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My earlier same thread deleted some unknown reason.I recieved many PM's by newbies about that thread which link still there in my signature (which
I not noticed) .Though same related thread is there of Subhdip here...still I sharing my way of trades as am trading this simple way since long time
now....
My only intention for start this thread that it may help some newbies to start trading in profitable and confidence way .....If this thread helps any new
trader am satisfied....

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My earlier same thread deleted some unknown reason.I recieved many PM's by newbies about that thread which link still there in my
signature (which I not noticed) .Though same related thread is there of Subhdip here...still I sharing my way of trades as am trading this
simple way since long time now....
My only intention for start this thread that it may help some newbies to start trading in profitable and confidence way .....If this thread helps
any new trader am satisfied....

Good vjay !!! Great work !!!


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My trading based pivot method ...so need simple chart is must for trading....
Though many variables are there in this method but I am sharing the simple way...one can trade this method 1-2 years then you start yourself to
tweak what the best needed as per your personality and your experience trading this method....its comes automaticly with you as you trading this
method day by day ....

This method only helps newbies as advanced traders get bored from this method as they allready applyed many new tweaks in this method
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Thank you VJAY sir for starting a new thread.

Will this cover swing trades too.


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Thank you VJAY sir for starting a new thread.

Will this cover swing trades too.

Dear vagar11,
I am sharing my way of trading which allready known PA trading which suits in every type of trading ...
Yes I used to trade it in BNF swing trades....
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Price action trading basicly trend trading ...we use pivots for find trends ...many threads allready in traderji explaining it various ways ..so I not go
much specificly ...will explain only what we need for our trade.
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New traders had always confussed in identifying pivots me too in my earlier days ....Most important thing to know in PA trading is find correct pivots
in our chart ....its most basic thing...Once you perfected pivot thing then am sure you never see any difficulties moving on....
There are different type of pivots which are identified differently ...we always miss and confuse one say thats pivot other one say thats not a pivot
Here everyone is right in his thinking...but newbies are confuse when in live chart ...In live many start to confussing about pivot ...so they start
wandering all arround .....
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Rally/Decline

Rally & Decline are the start of learning in chart for PA trading...its nothing
Price started to move up -Rally
Price started to move Down-Decline

How we see it in chart...

Its one bar we cant say its Rally or decline....

Here two bars ...last bar is higher high & higher low than first bar .....we can say its Rally

Here again two bars ,,,,last bar is lower high & lower low than first bar .....we can say its Decline

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Here too two bars ...but what's this ?Its only a pause non trending
(Though we can find trend in every bar too looking its open and close)...
But we not need it here
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Identifying Pivot

We must need clear cut way to find a pivot....so here its my way to identify pivot...

Rally started...when 3rd bar crosses high of 2nd bar ....now 1st bar low is pivot
we can call it as Minor pivot low

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Decline started...when 3rd bar crosses low of 2nd bar ....now 1st bar high is pivot
we can call it as Minor pivot High
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Using this simple rule any one can identify pivots on any timeframe charts .If you not then please tell me why not?

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Simply in charts every connecting point between rally and decline is minor pivot....
if one minor pivot breaks connecting point between those pivots also a pivot
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Live Crude chart....


May be in marked area you had doubt....
So for identify pivots you must start marking pivots in charts....If you want to identify pivots in every chart without any doubt then you need to go
through hundreds of charts in off and live ....depends upon your screen time .....but if you want to succeed then you must do this hard work

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Thanks for your posts. Are you only trading Nifty futures?

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Thanks for your posts. Are you only trading Nifty futures?

intraday yes...sometimes in crudeM too


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Please NOTE....we use these pivots mostly for our trade entries and stops even in next step to find visual pivots and visual trends ...so this is
backbone of this /any method ....
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Great to see you back in teaching mode.


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Some confussed pivots ...but rule is same ...no confussions

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There is one more pivot called aggressive pivot.We not use it always but using in some scenerios for entry & stops.nothing special in it.simple ....but
you not apply this everywhere in charts which again start to spoil your method ...USE IT WHERE IT NEEDED ( Will explain it later where I use it
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In rally price making a pause and continue to move higher then low of a pause bar called aggressive pivot
In decline price making a pause and continue to move lower then high of a pause bar called aggressive pivot
Its better that pause bar will close opposite of rally/decline...though I only use this kind aggressive pivots

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Please check the query on the chart?

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Please check the query on the chart?

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No augu bhai ...we need to bo here...though many advance traders take it as pvt...I not take it
I always tryed to keep simple in my definitions...
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pivot mPH-mPL
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pivot mPH-mPL

you mean side by side bars?

any type bar actions you only need to our definition of pivot to find it....
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you mean side by side bars?

any type bar actions you only need to our definition of pivot to find it....

no,thats a sideways phase.

pivot is flat is very confusing


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no,thats a sideways phase.

pivot is flat is very confusing


many loose money here only

please bear patience...I just started to identify pivot..


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please bear patience...I just started to identify pivot..

Ok,I dont know how to ask this question properly.


Later..

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Some confussed pivots ...but rule is same ...no confussions

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So if we have a possible pivot low bar then first we need one higher high and higher low bar it may be by after any number of bars without going new
lows ...then that HH-HL bar breaks up that possible pivot low is now real mPL
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Okey...now we go forward....How to find Visual pivots?We need visual pivots to find the trend ....

If after an mPL one higher mPH prints then that mPH breaks out lowest mPL becomes VPL
If after an mPH one lower mPL prints then that mPL breaks down highest mPH becomes VPH
confussed .... ...yes in words we always get confussed !!!!but in picture we get the point...

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Confussed VP's...

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Here we got HH-HL mp's / LH-LL mp's ...but not VP's

For VP we must take out higher mph/Lower mpl

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After print of VPL now if any bar breaks down last made mPL then current high becomes VPH
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Why need this VP's?


Okey We trade trend...so we need identification of trend...so we use these VP's for market trend..How?
As you now know whats this VP's ...now need to look where it happens ?
If we get Higher VPL & Higher VPH its UPTREND
If we get Lower VPL & Lower VPH its DOWNTREND

Its basic thing of UT & DT

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Now we know minor pivots ,aggressive pivots,visual pivots and when can we call uptrend and downtrend......not ?then please again study what I
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when trying to enter during break of a particular level (pivot/previous day high or low), should we wait for the candle to close and then take
entry or can triggers be kept few points away from the key point.

Sometimes the candle is a very wide range & entering at the close of candle gives a wider stop loss. Waiting for a pullback happens few times,
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Identifying Pivot

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Rally started...when 3rd bar crosses high of 2nd bar ....now 1st bar low is pivot
we can call it as Minor pivot low

Decline started...when 3rd bar crosses low of 2nd bar ....now 1st bar high is pivot
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I not done trading part yet!!!!!
still answering as per my part...we not say our entries are a winner when we enter trade....we not say we will catch every moves of market....we can't
say its holigrail.....we not say our entries always right

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Early Reversal Line -ERL

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This is a line we draw at body high/low (VPH/VPL)when price go abv any VP and close some distance from that VP .(note there must be a trend
before)...This line will help us to early reversal area when trend is not ready to go.....:confuse:

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Advanced traders draw ERL's every where from agg pvt to major pivots and take actions based those ERL's in trading .....also they use many
upgradation of Visual pivots for early entry ,sl,tsl etc...We here not look advanced parts and stick to basic VP's and ERL's on VP's only.Going forward
in future will introduce one more DVERL(Diagnol Visual Earlier Reversal Line) as this is one of good tool in some cases....but not now... when I see it
in live will explain it in live ...so don't confuse all ...you just need above visual ERL's for our trades as of now ....
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One more thing which we can use in trading that Failures and Rejections of price at visual pivots ...as you start trading this method you will get hold
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Now how you trade market using these simple minor pivots,visual pivots,trends.ERL's?
We learnt UT is when we see higher high visual pivot high and higher low visual pivot lows,DT is when we see lower low pivot high and lower low
pivots lows
..in between areas we see as sideways .....
So in UT we look for go longs using minor pivots
in DT we look for go shorts using minor pivots

So if we in DT price reverse where we look for longs .....


1.pivot above ERL (though its not end of DT trend,but we try for early reversal)
2.Pivot above VPH -yes we we get pivot above VPH and break of that pivot means UT started
Here we not go long above VPH directly...Why? when breakout of VPH means DT in question ...we need proper set up to @ least a trend start...For
confirmed trend you allready know that we need HH VPH and HL VPL...here only have a VPL & VPH nothing,,,

Hope I explained it correctly ...otherwise you will get in chart what I tryed to explain

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How we start the day?......................................

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Vis UT yesterday afternoon then

1.Gap into range but above ERL


2.Gap above VPH
3.gap in to range and comes above yday high
4.gap beyond VPL
5.gap into range below ERL
6.gap beyond VPL and back into def area(ERL area)
7.gap beyond VPL and goes stright back to above VPH

Just some changes for if DT yesterday afternoon...

1.If gap below VPL then short 1st bar if its bearish or wait for minor pivot for short
2.gap into def area(erl area) ----Visual PH required for long or it has to come
back below VPL and trade back into def area then that pvt in def area can used

ALSO IF GAP INTO RANGE THEN WE NEVER GO LONG/SHORT DIRECTLY @ VP'S


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Some other rules can use in trading....


1.When in big gaps/vertical moves can trade bothways on minor pivots upto price stabilise
2.Be carefull in sideways and not try to draw erls and get caught in whips
3.After a big fall/vertical move price most of times go to sideways infront of that big fall...so be carefull ....yuou will play ping pong
4.one can book profit if failures see at previous VPH/VPL,failures @ major SUP/RES areas,Hammers @ key areas...

Not coming all into my mind at now ...will give if any comes into my mind later
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Now today before market open we need to finish all our study/plans (if any) ,draw major/key areas as SUP/RES and think where might our entries
coming etc....once market started we must go as mechanical ...nothing to rethink just do what we follow ...no research ,no if's....all the study of
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You can trade this method in any time frame...3/5/15/30/60/d etc.....I here going with 5tf
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Need to go out after 10 .....


Now today opened above VPH so DT in question....

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Now 1st bar closed above some distance from VPH..our ERL line active ...though ERL line and VPL not giving much opportunity

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Now printed mPH above VPH...means we go long there ...our order placed ...
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Once mPH b/o its start of UT......as we learnt it earlier


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Now printed mPH above VPH...means we go long there ...our order placed ...
Here yesterdays high looking as RES(just for learning purpose )

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How mechanicly we doing these markings.........

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we got another lower mPH ..One can modify our entry above it...or stay with earlier...as this one like aggressive entry as we cant say its UT ...UT
start only after b/o of HOD
If we allready in UT then can take trade above this current mPH ...So its upto you take OR not

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Now printed mPH above VPH...means we go long there ...our order placed ...
Here yesterdays high looking as RES(just for learning purpose )

Can second bar high be considered as MPH...?


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Whats here going on ?mp's inside mp's ...tight range

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Can second bar high be considered as MPH...?

I think in that chart, it is not an mph yet, but can be considered for taking long.
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So we just following what learnt with peacefull mind ....nothing to look arround ...we take trades which market gives ...we have SL so we manage our
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I think in that chart, it is not an mph yet, but can be considered for taking long.

its allready mPH i posted in that post itself ..our order already placed ...when 4th bar bd 3 rd bar low we had our mPH
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So our long triggered sl below recent mPL...aggressive traders entered a little bit earlier though

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So our long triggered sl below recent mPL...aggressive traders entered a little bit earlier though

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its allready mPH i posted in that post itself ..our order already placed ...when 4th bar bd 3 rd bar low we had our mPH

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Now I move my TSL to big volume WRB bar low ...as its WRB and high volumes bar...

Hope in future some newbies get some learnings from my this thread when they visit this thread...

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its depends ones needs .. I personally not used much filter in entry just a tick abv the level...yes but use 1-2 filter for my SL if its trending market

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Thank you VJAY sir. Thread is going great with live examples.

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Thank you VJAY sir. Thread is going great with live examples.

Is anyone making pdf of this thread. As images are uploaded on imageshack, they will soon be vanished.

Let me do that, I will make a pdf of VJAY's posts and responses.


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In image below which one is good for going long or considered as mph point 1 or 2...

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Now I think many confused about my TSL!!!!!!


WRB is always clear trend bar...we need to know if that WRB breaks opposit means trend is so weak...I trail my SL when WRB comes in trend ...first
move sl to below WRB and if any type pivot appears below 50% of WRB bar also move SL below it ....You can also backtest this thing to use it as your
rule too...as Intraday trades we need to exit if trend looks weaken....
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Now trend looks like this...we got higher VPH and higher VPL...so Uptrend
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Why no long at last MPH break.

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You can trade this method in any time frame...3/5/15/30/60/d etc.....I here going with 5tf

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Should we take PDH, PDL into consideration at all while taking entries, i.e., if we get a mph above VPH break, but PDH is just a few points above?
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Actually I am not a right person to give any answer, b'coz I am not a good trader.....when you use PDL PDH PDC BRN etc for your trading descision
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Should we take PDH, PDL into consideration at all while taking entries, i.e., if we get a mph above VPH break, but PDH is just a few points
above? How do you handle this?

Dear wisp,
Yes ..you can take it ..but you need to make rules too...that will come only when you trade your method and look/observe what happens in that
ranges....
I too use it now days but for exits /move tsl...yesterday TSL is with 2 reason we got pivot (though our rulewise its not)below 50% WRB and it also
below PDH as rejection...even you can take trades in sideways using failure at those levels
But better develop it your own by observing those levels which I reco to all ...

One more thing is that if you are multi lot trader then these ranges are good place for partial booking profit
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To all do not trade 1 min TF. Better not to go below 5 min TF.

Purely my experience.

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To all do not trade 1 min TF. Better not to go below 5 min TF.

Purely my experience.

yahe to bhai sub millionaires/ billionaires in waiting hai on 1 min tf

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Regarding filter....here i take 2 point filter (from rounded low) Why?see that full bodied bullish bar before mpL its looks like some inside pivot though
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Inside mp's ...tight range,, TSL moved

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Now on the left side we have March 24th High which I think is a strong resistance (please correct me), do you adjust TSL here?
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VJAY bro,
Now on the left side we have March 24th High which I think is a strong resistance (please correct me), do you adjust TSL here?

we can use that level as its looks like major Res area...here no as we have allready HOD level near by that level bo is strong too so will wait with
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What is that red small line segment indicating ? Did you consider that 3rd green bar as aggresive pivot?

Do we use PDH while trading pivots as you have drawn a pink line.

Its PDH....why need agg pvt here ..as we not looking shorts?if for learning purpose then yes....
pink line is not PDH ...look previous post
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Why ST da telling NF is not giving trading opportunities these days ...look its hrly chart ...after gap/dn market stayes in range ...
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Again inside mp's ...tight range..moved tsl

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Its PDH....why need agg pvt here ..as we not looking shorts?if for learning purpose then yes....
pink line is not PDH ...look previous post

I thought I edited my post before you saw it.

Pink line is ERL. We are not looking for short here as we are in uptrend.

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Pink line is ERL. We are not looking for short here as we are in uptrend.

We will go for short on pivot if it forms below ERL.

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Tsl hit

For reentry if price moves back up again, what do you look for?
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For reentry if price moves back up again, what do you look for?

We are in UT so my long order above last mPH ...which hit means we get higher VPL...if its not UT then @HOD or if get higher mPL then abv related
mPH
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What is DVERL(diagnol eraly reversal line)?


Look this current chart...I marked pink line connecting 2 VPH's ....here note these line shuold be below 45 degree then only can say DVERL....here if
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What is DVERL(diagnol eraly reversal line)?
Look this current chart...I marked pink line connecting 2 VPH's ....here note these line shuold be below 45 degree then only can say
DVERL....here if price close abv DVERL then get pvt blw DVERL then we take short trade @ that mPL ....even one can trade failures on these
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Where DVERL is closeby like today, will you still place long order on the mph for reentry?
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Where DVERL is closeby like today, will you still place long order on the mph for reentry?

yes......If you look every obstackles in day trading you will see these one or other speed breakers always there
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What is DVERL(diagnol eraly reversal line)?
Look this current chart...I marked pink line connecting 2 VPH's ....here note these line shuold be below 45 degree then only can say
DVERL....here if price close abv DVERL then get pvt blw DVERL then we take short trade @ that mPL ....even one can trade failures on these
DVERL...but backtest it for your comforatble trades ....

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D ERL..

Not DVERL bro.


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D ERL..

Not DVERL bro.

thanks bhai....yes it DERL ...but for correctness I included V

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Hit SL ..again VPH

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Hope I had done what new traders want initially ....a method which they simply learn and can follow ,execute trades with confidently ..its helps to
grow as a trader...
If any newbie visit this thread just learn/understand minor pivots,visual pivots and trends...start trading simply and confidently....When you trade this
method atleast 6 months-one year with focus and error less execution am sure you are survive in this trading jungle...also you grow automaticly start
to introduce tweeks to early entry /exits etc your self without much outside help ...I too changed a lot trading this method continuesly found many
tweaks myself....
after understanding method ,backtest it as much as you can and few time paper trade it in live....before start live decide your Risk/trade so you can
only take trades which is under your risk...which kill your fear factor ...I reco minimum 2lot entry as 1 lot will be exit @ your initial risk other lot you
can leave for your sl/tsl....which helps to control your ego to do opposit
So I wish all the best who starting this method initially....
Many seniors in TJ traded this method and developed as a professional trader...
If any doubt you can ask here ...hope and sure you will get answer from anyone who knows this method...
and please don't complicate this method adding many new things atleast your initial stage...otherwise you never able to use it properly...
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I had said earlier failures at VP's are good for trades means counter trend trades ...though you need to look for which setup is good for entry ...you
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Nice thread. Do you check volumes. Share something about them if you fo

Just read in an uptrend. A decline begins with high volumes and slowly volume dries up signifying the bulls are not capitulating. So when after coming
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Nice thread. Do you check volumes. Share something about them if you fo

Just read in an uptrend. A decline begins with high volumes and slowly volume dries up signifying the bulls are not capitulating.
So when after coming down with a high volume when volume dries up. Its time to get into the uptrend
Vice versa for down trend.

Thanks lemondew sharing your views on volumes...frankly I not much involved in volume learning....used to observe high volume bars to move my sl
which is given me good success..also used to enter in failures looking volume..other than I not used much it into my trading...though I am learning
OBV from varunji's thread ...please share other things about volume which you experienced ....it might help us all ....
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