiPadhdhati 279
DasaBal Moon9 Yrs. 1 Month.:8 days
Endsorl 17-9-2014
I
~1s D M- .. _Sec
_______,
Sql StL I Sbl
I
Ssl.
-- - ----i-~.- --I
ASC I- 10 8 14 31 Saturn ; Stm 1 Venus Sim
_____, - --
.2ndt} 10
14
l5 I
- --~---
i
5th j -2 14 7 8
-.-
_Venus J Moo~ -,Jupiter Jupiter
16th
c----~3 10 4J 16 MercW)'_ : Rahu I Saturn -Sa tum .. ---
17th ! 4 8 14 31
f----
Moon ; Saturn I Venus Venus
- ~--------1
18th
l __ I5 IO ll 44 Sun Kethu II Saturn Moon
9th
--
6 I
14 14 1
)j -!--::--::- ---~- - - ..
Mercury I_M~n_ _ J~itcr 1 Sa!U_!n
-
10th
r----
7 15 l 4.) _J 51 Venus Rnhu Venus Moon - - - - --------j
Vl2151-11
Moon 9-39-1 S
Ket. 20-57-52 vn 21-I0-6 vm20-40-0 IX 18-:58-4
Mer.18-40-4-5 Ven0-26-28
Sun 1-9-11 Mars 224957
v 20~18-52 x 18-48-39
15-3-1959
9.45 pm
IV 18-4S-39 XI 20-18-52
II Mercury Venus --
III Venus Rahu
IV Moon Merc!HY
v J_!!iter Ju~ter
VI Mercury Stm
VII Venus Jupiter
VIII Moon Kethu
IX Rahu Moon
x -
Mere~ Kethu
XI Venus Jupiter
XII Moon Venus
_Cusp_~
IASC -:~
2nd ;3
,)rd
__ 4
'4th 5
'
--~
12th ___,_________..~~ 4_.Mars _Venus !Moon Ven~
PROGENY AND MARRIAGE 284
Miscarriage
Miscarriage may be due to many reasons according to medical
science but astrological rules especially in KP it is very much ea5y
to predict that why one is to abort.
The nodes are called abortive planets so whenever 5th house
sub lord is connected to Rahu or Kethu the tendency for abortion
wi II be more the serverity is differed form chart to chart according
to the sevearity of theaffliction of the5th house in respect to nodes.
Here in this case the 5th house sub lord is Rahu a abortive
planet. It represents Venus, Venus in the star of Mercury, Lord of 5
and 8 in the 12th house so miscarriage is indicated clearly by the 5th
house connection with Rahn and the 8, 12houses.
Due to the severe affliction of 5th house the lady has 7
miscarriages for child birth we have to analyse 5 and 11 houses. In
this case the 1 lthhouse sub lord is Jupiter. Jupiter lord of 2 and 11
in the 9th cusp. So it clearly indicates that as the 11 the cusp sub lord
is connected to 2 and 11 she must have a child definitely.
Actually she got a female child in 1987
As the Lime of child birth the lady is running Moon dasa Venus
bhukti Venus is in the star of Mercury. Mercury lord of S and 8th in
the 12thhouse. Unfortunately the Baby develops convulsions 3 days
after birth and the child had to be admitted in ICU of the hospital the
doctos diagnosed the case as brain fever. These are all due to the
affliction to the 5th house and its sublord.
Querrcnt:
Good Luck
II
10-45
KETU S?lO
'
LO 35
I NEP 22-10
XII 16-00
XI
19- OS
Now, for child bi1th, we shall see the 5th cusp, the owner of
the 5th is Jupiter Star lord is mercury and the deciding factor sub
lord is ketu.
Jupiter is posited in the sign Taums which is equivalent to
makear, the sign of debilitation of Jupiter and in N avamsa Chart it is
posited in the sign Makear, So, the santana Karak planet Jupiter
here, the owner of 2nd and 5th houses is much weak and indicates
that it is difficult to increase the member of the family by birth of
child.
5th Star lord mercury, the owner of 11thisin1 0th in the star
of Venus, owner of 7th and 12th in 8th is not good sign for progeny.
Lastly, the sub lord of the5th is Ketu, posited in its own star
is the occupant of 1st though it is feeble significator of 2nd and 5th
the owner is Jupiter which is much weak in strength. clearly shows
that it is not easy to get child.
As per tradition also, 5th lord is related with the 7th and Jupiter
the lord of 5th is in the navamsa of Saturn, which also indicates the
same thing, that it is not easy to get child ofhis own.
Now, coming up to the improved Kerala system of Astrology
here Santana moon is 353-lYand Santana Ravi is 1102.55and
from it substracting the multiples of 360 we shall get SanthanaRavi
as 22-5 5' 1 which when substtactedfromSanthana moon, we shall
Here, the 5th Cusp sub lord is Rahu which is also the 11 th
;.
v12s~s6' Mar
Jup. 957'
3-39 A.M. l.S.T.
2
12./13-11-1962
XI
Sherghati.
V fl[ 24PS6' Moon dasa Balance
9y-6 m -09 d
XI
Sat 1230'
Kcthu
I 0"()5'
?un-zo't'I
Venu~AR)
rv 263 ' I
23"56' 111 22~56' I[2256'
Mer 1929'
Ne_Q. 20UI 5.
Krishnamurti Padhdhati
aspecting the required houses for maniage and it is notthe signifiator
of themarriage then there will be denial of marriage, here we see
that Saturn is in the star of Moon which is the owner of 11 th house
So Saturn also becomes the significator for marriage, and hence
Saturn has not got the power of denial but there will be delaying
tendency inside Saturn. So position of Saturn clearly indicates that
there is delayed marriage indidcated for this chart.
The next thing which is also importnat that Saturn is in the star
of Moon and is also aspecting the house of Moon. So Punarphoo is
formed. The angular distance between Saturn and Moon is in the
range of trine aspect i.e 120 aspect, which is beneficial in nature,
hence there will be delay in marriage.
The above two points clearly indicate that the native will be
married at delayed age. From the chart the dasa balance of Moon
was nearly 9 years and 6 months and ruter Moon, the 7 years period
of Mars will start and will end on 16 years and 6 months nearly. So
there is no chance of marriage in Marsdasa Then comes the dasa of
Rahu which will run for along period of 18 years. So when Rahu is
favourable and significator for maniage then it may give marriage.
Rahu in Moon's Sign will be the agent of Moon also so Rahu will
become the Significator of 11 .Rahu in the sub ofVenus, which is
the owner and occupant of 2nd, hence Rahu has capacity of giving
marriage in any suitable Bhukti and anthra.
One thing must be remembered as a rule (to apply this there
is little chance of getting failure) that when Saturn is in the Sub or
star of Moon or Moon is in the sub or star of Saturn and Saturn or
Moon the significators then the matter will not froctify either in Saturn
Bhukti or in Moon Bhukti. Here Saturn is in the Star of Moon and
Moon and Saturn both are the significators, and also it is decided
that there is delay in marriage, so in Rahu dasa upto Saturn Bhukti,
marriage is not possible. After Saturn. the Bhukti of Mercury wil 1
run, ifl\.1ercrny is the significator then it may give maniage in a suitable
anthra period otherwise not, then to wait for another Bhukti. Mercury
is in the star ofRahu and isalso conjoined with. Venus, the houselord
PROGENY AND MARRIAGE 298
of 2nd and the Karak of marriage. So it is possible that marriage
may take place in Mercury Bhukti in any suitable anthra.
Up till now we have considered the hope of marriage, near
about time only on the basis of Saturn placement in Chart and relation
with Moon.
Now coming to exact principle the 7th cusp sub lord is Mars
which is the owner of 3, 8 and occupant of 10, Mars is in of Mercury
owner of, l, I 0 and also one of l. Mars in the sub of Sun owner
and occupant of 2. Mars is aspdect 2nd house, lord of 2nd house.
6th house lord of 7th house. So marriage is but delay is also indicated.
Now regarding significators :-
Sign of 2 -Venus Sun.
Sign of7 -Jupiter Sun, Venus
Sig of 11 - Moon, Rahu, Ketu Jupiter Mercury.
The marriage took place on 9. Sunday when the native was
mnning da~a Mercury Bhukti and Saturn Anthra
Now moving to nadi system. the occupant of Libra. Here the
pre marriage is concerned, so Venus has taken.
The 7th cusp fium Venus is at 2 Aries where the sub lord is
Satmn and in the star of Moon which is the occupant 7th house. So
marriage is promised Saturn and Moon relation will make marriage.
Significators fium Venus.
Sign 2 - Mars, Rahu, Jupiter.
Sign 7 - Mars, Moon, Rahu Saturn Jupiter, Mercury
Sign 11 - Swi.
Here Rahu, Mercury and Saturn are the strong significators
of 2 and 7. The significator of 11 is Sun and mariage was celebrated
on 9th July,' 89 on a Sunday.
Good Luck
Let me give below the nativities of two ladies who are the
second wives to their husbands. The horoscopes have been cast
from Krishnamurti Ephemeris and the KP. Tables of Houses
adopting the KP. Ayanamsa.
Sun 7-27
Lag 10-IJ
x 5-39 XJ 8-42 Mars 6-50 Mere 17-50
XII 10-34 Ven(RJ 183 I
Rah,u '.!8-12
IX 4-2:!
u 6-18
Jup. 27-4
A
Moon 24-8
Sat. (R) III 4-22
10-43 Kelhu 2812
VIII 6-18
IV :S-39
VII l0-13 VI l0-34 v 8-42
CHART A:
XH 28-41 v 26-19
Rahu29-28
B
Ketu 29-28
Vt28-4 I
Mars 27-36
XI 26-19
x 9-58
Moon 1-38 Ill I0-59
c
IX 10-59
Ven. 6-12
IV 9-58
Saturn (R)
VII 18-20 v 12-3 i
14-45 VI 16-24
VIU 14-40 Keh:1 5-47
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01 Venus Mars(R)
02 Moon Saturn
03 Rahu Saturn
04 Saturn Kethu
05 Kethu Rahu
06 Moon Moon
07 Rahu Venus
08 Saturn Jupiter
09 Kethu Mercury(R)
10 Soo Kethu
11 Mars(R) Moon
12 Saturn Sun
06 - - Merc(R) Jup(R)
-
Mercury is in conjuction with Venus. Therefore Mercury
will also represent 2nd and 7th houses.
R.P. at the time of judgement
Lagna : Karka rasi, Moon
Star: Sravan Moon
Rasi : Capricor Saturn, Rahu
- Day: Thursaday Jupiter
K.P. Ruling for Marriage:
7th cusp sub lord should be significator of either 2 or 7 or 11
house and it should be in a constellation of a r~~-trograde net. Also it
should not be alone significatorofsixth house.
In the present case the 7th cusp sublord is venus a chief karaka
for marriage. Venus. Saturn Venus and Rahn are in 9th house i.e. the
house for agreements, settlements etc.
As per horary she is now mnning Moon dasa and Rahu bhukti.
Other inter Periods in Rahu bhukti are found as follows.
20 12 90 Date of judgement
13 Saturn IP
3 1 91
16 2 Mercury IP
19 3 91
2 Kethu IP
21 4 91