Supreme Court of The United States: Heritage Reporting Corporation
Supreme Court of The United States: Heritage Reporting Corporation
Supreme Court of The United States: Heritage Reporting Corporation
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Petitioner, )
v. ) No. 17-1618
Respondent. )
and )
Petitioners, )
v. ) No. 17-1623
Respondents. )
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4 Petitioner, )
5 v. ) No. 17-1618
7 Respondent. )
8 and )
10 Petitioners, )
11 v. ) No. 17-1623
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1 APPEARANCES:
13 reversal in 17-1623.
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1 C O N T E N T S
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 (10:05 a.m.)
6 consolidated case.
7 Ms. Karlan.
4 employees here.
12 female --
24 contemplation in 1964.
9 for rebuttal.
10 (Laughter.)
13 (Laughter.)
23 VII.
19 can't do it --
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6 prisoners.
22 grounds.
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3 tests?
9 differently.
20 BFOQ.
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5 usage.
8 BFOQ?
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5 not an injury.
10 uniform requirements.
15 harm?
25 JUSTICE GORSUCH: No --
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7 examples.
13 a skirt --
21 my question.
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8 And they will find harm. And how does your test
11 to.
25 another --
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1 MS. KARLAN: It -- it --
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11 JUSTICE GORSUCH: So is it --
14 I -- and I apologize.
16 finish it.
23 biological --
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16 to --
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3 clear.
16 presumptively.
18 court --
24 discriminatory?
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1 JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: Is it
9 --
15 -- I understand.
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7 permissible.
13 because --
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6 opportunities.
10 opportunities.
13 Justice Alito.
22 in 1964.
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6 legislature.
13 to that question?
21 So if in 1964 it would be
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1 said --
8 then?
12 --
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4 kind of --
8 them.
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3 explain why --
17 at home.
20 at home --
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14 compelled to address?
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12 qualified to do a job.
17 since.
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8 textual interpretation --
24 out.
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15 everybody understood --
18 1964.
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2 counsel.
3 Counsel.
4 (Laughter.)
11 (Laughter.)
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7 1964.
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9 discriminatory treatment --
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4 adopt --
6 --
8 you --
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9 hard cases.
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13 suing --
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16 discrimination.
24 women.
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6 claim there.
16 which is famous.
20 a claim, in both --
24 right.
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1 there here?
5 said religion.
10 JUSTICE BREYER: No --
21 can be completely --
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10 unrealistic example.
23 our cases.
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16 different sex?
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9 expectancy estimates.
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22 their conclusion.
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3 sexual orientation.
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8 generous causal --
15 variable?
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6 there.
14 sense.
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11 lesbian women.
25 case?
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12 people.
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11 people's stereotypes.
20 people to -- to criticize --
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9 discrimination.
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1 that reason.
17 counsel.
18 General Francisco.
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7 all gay and men -- gay men and women exactly the
10 sex.
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1 they're related.
22 somebody is being --
23 JUSTICE GINSBURG: Is it --
25 against because --
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1 JUSTICE GINSBURG: Is it --
12 Title VII?
25 case --
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16 that's an --
18 Justice --
21 the sex.
23 with it?
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14 discrimination.
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1 aggressive --
4 rude to staff --
8 complaining.
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13 history.
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4 laws.
6 fail?
11 sexual orientation.
17 trait.
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6 not sex.
19 --
21 next case.
24 lesbian women?
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6 discriminate based on --
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10 orientation.
19 lesbian women.
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9 Title VII.
11 counsel.
14 Ms. Karlan.
17 RESPONDENTS IN 17-1623
22 discrimination cases.
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2 lesbians.
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8 employee is interested.
15 role here.
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6 happened.
10 sex?
21 with that.
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22 somebody is fired --
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20 thing.
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16 Thank you.
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