API 650 Tank Nozzle Loads - Can Not Use WRC For Tank Nozzle Check

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API 650 Tank Nozzle Loads #7600 - 05/24/01 09:25 AM 0 registered (), 54
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Charles online.
Babcock This may be more appropriate for the piping section since
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I am using CAESAR II to analyze the piping from two API
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Posts: 3 650 storage tanks. The tanks are 80 and 60 feet in
Loc: Corpus diameter and the nozzles and pipe are 6". 1
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I used the API 650 nozzle option in CAESER for my nozzle 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
node but when I looked at 650 Appendix P it said that the
practice was only recommended for tanks 120' in diameter 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
and larger. Is there an alternative calculation that is more 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
appropriate for my case?
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If not, how valid is the calculation and can I take credit for 11728 Members
the reinforcment pad thickness by adding it to my shell 14 Forums
thickness? I did not notice any mention of using the 16147 Topics
reinforcement pad thickness in Appendix P but the 72309 Posts
example problem notes that the reinforcement for the
nozzle is in the nozzle neck-- implying that you can take Max Online: 303 @
credit for it in general. This was doubly confusing given 01/28/20 11:58 PM
that it is a 24" nozzle and the begining of Appendix P says
that nozzles should meet the requirements of Table 3-6, Top Posters (30
which calls for reinforcement pads on nozzles over 2". Days)
Michael_Fletcher 11
Anyway, thanks for your help.
Vanman 10
Tom45 7
Kind Regards,
charles dgorsman 7
Richard Ay 6

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Re: API 650 Tank Nozzle Loads #7601 - 05/24/01 11:43 AM

Richard
Ay Regarding your question <em>"I used the API 650 nozzle
Member option in CAESER for my nozzle node but when I looked at
650 Appendix P it said that the practice was only
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12/13/99 recommended for tanks 120' in diameter and larger. Is
Posts: 6002 there an alternative calculation that is more appropriate for
Loc: Houston, my case?"</em>
Texas, USA
No, there is no alternate API-650 computation method that
I am aware of. Appendix P was developed from technical
papers published which described the instrumentation, full
scale testing, and FE verification of two tanks. That's it,
two tanks. Both were large tanks, diameter about 120 ft,
hence the code (limit) clarification.

One alternative would be to perform an FE analysis of your


own to qualify the nozzle(s). <em>You may want to

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consider the FE/Pipe program from Paulin Research


Group, I know this has an API-650 nozzle template.</em>

"Can you take credit for the reinforcing pad?" Yes, indicate
to CAESARÂ II that the reinforcing is on the shell. This
will use the figures labeled similarly from the code.
According to the API references, these curves were
developed from nozzles where a repad existed and its
thickness was equal to the tank's shell thickness.

[ May 24, 2001: Message edited by: rich_ay ]


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Re: API 650 Tank Nozzle Loads #7602 - 02/16/06 09:54 AM

shahram
Another method is to use WRC297 which has been
Member addressed in API650 App.P, have a look to that section ,
Hope you can get good result.
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Posts: 7 Regards

Shahram
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Stress Engineer

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Re: API 650 Tank Nozzle Loads #7603 - 02/16/06 10:21 AM

Richard
Ay I strongly suggest you stay away from the current WRC
Member Implementation in APi-650 Appendix P. This section of the
code is full of errors.
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12/13/99 _________________________
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Loc: Houston, Regards,
Texas, USA Richard Ay

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