JaPo Dora Discussion Forum
JaPo Dora Discussion Forum
JaPo Dora Discussion Forum
The content of Part II follows the outline of Part I, with rules and detailed descriptions of colour patterns
applied to Fw 190D-9s and D-13s built by the type’s licence manufacturers, i.e., the Arbeitsgemeinschaft Weserflug (Arb.
Roland), Mimetall Erfurt and Fieseler Kassel. Separate chapters are dedicated to the influence of repair work on the final
appearance of aircraft, and the comparison of different Doras in single units at a specific time.
There is also a “bonus” chapter of a slightly different form, dealing with the detailed analysis of the development of the
Fw 190D with Daimler-Benz DB 603 engines, including the Fw 190D-14 and D-15.
The book is fully documented with extracts from original documents, black & white, and colour photographs, as well as
numerous colour schemes and colour profiles. It is completed with a comprehensive loss list of the entire
Arbeitsgemeinschaft Weserflug, Mimetall Erfurt and Fieseler Kassel production.
Highly recommended for all students of WW II aerial warfare, Fw 190 fans, and modellers.
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If you find any mistake or incorrectness in this publication, please post it here. It can helps us to improve quality of possible
reprints. Thanks.
3. 1. 2008, 4:29
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Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Michael Swan, Australia to: JaPo
Just received Vol 2 from a local distributor. Like Vol 1, a superb production.
Please note the erroneous heading on Page 424 that should in fact read 8/JG6.
Can't wait to see Volume 3.
Best wishes for 2008.
5. 1. 2008, 10:42
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Re:Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Tomáš Poruba to: Michael Swan, Australia
Dear Michael,
Warmest regards
Tomáš Poruba
17. 1. 2008, 21:08
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Re:Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Michael Louey to: Michael Swan, Australia
Hi Michael,
I am in Australia and was wondering which local distributor you managed to get vol 2 from and what their contact details
are?
Regards
Michael
9. 1. 2008, 14:44
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Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Jean-Claude Mermet to: JaPo
Hello all,
Regards,
Mike
11. 1. 2008, 23:35
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Re:Re:Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: John Manrho to: Michael Swan, Australia
Jean-Claude,
there is no way that <II is a JG 6 Dora. There is no evidence that Dora's from JG 6 ever used the red-white-red bands. JG 6
only used those bands during their RVT period. When JG 6 moved to Lfl. 6 command in mid January 1945 they removed
the bands. The Dora's were not introduced within II./JG 6 until the end of January at Sorau. Film footage of Dora's at Sorau
show no RVT-bands.
Cheers,
John.
12. 1. 2008, 12:07
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Re:Re:Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Jean-Claude Mermet to: Michael Swan, Australia
Mike,
I know the fact you speak of. The photos in "Doras of the Galland Circus, EF 1" on pages 32 and 33 (bottom) are very
intriguing. Without doubt, the photos have been taken on an ortho film rendering the red undersurfaces a black color. The
circle below the cockpit could have been actually yellow. The difficulty is : why this circle has same hue as the numerals on
other photographs ? One answer could be : the numerals are a dark blue, the circle is yellow and the photo has benn taken
on an panchro film with a medium yellow filter...
Maybe !
Jean-Claude
13. 1. 2008, 13:20
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Re: … Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Jean-Claude Mermet to: Jean-Claude Mermet
Precision... and excuse me for wrong typing.
Cheeres,
Jean-Claude
14. 1. 2008, 1:02
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Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: Fw 190D #13 of JV 44 to: JaPo
Hello,
Two things :
1)
After re-studying the sensitive curves of the different types of films in use at the end of the war and in connexion with the
photographs of pages 32 and 33 in "Doras of the Galland Circus", EF 1, there is another possibility : the numerals and the
circle are green and the photographs were taken on a panchro film with a medium green filter with the effect of darkening
the red colour of the undersurfaces and lighting the yellow tip of the spinner which, in this case, tallies the hue of the RLM
76 color of the sides of the engine cowling...
Other photos were made on ortho films with a dark rendering of the green color of both numerals and circle...
The photograph on page 8 was taken with a panchro film, so that the green color of the circle and the red undersurfaces
have the same density of grey.
2)
If no D-9s at all ever wore the JG 6's RVD band, the D-9 with <II + markings, on pages 334 to 337 in volume 2, is of JG 4
with black/white/black bands. Even if on the photo of page 337 we could think at a well weathered black color, I don't think
so, because, on page 338, the dark color of the RVD band, even against the sun, is lighter than the black svastika... In
"Doras of the Galland Circus", EF 1, on pages 16 and 17 can be seen "red 1". The black rendering of the red undersurfaces
indicates the use of an ortho film. Look at the renderings of the yellow band of the Si 204 in the background and of the
yellow tip of the Fw's spinner on page 17 : medium grey. If "<II" had had a yellox/white/yellow band, the rendering should
have been the same : medium grey, and it's not the case. On a panchro film the rendering of the yellow color should have
been much lighter (as with a panchro film with green filter), as on "<II" of Fw Werner Hohenberg's plane (Volume 1, page
115). In spite of some contrary elements, I continue to think that "<II" in volume 2 is JG 6's plane with, too, the caracteristic
spinner spiral of this unit...
Cheers,
Jean-Claude
19. 12. 2008, 22:54
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Re: FEEDBACK: Mistakes and incorrectnesses of this book.
from: chas to: JaPo
Dear JaPo Authors, I compliment you on your splendid books and thorough research. I know you try to make the best
guess of the various plane's camo colors that you can givne the information available. Recently the book by Jerry Crandall
on the D9 with many new color photobraphs has shown that many of your camouflage guesses must be revised. For
example RLM 74 and 75 together were use right to the end of the war. You see this on the wings of D9's from Kassel and
Mimetall in Ehrfurt How have these recent revelations changed your view about D9 camouflage and how you interpret black
and white photos?
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