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Third Interview
By Sarah
What follows is a session I recorded of Dr. Neruda on December 30, 1997. He gave
permission for me to record his answers to my questions. This is the transcript of that
session. This was one of five times I was able to tape record our conversations. I have
preserved these transcripts precisely as they occurred. No editing was performed, and
I’ve tried my best to include the exact words, phrasing, and grammar used by Dr.
Neruda.
(It’s recommended that you read the December 27 and December 28, 1997 interviews
before reading this one.)
Sarah: “Good evening, Dr. Neruda. Are you ready?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, I’m ready when you are.”
Sarah: “One of the things that I find hard to embrace about this whole affair is that the
concept of time travel always seemed like a fairly easy technology to develop. I know
I’ve gotten that impression from Star Trek and various other movies and television, but
still, what you’ve described seems like it’s so difficult to develop that we’ll never succeed.
Is it really that hard to develop?”
Dr. Neruda: “The way time travel is presented in the movies trivializes the complexities
of this technology, and interactive time travel or BST, as defined by Fifteen, is the most
sophisticated of all technologies. It’s the apex technology from which virtually all other
technologies can be derived. So, in creating BST, one is creating a short cut or an
accelerated pathway into the acquisition of virtually all other technologies. This is why
BST is so difficult to develop.
“Science fiction violates most of the scientific premises that are related to our
understanding of time travel. And BST in particular is an extremely sophisticated
application of scientific principles that are simply not stated in science fiction, mostly
because people like the effects and plot lines of time travel, more than they have an
appetite for understanding the science behind it. So writers, especially for television and
movies, trivialize the degree of complexity that surrounds this apex technology.”
Sarah: “But you didn’t really answer my question… will we succeed in developing it?”
Dr. Neruda: “There’s little doubt in my mind that the Labyrinth Group will succeed in
developing BST. The question is whether it’s in humanity’s best interest in the long-term.
They were weeks from beginning their initial tests for broad scale testing just before I
defected. There was widespread anticipation at the director level that BST was a matter
of four to six months away from a successful test.”
Sarah: “So what’s the biggest obstacle to success?”
Dr. Neruda: “Simply stated, it’s whether the Labyrinth Group has the ability to define
and access intervention points as prescribed by Fifteen that have the least impact on
related events in horizontal time. It’s the most subtle, yet most important component to
this whole chain of technologies.”
Sarah: “Can you explain this in lay terms?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s an extremely difficult technology to develop—defining the optimal

intervention point, accessing the intervention point, and returning from the
intervention point without detection. This is all about splicing time at the causal level
with a minimum of disruption. It’s the equivalent challenge of throwing a boulder into a
pond without any ripples.”
Sarah: “Why all the concern about minimizing disruption? I mean, in the case of the
Animus, aren’t they trying to completely annihilate humankind? Why should we care so
much about disrupting their way of life?”
Dr. Neruda: “First of all, the Animus are not coming to annihilate humankind. They’re
coming to control the genetic library known as earth. Their intention is not completely
understood, but it’s not to kill our animal populations or the human species. It has more
to do with genetic engineering and how their species can be modified to enable it to
house a spiritual consciousness. They want unfettered access to our DNA in order to
conduct experiments. Beyond this, they want to colonize earth, but for what ultimate
purpose we don’t know.
“To your question, the concern about minimizing impacts from BST intervention has to
do as much with selfish interests as altruistic ones. When events are altered or changed,
they can have unintended and very unpredictable consequences. For example, we
could successfully divert the Animus from our galaxy, but in the process, unintentionally
send them to another planet. This act would have consequences to our planet that we
could never predict.”
Sarah: “Are you talking about karma?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. It has to do with physics and the inherent nature of complex systems.
Causal energy is eternal. It simply bounces from event to event. In some cases, it shapes
the event; in others, it creates the event. Causal energy is the most potent force in the
universe, and when it’s redirected —on a global scale—it will rebound in unpredictable
and innumerable ways.”
Sarah: “So, this is the flaw of BST… not knowing the consequences of changing events?
Are you suggesting that we could succeed in diverting the Animus from our planet, and
then some years later fall victim to some other form of catastrophe that wipes out our
planet?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, it doesn’t happen quite like that. The energy system that was
redirected would simply rebound to the point from whence it was redirected. How it
would rebound is so complex that it would be impossible to predict the nature of its
reaction. I suppose it could invite a cataclysm of some kind, but it’s not to say humanity
would be punished, if that’s what you’re trying to imply.”
Sarah: “I guess that’s what I was implying. But isn’t it true that karma exists? And if we
turned the Animus onto another planet via BST, we’d be setting ourselves up for a
negative reaction?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. It means we’d receive a reaction, and the nature of the reaction may
be so unrelated to the causal energy redirect that no one would know it was a reaction.
This is the nature of causal energy: it rebounds of its own force and intelligence; it’s not
a simple reaction to an action.”
Sarah: “I thought karma, and even physics, held that for every action there’s an equal
and opposite reaction. What happened to this principle?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s alive and well. It’s just doesn’t apply to causal energy systems or the
dimension of vertical time.”
Sarah: “Okay, I’m going to avoid another discussion of physics in favor of finding out
why you think BST will succeed given our discussion of the past few minutes.”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s one of the main reasons I defected.”
Sarah: “How do you mean that?”
Dr. Neruda: “This issue of uncertainty, regarding causal energy systems, has always
been the breaking point of BST—at least theoretically. Fifteen believes he knows how to
manage this. I’m not so certain it can be managed, particularly after my exposure to the
WingMakers and gaining a bit of understanding into their solution in dealing with the
Animus.”
Sarah: “I know you’ve talked a little bit about this already, but refresh my memory. What
is their solution?”
Dr. Neruda: “I have only a few pieces to go by, so I’m not going to be able to talk
definitively about this.”
Sarah: “And what’s the nature of these sources?”
Dr. Neruda: “There was an RV session that elicited some insight. I read more about it in
the introduction of the text from the optical disc—”
Sarah: “This being the text that literally disappeared?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but I’ve stored the entire text in my memory.”
Sarah: “Anything else?”
Dr. Neruda: “I had a direct communication with what I believe was a representative of
the WingMakers.”
Sarah: “How? When?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s a complicated story, but Samantha, the RV assigned to our project, was
having increasingly strong connections to the WingMakers. Unfortunately, they were so
strong that Fifteen had little choice but to subject her to an MRP. I met with her just
prior to the procedure, and she suddenly began channeling a presence to me that I
believe was from the Central Race.”
Sarah: “And from these three sources you have a pretty good idea as to how the
WingMakers plan to protect their genetic library?”
Dr. Neruda: “Correct.”
Sarah: “And what did this channeled entity say?”
Dr. Neruda: “Its primary emphasis was that our technology would fail us.”
Sarah: “And by technology, it meant BST?”
Dr. Neruda: “That was my interpretation.”
Sarah: “So you trust this Samantha?”
Dr. Neruda: “I have no doubts about her whatsoever. She was simply our best RV, and
quite possibly the best natural intuitive we ever had within the ACIO.”
Sarah: “Let’s go back to something you implied a minute ago. Did I understand you right
that you defected from the ACIO because of a disagreement you had with Fifteen about
BST and the WingMakers’ solution of defense?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, it was a primary factor.”
Sarah: “Can you elaborate on this a bit?”
Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen believed that Samantha—our RV—could jeopardize our mission
because of her ability to make contact with the WingMakers. In two of the three RV
sessions she performed, they detected her presence, and they had begun to probe her.
Fifteen—once he had confirmation that these beings were, in all probability, from the
Central Race—became quite alarmed and put a stop to any further RV sessions.
“When I asked him why, he seemed to have some apprehension about their ability to
sense our work on BST, and feared that they may put an end to it.”
Sarah: “Why?”
Dr. Neruda: “Because they are very powerful beings. What most people consider God,
amplify by a factor of a thousand and you would be close to the range of capabilities
and power that these beings can wield.”
Sarah: “Are you saying these beings are more powerful than God?”
Dr. Neruda: “The problem with your question is that I don’t know which God you’re
referring to. The conception of God in the Bible, or most of our planet’s holy books,
bears no resemblance to the image of God that I hold in my mind.”
Sarah: “Okay, I want to come back to this topic because it really holds an interest to me,
but I also want to complete our discussion around your defection. Can you explain what
happened?”
Dr. Neruda: “Simply put, I began to feel that the defensive weapon installed on this
planet by the WingMakers stood a better chance of succeeding than BST. All logic
dictated this to be true. Fifteen, however, disagreed. He would allow further
investigation into how to find the remaining WingMakers’ sites and how to bring them
online, but he would never share the technology or anything related to the discovery
with the general public.”
Sarah: “And so your differences over this issue caused your defection?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “Back to the topic of God. Tell me how your version of God is defined.”
Dr. Neruda: “God is a unifying force, primal and eternal. This force is the original force
that summoned life from itself to become both its companion and journey. The life that
was summoned was experimented with many times until a soul carrier was formed that
could take a particle of this force into the outer, expanding universes.”
Sarah: “I assume this soul carrier you’re referring to is the Central Race?”
Sarah: “Are these the same as angels?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, the Central Race is more akin to genetic planners and universe
architects. They’re not well known or understood, even in the most insightful
cosmologies held by the Corteum.”
Sarah: “So, I presume if angels are real they’re yet another creation of the Central
Race?”
Sarah: “Then God, or this force as you were describing it, didn’t really create anything
other than the Central Race, and then returned to his abode in the center of the
universe. It sounds like the Central Race does all the work.”
Dr. Neruda: “The Central Race is simply a time-shifted version of the human race.”
Sarah: “Huh?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Central Race holds the genetic archetype of the human species, no
matter what form it takes on; no matter what time it lives in; no matter what part of the
universe it lives in. This archetype is like a magnetic force: it draws the lesser developed
versions of the species towards it. All versions of the humanoid species are merely time-
shifted versions of the Central Race—or at least that’s the view of the Corteum.”
Sarah: “Stop a second. Are you saying that I’m made from the same DNA as the Central
Race? That I’m essentially the same, genetically speaking, just in a different time and
space? How’s that possible?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s possible because the Central Race designed it that way. DNA is not
something that only transmits physical characteristics or predispositions. It transmits
our concepts of time, space, energy, and matter. It transmits our conscious and
unconscious filters. It transmits our receptivity to the inward impulse of original
thought, and this receptivity is what defines the motion of the being.”
Sarah: “The motion of the being?”
Dr. Neruda: “All beings are in motion. They’re going somewhere every moment of their
lives. If not physically in motion, their minds are in motion. Their subconscious is always
in motion, interacting with the data stream of a multiverse. The motion of the being is
simply a term we used at the ACIO to define the internal compass.”
Sarah: “And the internal compass is?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s the radar system of the individual that defines its path through life at
both the macroscopic and microscopic levels, and everywhere in between.”
Sarah: “I have this feeling that this topic could go on forever.”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s not that complex, Sarah. Think of the decisions you make in your life.
Which ones would you say were made for you by external sources, which ones were
your own, and which ones were a combination of both external and your own
decision?”
Sarah: “You mean as a percentage?”
Dr. Neruda: “Try to estimate.”
Sarah: “It depends on what stage of my life I consider. When I was a baby, my parents
made all my decisions—”
Dr. Neruda: “No, this applies to all stages—from birth to death. Just make a guess.”
Sarah: “I don’t know, maybe forty percent external, thirty percent my own, and thirty
percent a combination.”
Dr. Neruda: “Then you’d be surprised if I told you that you deposit an image within your
DNA—before you’re born—that defines your motion of being. And when this deposit is
made, your motion of being is defined by you, not someone else. No external force
makes your decision, an external force can only inform and activate a decision already
made.”
Sarah: “You lost me. Are you saying that every decision in my life was already made
before I was born?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. Every causal decision was.”
Sarah: “So what’s the difference between a causal decision and a regular decision?”
Dr. Neruda: “Think of how many decisions you make in a day. Wouldn’t you agree that
it’s probably hundreds if not thousands every day? These are—as you put it—regular
decisions. Causal decisions are defined by how integral they are to the substrate of the
individual being. Are you receptive to new ideas? Are you able to synthesize opposing
thoughts? Do you process information dominantly in a visual or numeric context? These
are causal decisions that you define before being born, and they’re encoded within the
DNA that activates your decision matrix. External forces like parents, teachers, and
friends only inform you of what you’ve already defined as the motion of your being.”
Sarah: “Is this according to the Corteum, too?”
Dr. Neruda: “This is part of the learning I personally gathered from my LERM
experiences. The Corteum subscribe to a similar belief, however.”
Sarah: “You’re telling me a variation of reincarnation, aren’t you? When you said that we
deposit an image within our DNA—before we’re born—who exactly does the
depositing?”
Dr. Neruda: “Only the formless consciousness can deposit an image onto the DNA
template.”
Sarah: “I assume you’re talking about soul?”
Dr. Neruda: “It depends again on your definition of soul. The formless consciousness is
that which observes and experiences through forms or structures, not just physical
embodiments. For example, consciousness can be contained inside a structure or form,
but not be physically based. The mind is such a structure. While it’s not physical,
consciousness—when physically embodied—peers through a mind structure like
someone looking through a window. Soul is often confused with the mind and vice a
versa.
“The formless consciousness is that particle of God that is decelerated from the
frequency of the God state, into individuality, where it can become autonomous and
exercise freewill. Think of it like a photon, or subatomic particle that is cast into a web of
interconnected particles of like-mindedness. That is to say, all the particles have a
similar frequency, or spin-rate, and they’re able to step down their frequency, at will, in
order to enter membranes of consciousness that can only be entered by taking on a
form. So the formless becomes form, and just before it enters the body, consciousness
activates the DNA template according to its desired experiences within the membrane
of reality it chooses.”
Sarah: “What do you mean by the term membrane?”
Dr. Neruda: “The multiverse is a collection of reality membranes, clustered together in

a dimensional matrix that responds to the thought circuits and gravity fields of our
formless consciousness. We’ve been trained, through evolutionary timescales, to accept
the three dimensional world as our reality. These reality membranes are not structured
like parallel planes or rungs of a ladder, but rather are like lattices of interlocking cells. If
you want, I can describe them in more detail, but I think it becomes so abstract from
here forward that I suspect your eyes will glaze over.”
Sarah: “All of this seems unbelievable. I’m beginning to wonder if you’re the
reincarnation of Jesus or Buddha.”
Dr. Neruda (Laughing): “I’m reincarnated, and that’s as far as I can attest.”
Sarah: “Do you remember any of your previous incarnations?”
Dr. Neruda: “Previous is a relative term. I prefer to think of my incarnations not so

much as a function of memory, but something more akin to a bleed through of a
simultaneous reality membrane. The compartments into which human experience is
divided are not so watertight that they exclude one life from entering, or influencing,
another. And from my experience, these compartments represent parallel moments in
the life of an individual across a broad sweep of time and space.”
Sarah: “So you’re implying that our past, present, and future lives are all lived out at the
same time, even though they seem to be taking place in different places and times?”
Sarah: “Okay, then explain how it’s possible, because it doesn’t make any sense to me.”
Dr. Neruda: “Our formless consciousness is like a sphere with many, many spokes
leading outwards from its central core. Each of these spokes connects into the vertical
time continuum through forms, and these forms—human or otherwise—feed the
formless consciousness with insights about the different reality membranes in which it
has form. In this way, the forms of the formless bring it awareness of different reality
membranes, which in turn is processed by the formless and passed on through the
unification force to God.”
Sarah: “God’s the recipient of all this information or experience… from every living
thing… from every time and place? How?”
Dr. Neruda: “I don’t have any idea.”
Sarah: “But this is what you believe, and I have to assume you wouldn’t believe it if you
didn’t have some evidence to support your belief.”
Dr. Neruda: “Sometimes you follow a trail of evidence to a point where it comes to an
abrupt end, but you can still imagine how the trail continues despite the lack of proof
that it moves forward in a particular direction. You can intuit its pathway. Call it
imagination or pure conjecture, I don’t care, but it’s what I’ve done in this case. I truly
don’t know how this magnitude of data could possibly be processed for any useful
purpose, but I believe it.”
Sarah: “Okay, give me a second to review my notes… because I want to go back to

something you said earlier. Here it is. You said that everyone defines his or her motion
of being at the causal level. If that’s the case, and assuming that soul is intelligent, why
would any soul choose to be impaired mentally, emotionally, or physically?”
Dr. Neruda: “How do you mean that?”
Sarah: “Let’s say that soul entered a body, but chose to be closed-minded, stupid, and
generally a blob. Why would an intelligent consciousness choose this and then imprint it
on their DNA so their life is made more difficult, or at least more boring?”
Dr. Neruda: “Let me ask you a question. Why would God impose this same condition on
a person?”
Sarah: “Ah, but you’re starting with the assumption that God exists.”
Dr. Neruda: “Make this assumption and then answer my question.”
Sarah: “I know what you’re implying, but why would either God or soul impose these—
at least from my point of view—stupid decisions?”
Dr. Neruda: “It has to do with complex systems and their inherent rules of dynamics.”
Sarah: “Could you be a bit more specific?”
Dr. Neruda: “In order to expand and ultimately support diverse life forms, the universe
required an incalculably complex system of interrelated principles and rules. The more
complex this system is, the more dynamic are its poles of interaction. Think of it like an
uncut diamond. When you shine a focused beam of light on it in a dark room, there’s
only a muted glow, but if you facet the diamond, making it more complex, it spreads
light in a radiant pattern upon all the walls of the room.
“Complexity works in a similar manner with consciousness, it facets human experience

and spreads the light of consciousness upon all the walls of experience, including
ignorance, stupidity, wickedness, beauty, goodness, and every other possible condition
of human experience. The formless consciousness is not stupid in choosing to
experience something that we might deem difficult or boring. It’s simply acknowledging
that the reality membrane of earth requires it.
“No one can live within this reality membrane and be untouched by the dynamics of the
human experience. No, one’s exempt from difficulties or pain. Does that prove that
every one of us makes stupid decisions? No, it only proves that we live within a complex
world… that and nothing more.”
Sarah: “Not to sound defensive, but you’d agree that some have easier lives than
others.”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but it’s not relevant to the intelligence of the formless consciousness.”
Sarah: “Okay, so is it related to the age of the formless consciousness?”
Dr. Neruda: “Are you asking if the formless consciousness—as it gains experience—
becomes better at selecting its motion of being?”
Sarah: “Exactly.”
Dr. Neruda: “The formless consciousness looks upon hardship and ease, the way you
might look upon the negative and positive ends of a battery. With relative indifference, I
would imagine.”
Sarah: “There’s no difference, is that what you’re saying? No value to being an Einstein
versus a Hitler? I don’t believe that.”
Dr. Neruda: “The choice is not made to be evil or wicked, or to select a life path that is
excruciatingly difficult for oneself and others. Nor, in the case of Einstein, did he choose
to contribute to humanity’s understanding in a way that permitted the creation of
nuclear weapons. In the formless consciousness of these individuals—prior to their
most recent incarnations—they didn’t make choices to harm or help humanity. They
made choices to experience aspects of this reality membrane that would contribute to
their own understanding.”
Sarah: “So, you’re saying that the soul chooses its motion of being according to its
selfish desires? It doesn’t think about the greater good at all?”
Dr. Neruda: “It doesn’t need to think about the greater good. That’s what the unification
force does.”
Sarah: “It’s an interesting philosophy. We can be as selfish as we desire, and leave it up

to God to make our selfish, clumsy actions into something that contributes to the
common good of humanity. Is that what you’re really saying?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. I’m saying that God, working through its unification force,
orchestrates the intermingling of life in order to bring about transformation in the
universe. God is like the cosmological alchemist who transforms the selfish interests of
the one into the transformative conditions for the many.”
Sarah: “Then you’re saying that God solves all of our human frailties. We can do
anything and it doesn’t really matter because he’ll fix it. If this philosophy were taught in
our world, we’d be in sorry shape.”
Dr. Neruda: “While it may not be taught in a formal way, humankind is unconsciously
aware that this is the way it works.”
Sarah: “On this point, I have to disagree with you. Selfish interests, evil intent,
stupidity… these are not the traits of a responsible society, and I don’t know of anyone
who believes that we should act in this way and then let God perform damage control
or mop up after our poor judgments.”
Dr. Neruda: “You misunderstand. Perhaps I’m not explaining this very well. Let me try
again.
“First, the selfish interests of the formless consciousness are to facet its consciousness
in such a way that it can receive and radiate the unification force. In so doing, it can
become consciously connected to this force and knowingly become a conduit for it into
a broad range of reality membranes. Now, the formless consciousness selects reality
membranes to enable the faceting of its consciousness. None of this is done with an
attitude of universal contribution or noble purpose. However, this isn’t a result of selfish
behavior as you think of it. It’s a result of its nature… the way it was designed.
“I’m not saying that God cleans up after our messy mistakes. I’m saying our messy
mistakes are not messy mistakes. Again, we live in a complex system of interdependent
reality membranes. You can think of these membranes like scales on a snake, and the
snake represents the collective human consciousness. Each scale protects the human
soul and, collectively, propels it through its environment – in this case, the multiverse.
The messy mistakes that we individually and collectively make are as responsible for the
existence of the multiverse as are the noble contributions.”
Sarah: “Let me see if I got this right. You’re saying that our mistakes—both as
individuals and a species—make it possible for us to exist, so, therefore, they’re not
mistakes?”
Dr. Neruda: “As I said earlier, complex systems require a near infinite range of
dynamics in order to sustain the system. Our reality membrane is form fitted to the
complexity of our universe, which in turn created the environment of earth and its
various life forms. Yes, our mistakes, our individuality, is a central part of our ability as a
species to sustain itself in the face of a complex, interconnected structure of the
quantum world and the cosmos.
“The selfish motivations harvest the experience that facets our consciousness, which in
turn are harvested by the unification force and used to transform reality membranes
into passages through which a species can return to the God state. The mistakes weigh
equally in this process, as do the unselfish contributions. Nothing is wasted.”
Sarah: “If this is all true, why even worry about the Animus or anything else? Just let
God take care of everything.”
Dr. Neruda: “Because the Animus are not connected to the unification force.”
Sarah: “Why? I thought you said everything was.”
Dr. Neruda: “The formless consciousness doesn’t select soul carriers that don’t utilize
DNA as its formative structure. It knows that these structures are not able to connect to
the unification force, and therefore, cannot be trusted.”
Sarah: “And they can’t be trusted because?”
Dr. Neruda: “Because the unification force is what brings coherence to incoherence,
and purpose to chaos. Without it, physical structures tend to ebb and flow in stasis,
which is to say, they don’t transform.”
Sarah: “How did this happen?”
Dr. Neruda: “What?”
Sarah: “That the Animus became an independent race unconnected to God?”
Dr. Neruda: “You’ve heard the story of the fallen angels?”
Sarah: “You’re talking about the Lucifer rebellion?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. This story is misrepresented in Biblical texts, owing to the fact that
the authors of these texts didn’t have a sufficient understanding in which to define
cosmology or physics.
“The Central Race designed the higher life forms, and this includes a wide range of
beings that operate within the quantum world and the reality membranes therein.
Among these beings are what we commonly refer to as the angels, who are
intermediaries between the soul carriers of humanoids, and the Central Race.
“There were some within the angelic realm that believed the Central Race was too
controlling of the soul carrier structure. They felt that a structure should be created that
would enable angels to incarnate within the reality membrane of earth and other life-
bearing planets. They insisted that this would improve these planets and the physical
structure of the universe at large. However, the Central Race refused this proposal and
a renegade group left to design a soul carrier, independent of the Central Race.”
Sarah: “Hold on a moment. You’re saying that Lucifer led this rebellion to create a soul
carrier that could house the spirit of an angel, and the Animus are the result?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s more complicated than that. Lucifer, or what we have come to call
Lucifer, was a very devoted servant of the Central Race. He was one of the forerunners
of the angelic species; capable of powers that were diminished by the Central Race in
subsequent prototypes.”
Sarah: “Are you saying that angels are created… that they can’t reproduce like
humans?”
Dr. Neruda: “Correct.
“Lucifer’s personality included a strong sense of independence from his creators, and
an even stronger sense that his creators were flawed because of their insistence that
the humanoid soul carrier would exclusively house the formless consciousness, and not
the angelic form. To Lucifer, this seemed unthinkable because the angelic form was
superior in its capabilities and could be of great assistance to the physical life forms on
earth and other life-bearing planets.
“From Lucifer’s perspective, humans and the higher order species would be unable to
transform themselves because of the severe limits of their soul carriers, or physical
forms. Lucifer felt certain that without the collaboration of the angels, humanoids
throughout the universe would become increasingly separated from their purpose as
spiritual beings, and throw the universe into disarray, which would eventually cause its
destruction and life within it—including, of course, angels.”
Sarah: “Then you’re suggesting that the Lucifer rebellion was simply a disagreement
over this one issue?”
Dr. Neruda: “Lucifer wanted to incarnate into this reality membrane the same way
humans do. He wanted to become a collaborator with humanity to assure its ascension.
While the Central Race saw his intentions as noble, they feared that the angelic
incarnations would become known as Gods to their human counterparts, and
unintentionally mislead humans, rather than co-create the ladder to the God state.
“This matter underwent a tremendous debate, ultimately forming a division between

the angelic realm and the Central Race. The loyalists to the Central Race argued that
Lucifer and his sympathizers should be banished for their radical ideas that could
potentially create a lasting division in their reality membrane, and cause them
tremendous turmoil. Lucifer, in wide-ranging deliberations with the Central Race,
negotiated a compromise that enabled him to take his group of sympathizers and prove
the value of their plan on a single planet.”
Sarah: “Are you saying that Lucifer was allowed to experiment on a planet?”
Sarah: “Okay, before we go any further, are you talking about this in the context of
myth or are you essentially representing the Corteum view?”
Dr. Neruda: “There are three ancient manuscripts in the ACIO’s possession that
describe this story in an allegorical form, but the Corteum view—as you put it—is much
more descriptive and definitive as a record of this cosmic event.”
Sarah: “So, Lucifer conducted this… experiment. Where and to what result?”
Dr. Neruda: “The planet is in a galaxy known as M51 to your scientists.”
Sarah: “This is the same galaxy of the Animus?”
Sarah: “So you’re really saying that Lucifer and his band of sympathizers created the
Animus to be soul carriers for angels?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s more complicated than that.”
Sarah: “I certainly hope so because this story is too strange for me to believe.”
Dr. Neruda: “Be patient. We’re moving into uncomfortable territory for most people. So
take a deep breath and bear with me as I try to explain this.
“Lucifer created a synthetic physical structure that could accommodate the quantum
requirements of an angel. It was a very effective structure, but induced a strong survival
complex within the species, which eventually overpowered the angelic tendency of
altruism and cooperation.”
Sarah: “Why? What happened?”
Dr. Neruda: “When the formless consciousness enters a reality membrane through a
structure like a soul carrier, it immediately feels disconnected from all other forces, but
its own. It’s literally thrown into separation. In humans, this is more or less controlled
through the subtle realization that it remains connected through the unification force,
and this is because its DNA is designed to emit this feeling of connection
subconsciously.
“However, in the case of the soul carrier designed by Lucifer and his followers, this
connection was severed both consciously and subconsciously because the structure
was not based on DNA, which is strictly controlled by the Central Race. Consequently, it
inclined this experimental species toward a very strong survival complex because it
feared extinction so deeply, which is the result of feeling complete separation from the
unification force. This survival complex created a species that over-compensated its fear
of extinction by developing a very powerful group mind.
“The group mind compensated for the loss of connection to the unification force,
creating its physical and mental corollary. It was the equivalent of unifying the species
as a whole in the physical reality membrane of their planetary system. Thus, the angels
that entered this system lost their memory of their angelic natures and became more
interested in operating as a single collective, than as individuals.
“They became a concern for the Central Race, and Lucifer was asked to dismantle his
experiment. However, Lucifer had become attached to the specie that he had helped to
create. These angelic beings had developed over a number of generations a very
sophisticated set of technologies, culture, and social order. It was like an extended
family in many ways to Lucifer. So, he negotiated to modify his creation so they would
no longer accommodate the angelic frequency or quantum structure, but that they
could become self-animated.”
Sarah: “How do you mean self-animated?”
Dr. Neruda: “That they would become soulless androids.”
Sarah: “And so this happened and that’s how we got the Animus?”
Sarah: “It doesn’t make any sense. Why would God, or the Central Race for that matter,
allow Lucifer to create a race of androids? Didn’t they know that these beings were
going to become the scourge of our universe?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, of course they knew. However, God doesn’t design something as
complex as the multiverse, and then control how everything operates.”
Sarah: “But you said earlier that God orchestrates what happens through the
unification force.”
Dr. Neruda: “God orchestrates how the dynamics of the multiverse come together to
form a unified, comprehensible data stream that can inform the next evolution of the
multiverse. Most people would think that an all-powerful God would banish a species
like the Animus, but it doesn’t work this way because the dark side of predation, as in
the case of the Animus, sparks resourcefulness and innovation in its intended prey.”
Sarah: “And we’re the prey.”
Dr. Neruda: “Not just us, but the humanoid species as a whole.”
Sarah: “Evil begets good. That’s what you’re really saying, right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Again, it’s not evil against good. The Animus don’t consider themselves to
be evildoers when they invade a planet. From their perspective, they are simply
executing their plan to become reconnected to their sense of individuality and become
—as strange as it may sound—more spiritual.”
Sarah: “But when I asked you earlier if you knew what their intentions were with earth,
you said you didn’t know.”
Dr. Neruda: “I don’t. However, I do know something about their intentions to

reengineer their soul carriers to be more DNA compliant. They want to introduce DNA
to their soul carriers in order to transform their species. This is essentially what any
race would do under their exact set of circumstances. In fact, you could even call it
noble.”
Sarah: “Noble? I don’t see anything noble in trying to commandeer our planet and
subject our citizens to genetic experiments and tyranny.”
Dr. Neruda: “To us, no. But from a completely objective viewpoint, one can appreciate
that the Animus are just trying to transform their species for the better. They don’t have
any other choice because without DNA, they’re simply unable to connect to the
Sarah: “Why can’t they contact the Central Race and ask for help?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Central Race is well aware of the Animus, and consider them their
most potent enemy. Perhaps they consider them unsalvageable. Or perhaps the Central
Race invites the drama of having an ancient enemy that forces them to protect their
most valuable assets. I don’t pretend to know. But for whatever reason, the Central
Race is not able or willing to assist the Animus in becoming reconnected to the
Sarah: “So whatever happened to Lucifer and his plan?”
Dr. Neruda: “According to the Corteum, he’s alive and well and completely reintegrated
into his species as a member of high standing.”
Sarah: “Just so I’m clear, we are talking about Satan aren’t we?”
Dr. Neruda: “Theologians are left with a tattered tapestry of myth and legend, and from
this, they’ve injected their own interpretations down through time. What we’re left with
is little more than the fiction of a thousand voices, but it somehow manages to become
known as fact.
“Satan, as we think of him, never existed. There is no countermeasure to God. God

encompasses all dynamics. It has no polarity of itself that is beyond its reach, or
personalized outside of itself. The story of Lucifer—at a very high level—was just
described to you. I assume you can see some similarity to the version of the Lucifer
Rebellion depicted in the Bible, but the correlation, I’m sure you’d admit, is sparse at
best.”
Sarah: “But if there’s no source of evil, why does evil exist in such abundance? And
before you answer, I know you’ll disagree with my assumption that evil exists, but how
can you reconcile terrorism or any other predator force of humankind as anything but
evil, even if Satan never existed as you claim?”
Dr. Neruda: “If you watch movies like Star Wars or Star Trek they imply that
extraterrestrials populate every planetary system in the galaxy and beyond. However, it
just isn’t true. Our planet is an extremely rare combination of animals and organisms.
The universe that comprises our physical reality membrane is in fact hostile to life—at
an extreme level. And yet life somehow managed to emerge on our planet in the black
depths of our oceans—”
Sarah: “What does this have to do with my question?”
Dr. Neruda: “Be patient, I’ll get to it. I promise.”
Sarah: “Okay.”
Dr. Neruda: “The habitable zones within our universe would be analogous to extracting
a drop of water from the Pacific Ocean every cubic mile, and defining it as the only part
of the ocean that contained all of the potential conditions to bear microbial life. Then,
extracting a single molecule from each of these drops of water, and defining it as the
only part of the drop that could sustain multi-cellular life; and from each of these
molecules, extracting a single quantum particle and defining it as the only part of the
molecule that could sustain complex, sentient life forms like humans.
“The genetic library that thrives upon earth is a form of currency that has no price tag.
All I can say is that its value far exceeds anything that human thought could imagine.
And with this incredible value, our planet attracts interest from a wide-range of
extraterrestrial races, and this is as true today as it was a thousand years ago or a
hundred thousand years ago.
“Objects of inestimable value and rarity, such as earth, attract beings from outside our
planetary system that desire to control them, which makes earth an extraordinary
object of attraction. It’s precisely this attraction that has brought the concepts of evil to
our psyche.”
Sarah: “I followed you right up to the last sentence and then lost you. How did this
attraction bring evil to our consciousness?”
Dr. Neruda: “Aggressive ETs, seeking to quite literally own earth, visited our planet
approximately eleven thousand years ago. These ETs brought their genetics to our
native DNA, and in so doing, modified our human DNA adding a more aggressive,
domineering drive to our personalities. This predisposition divided the human species
into the conquerors and the conquered.”
Sarah: “I don’t get it. You’re saying that ETs impregnated thousands of our native
population with an aggressive gene that brought evil into our consciousness?”
Dr. Neruda: “These ETs were not so different in physical form than the native humans,
and they were treated like Gods because of their superior technologies and capabilities.
It was considered a great honor to have intercourse with these beings, but only a few
were selected.”
Sarah: “So how did their DNA become so influential that it literally brought evil into our
lives?”
Dr. Neruda: “One of the yet-to-be-discovered properties of DNA is that it can

communicate traits – particularly aggressive traits – without physical interaction.”
Sarah: “Explain, please.”
Dr. Neruda: “There are carrier circuits within the DNA that transmit traits and even
forms of intelligence through a reality membrane that is sub-quantum. It’s a tributary
ingredient of the unification force that propagates new traits and understandings in the
few to the many. It’s what enables the transmission of a new insight or potent trait
across a spectrum of a species that resonates with the insight or trait, and it does it
without physical interaction.”
Sarah: “You’re saying that a single person could have an idea or trait that is deposited
within their DNA, and then their DNA transmits this trait like a broadcast tower and
everyone on the planet that’s like them is affected?”
Dr. Neruda: “Let me clarify some things you said.
“First, it’s not one person. It requires a critical mass of several hundred for a personality
trait to transmit, and perhaps only ten or twenty to transmit a new concept or insight. In
any case, one person is not sufficient. This is not an exact science yet, even to the ACIO.
“Secondly, it’s not transmitted like a broadcast tower. It’s transmitted selectively to
resonant DNA, and the effect it has isn’t dependent on whether the recipient is like, or
even similar to, the donor. It’s dependent on the receptivity of their DNA. Some people
open their DNA up to new innovations, others don’t. This is the critical factor in whether
the new trait or idea is successfully transmitted.”
Sarah: “Okay, ETs with their aggressive personalities infected humans, and this brought
evil tendencies to our race. Why would the Central Race allow this to happen?”
Dr. Neruda: “We don’t know.”
Sarah: “But you said earlier that they would protect our planet with their best
technology. Why didn’t they protect it thousands of years ago?”
Dr. Neruda: “This is a mystery. We don’t know.”
Sarah: “I assume this must be another reason that Fifteen doesn’t want to rely on the
WingMakers for our protection.”
Dr. Neruda: “He doesn’t talk about it, but I’d agree with you.”
Sarah: “I’d like to return to the topic of God… and just for the record, I’m well aware that
I’m off the subject of the WingMakers, but I can’t resist talking about these things.
Okay?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s fine with me. I’ll discuss any topic you choose.”
Sarah: “You explained earlier that to you, God is a force, but is it the force?”
Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean is God plural or singular?”
Sarah: “Yes.”
Dr. Neruda: “God is both.”
Sarah: “Both?”
Dr. Neruda: “God is found everywhere because it’s the unification force, but
paradoxically, being the unification force it is also unique or singular. Physicists will
explain to you that there’re four primary forces at play in the universe: strong nuclear,
weak nuclear, gravity, and electromagnetic. These forces are actually facets of a singular
force, more primal and absolutely causative.
“Einstein worked nearly thirty years trying to prove this with his unification theory, but
never found his answers. No one supposedly has. I can only report that the Labyrinth
Group—using its LERM technology—has discovered this force. And this force possesses
an unmistakable consciousness. That is, it is neither chaos nor order. It is both, and
flows between the two worlds of chaos and order like a sine wave flows between
positive and negative amplitude.”
Sarah: “And can our physicists prove or disprove this?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, our physicists cannot prove or disprove what I say. They’re too
shackled in specialized theories that are in crisis.”
Sarah: “What kind of theories?”
Dr. Neruda: “Like quantum mechanics, to name one example.
“Nearly all physicists, regardless of their specialty, would stand before you in all
sincerity, and advise you that quantum mechanics is the correct and complete theory
underlying our understanding of the universe. But it doesn’t honor the consciousness of
a particle, and it has no way of detecting the infinitesimal magnetic fields within which
these particles reside.”
Sarah: “Why?”
Dr. Neruda: “This is not a lay person’s topic, Sarah. I don’t know how to explain this in
words you’ll understand. It has to do with the fact that our physicists in academia lack
sophisticated force-amplification technology that can detect the extraordinarily tiny
magnetic fields that subatomic particles nest within, which in turn, creates an
interconnected web of thought circuits. These thought circuits—taken collectively—

represent the exterior structure of the unification force, and they permeate the
multiverse. The magnetic fields represent the interior of the unification force, and they
permeate the form’s formless consciousness.”
Sarah: “Okay, I get your point about it not being a lay person’s topic. You’ve completely
lost me in the abstract nature of this discussion. I thought we were talking about God,
and now I’m not sure what we’re talking about.”
Dr. Neruda: “Keep focused on the primal force. God has decelerated itself to display its
physical embodiment in the four known forces I spoke of earlier.”
Sarah: “So, this is truly how the universe works, and I should just accept it?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, no, no. I don’t want to leave you with the impression that what I’ve
said is the way the multiverse works. If there’s one truth I can state unequivocally, it’s
that my understanding of the multiverse, while constrained with the tools of particle
physics, cosmology, and mathematics, is partial at best, and completely inaccurate at
worst.”
Sarah: “Well, that leaves us essentially nowhere, doesn’t it? If what you’ve said tonight is
just partial understanding or complete misjudgment, where does that leave our
brightest scientists and theologians? You have all the advantages of advanced
technology and alien cosmology, and still you can’t explain the universe with any
confidence. Even with your proof of God, you claim to know essentially nothing that’s
absolutely true. How can that be?”
Dr. Neruda: “No one who’s invested in astronomy, cosmology, or physics likes to think
that their discipline is misguided by false or incomplete assumptions. But they are. And
there’s a good reason.”
Sarah: “Which is?”
Dr. Neruda: “Imagine that the observable universe is the middle rung on a ladder of
unknown length. Each of the rungs above and below our observable universe
represents an order of magnitude beyond our senses. For example, let’s say that the
rung above the one that represents our observable universe is the outer perimeter of
our Milk Way galaxy. Using a telescope we can see the next rung above us, but the rest
of the ladder is lost in a thick haze.
“Looking downward—at a microscopic level with an electron microscope—we can add

another rung below our observable universe, and with a particle accelerator, we can
even theorize what the next rung below that might be, but the rest of the ladder trails
downward into a thick haze no different than when we try to look up.
“With all of our technology and theory, we still have no idea how tall the ladder is or
even whether the ladder is straight or begins to curve like a double helix. We don’t know
if perhaps the top end of the ladder curves to such a degree that it actually connects
with the bottom end of the ladder. And we don’t even know whether there might be
additional ladders.”
Sarah: “Okay, I think I know where you’re going with this, but then why does it always
seem that science knows more than they really do?”
Dr. Neruda: “The largest population of the planet—perhaps 99 percent—has no

experience beyond the middle rung of the ladder. And those that are privileged to
observe the next rung above or below by the use of technology, falsely assume, or
perhaps hope, that the ladder retains the same form and holds to the same principles.
“The ACIO has observed another rung of this ladder—beyond the technology of
academia. Nothing more. However, in doing so, we’ve only become humbled by the
depth and breadth of our ignorance. We’ve learned that the ladder does change. It
begins to modify its form and we theorize that its shape is no longer predictable or even
stable.”
Sarah: “So doesn’t that mean that our physics is wrong?”
Dr. Neruda: “I like the way an obscure writer, by the name of Gustave Naquet, put it:
‘Whenever knowledge takes a step forward, God recedes a step backwards.’
“Each rung of the ladder may require a different physics or set of laws and instruments.
Is the Neanderthal wrong in the face of the modern human? He was merely a precursor
or early prototype. And this is the same as physics or cosmology. It must be understood
as a valid prototype that has its purpose in time, but will ultimately be displaced by a
new model that encompasses more rungs of the ladder.”
Sarah: “It’s still hard to imagine how all this technological advantage that the ACIO
wields could only make clear how little we know about our universe. It doesn’t leave
much hope for us.”
Dr. Neruda: “How do you mean that?”
Sarah: “Well, it seems to me that if we don’t know what we don’t know, we’re doomed
to make assumptions about things that are taken as fact, when in reality, it’s just
opinion. In this regard, science is no better than religion. Right?”
Dr. Neruda: “The interesting thing about science is that origins reveal how things work.
If you can follow particles to their origins, you can understand how inner space works. If
you can follow the cosmic particles—galaxies, quasars, and black holes—to their origins,
you can understand how outer space works. When you put the two halves together with
in-between space, or the observable universe, you can understand how the whole
multiverse works.
“The problem is that no one has the lens or technology to observe the origins. And this
is where theory takes over. The difference between science and religion is that science
applies theory while religion applies faith. Both theory and faith, however, fall short of
revealing origins. So in this regard, they’re similar.”
Sarah: “But if what you’re saying is true, then we live in a world we don’t really
understand.”
Dr. Neruda: “Exactly.”
Sarah: “If we don’t understand our world, and science and religion are inadequate,
where do we turn? I mean, how are we supposed to cope with our ignorance?”
Dr. Neruda: “The danger of ignorance is only in believingthat you’re not ignorant. If you
know that you lack insight into the inner dimensions of how things work, you know that
you have blind spots. You can keep a wary eye open for any advantage that enables a
deeper insight or more profound sense of meaning. You have to learn to live with
incompleteness and use it as a motivating force rather than a point of desperation or
indifference.
“As far as where do we turn? That’s a hard question to answer. It’s the reason that all
the dramas have become packaged and sold via the media. The media is where most
people turn. They flick on their televisions, radios, computers, newspapers, magazines,
and even books, and these deliver the packets of information bundled together by the
media. The media know very well that people are ignorant—enough so that they lack
the ability to discern the incompleteness of the information packets they serve to their
customers. Information is incomplete, and this drowns our population in ignorance,
which enables manipulation.”
Sarah: “By whom?”
Dr. Neruda: “Sarah, no one entity is the master manipulator, if that’s what you’re
asking. It’s more like everyone in the media manipulates information and disclosure. It’s
all part of the drama that causes people to turn to the media for their answers, and
citizens are responsible for this state of affairs because they don’t demand that their
educational centers secure clear, full disclosures of information and distribute it to the
public domain.”
Sarah: “Are you saying that our schools and universities should be the stewards of this
information, and not the media?”
Dr. Neruda: “In the ideal world, yes. This is how the Corteum designed their
information structures. The educational centers dominate the distribution of
information through a collective and well-reasoned system of journalism. The
journalists are specialists across the disciplines of theology, the arts and sciences,
government, business, and technology. These journalists document the best practices
of each and every discipline and share this information through full disclosure. Nothing
is left out. The research is meticulous and completely untouched by the political
spectrum of special interests.”
Sarah: “Okay, being a journalist myself, we’ve finally hit on a topic I know something
about. When I was a beat reporter, I never felt the hand of politics influencing how or
what I reported. I know at the national level—particularly reporting in D.C.—that might
not be entirely the case, but the stories we’ve been talking about the past few nights
weren’t even on my radar screen. That’s the real problem. These stories are completely
secreted away. And given that our politicians don’t even know about the existence of
the ACIO and all of the other things affiliated with it, how can you blame the politicians,
or the media for that matter?”
Dr. Neruda: “I didn’t intend to blame anyone, really. The system is imperfect. Anyone
involved in the system knows that it’s larger than life and can’t be changed by one
person or even one group of people. The media know their limits, and they know their
markets. People want to know the truth about the things that affect them in their
pocket book. The regions of cosmology, ETs, the ACIO, and things that go bump in the
night are considered light reading to the masses—reserved for entertainment—not
serious news.”
Sarah: “This is anything but light news, and you know it. Why do you sound so cynical?”
Dr. Neruda: “If I’m cynical about the media, it’s not for you to take personally. I’m of a
mind that the media will not change significantly until the education system changes
significantly and produces students that demand more than news dramas, sports, and
weather.”
Sarah: “So our schools should not only produce students with an appetite for
cosmology, but they should also produce the news? Pretty tall orders for schools don’t
you think?”
Dr. Neruda: “Perhaps, but it’s what’s needed before the ACIO or any related
organization would share its knowledge with the masses.”
Sarah: “And why’s that?”
Dr. Neruda: “Academia would absolutely be turned on its head if the ACIO stepped
forward and provided its research findings, technologies, and evidence of ET
interactions. It would be attacked. And it would be a vicious attack. At least that was
Fifteen’s intractable conclusion. The ACIO, therefore, had no other way to bring its
findings to the public than through the private sector and the alliances it had with the
NSA’s Special Projects Laboratory.”
Sarah: “Give me an example of something—a technology or discovery—that was first

uncovered by the ACIO and then exported to the private sector.”
Dr. Neruda: “The transistor would be a good example—”
Sarah: “You’re telling me that the ACIO invented the transistor?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, Bell Labs invented the transistor, but the ACIO worked with Bell Labs,
or more specifically, Mervin Kelly who ran its operations in the mid-1950s. Mr. Kelly had
attached a rather brilliant physicist to this project by the name of Bill Shockley who
became aware of the outermost edges of the ACIO.”
Sarah: “How’d that happen?”
Dr. Neruda: “A little known fact: Mr. Shockley, working with a friend of his, invented the
world’s first nuclear reactor. The defense department heard about it through Mr. Kelly,
and wanted it badly. This was before the Manhattan Project got underway. Mr. Kelly
wanted a patent for the discovery, but the government threw up every conceivable
roadblock. They kept the whole discovery under complete confidentiality and
negotiated to have one of our scientists work with Mr. Shockley in secret.”
Sarah: “When was this?”
Dr. Neruda: “This was happening in 1944 and 1945.”
Sarah: “Why did our government squabble about the patents?”
Dr. Neruda: “They knew Mr. Shockley could play a role in the war, and they wanted to
use this as leverage to secure his commitment to help. He was a difficult man to work
with, so I was told. He never stepped forward and volunteered to do anything unless he
knew it would somehow benefit him. So, our government held the patents up until he
would enlist.”
Sarah: “And did he?”
Sarah: “And how did it benefit him?”
Dr. Neruda: “There was, within our government, a newly formed intelligence agency—it
was the forerunner of the NSA. It was known as the General Services Special Projects
Laboratory, and to this day, very little is known about it. The SPL was later folded into
the NSA in 1953 as an unacknowledged department, and ultimately the ACIO was
folded into the SPL as an unacknowledged research laboratory. So, the ACIO was two
levels deep or what is called, Black Root.”
Sarah: “What was the motivation for all the security? The war?”
Dr. Neruda: “It may surprise you, but the war wasn’t of great concern to the forces that
the ACIO were dealing with. The concern was ETs and who would be able to first utilize
their technology in military applications. In the early 1940s, UFO sightings were quite
common—even more so than today. And our government was convinced that these
sightings were real and that they were indeed off-planetary forces. They wanted two
things: Steal the technology from downed spacecraft, or establish an alliance. They
weren’t too particular about which way it happened.”
Sarah: “But how did all of this pertain to Shockley?”
Dr. Neruda: “I got off track a bit. Mr. Shockley was introduced to the SPL and was made
privy to many of the secret initiatives of the SPL. If not for his personality traits, he
would’ve been recruited to join the SPL, he was that brilliant. Anyway, he was given
access to some of the research in field effect transistors that was underway within the
SPL. This was before the Bell Labs’ discovery of the joint transistor, which was made by
colleagues of Mr. Shockley.
“Mr. Shockley was allowed to utilize some of the research within the SPL to create his
own version of the field effect transistor and become widely known as its inventor. This
was done in exchange for his cooperation in helping Army and Navy strategic
operations during the war. He was aware of the SPL and knew part of their agenda, and
I was told that he wanted to join the SPL after the war because of its superior
laboratories, but again, his personality traits prevented his admission.”
Sarah: “So, Bell Labs receives the patent for the transistor in exchange for Shockley’s
assistance with the war. What exactly did he do that was so important?”
Dr. Neruda: “I don’t know for certain, but in general, his role was helping to optimize
weapons deployment.”
Sarah: “What was the role of the NSA during all of this?”
Dr. Neruda: “The NSA wasn’t in existence until November 1952. During this time, the
SPL and ACIO were the two most advanced, secretive labs in existence. And they each
had only one private sector lab they worked with: Bell Labs. And this is because Mr.
Kelly was a friend with the executive director of the SPL.”
Sarah: “So what was the relationship between the SPL and ACIO?”
Dr. Neruda: “You mean in the 1940s?”
Sarah: “First, how far back does it go?”
Dr. Neruda: “The SPL was formed in 1938. There was a strong development—
particularly throughout Europe—in fission energy. The SPL was initially conceived to
examine fission as an alternative energy source as well as its possible military
applications.”
Sarah: “Why was it kept so secret?”
Dr. Neruda: “In the late 1930s there was significant political unrest in Europe, and the
U.S. wasn’t sure whom it could trust. It had a notion that fission was the answer to
superior technical warfare, and didn’t want to share it unwittingly. It was also alarmed
at some of the sudden advances that were taking place in the European physics
community, and felt it needed to concentrate some of its best resources to equip a
world-class laboratory, and staff it with some of the best minds of the planet.”
Sarah: “How could the best minds of the planet suddenly be plucked up by the U.S.
government and not be noticed by the scientific community? I mean, how do you keep
this a secret?”
Dr. Neruda: “They didn’t take established leaders in the field of physics. They sought
out the young, budding geniuses that were still relatively unknown, but under the right
guidance and with the best available technology, could produce something
extraordinary.”
Sarah: “Like the transistor?”
Dr. Neruda: “Like the transistor.”
Sarah: “So if the SPL was established in 1938, when did the ACIO come into existence?”
Dr. Neruda: “It was established in 1940 shortly after the SPL was organized.”
Sarah: “Why?”
Dr. Neruda: “First, in part, it was because management within the SPL feared discovery
by Congress. So they decided to construct Black Root, which was the codename of the
ACIO, in order to build a laboratory that was untouchable by political forces or the
media. Second, they didn’t want the research agenda of the SPL competing with ET
issues. When all of this first occurred, ETs and UFOs were still a subject of great debate
within the SPL. Most of the SPL leaders didn’t believe in them. There was no hard
evidence.
“But when the first spacecraft was found intact, it changed the minds of everyone within
the SPL and it was decided that a separate research agenda needed to be developed,
and that it was the more urgent and secretive of the two labs. So, Black Root, or the
ACIO as it became known later, was established behind the SPL at a deeper level of
secrecy. It was unacknowledged two levels deep.”
Sarah: “Were you referring to the Roswell incident just then… about the recovered
spacecraft?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. This was an abandoned spacecraft found in waters off the coast of
Florida in 1940.”
Sarah: “It was just abandoned? Who found it?”
Dr. Neruda: “As the story goes, a recreational diver found it in waters about sixty feet
deep. It was perfectly preserved.”
Sarah: “Whatever happened to the diver?”
Dr. Neruda: “It was an anonymous tip given to the Navy. The person who discovered it
was never found. However, we later learned that the discovery was a staged event.”
Sarah: “A staged event?”
Dr. Neruda: “Meaning that the discovery was orchestrated by the Corteum.”
Sarah: “So this was a Corteum spacecraft left behind to be discovered by the Navy?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s how they chose to make first contact.”
Sarah: “By leaving behind one of their spacecraft in the ocean, and then calling our
Navy and telling them where to find it? Shit this is strange!”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but it took three calls to get someone to investigate according to the
log entries.”
Sarah: “Okay, so this is how the ACIO came about. When did you get involved?”
Dr. Neruda: “In 1956, my father discovered a damaged spacecraft in the jungles of
Bolivia during a hunting trip. It was a triangular vessel about seventy meters from end-
to-end, nearly equilateral. It included twenty-six crew. All dead.”
Sarah: “Corteum?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, this craft was later confirmed as a Zeta ship. It was on a scouting
mission similar to my father—hunting for animals. Unfortunately, it malfunctioned in
flight during an electrical storm. My father was an electronics dealer, mostly for the
Bolivian military.
Sarah: “I know you told me this story before, but please repeat yourself for the sake of
the record.”
Dr. Neruda: “My father recovered a specific technology from the ship, and then
contacted a military official within the Bolivian government that was a trusted friend.
Initially, my father was interested in selling the craft to the Bolivian military, but it
quickly became a concern of the U.S. military—specifically the SPL. A director from the
SPL met with my father, ascertained the ship’s location, and performed a complete
salvage operation in the span of three days.
“This was done in exchange for U.S. citizenship and a role within the SPL for my father.”
Sarah: “Why did your father negotiate for this instead of money?”
Dr. Neruda: “He knew it was the only way to preserve my life and his. He retained
control of a navigational technology that was aboard the ship, and turned everything
else over to the SPL.”
Sarah: “And what about the Bolivian government?”
Dr. Neruda: “They were handsomely paid.”
Sarah: “That’s it?”
Dr. Neruda: “In the seven years between 1952 and 1959, six additional spacecraft were
found under similar circumstances as in the case of my father. Only one of these was
found in U.S. territory. The other five were willingly handed over to our military in
exchange for money.”
Sarah: “I take it these countries didn’t want to deal with the political implications?”
Dr. Neruda: “That, but they also wanted the money and a friendly alignment with the
U.S. military. They saw future benefits in the form of shared technologies, military
protection, loans, and many other intangible benefits. In short, it was smart politics.
Besides, no other country, outside of the Soviet Union, had any laboratories like the
ACIO. What would they do with these spacecrafts?”
Sarah: “Your father and you end up in the United States… what qualified him for
admission into the SPL and what did he do there?”
Dr. Neruda: “My father was not simply a salesman to the Bolivian government, he was
an electronics expert with the equivalent of an advanced electrical engineering degree.
He had several patents to his credit, but was considered something of a dreamer and a
lost soul I suppose.”
Sarah: “Is he still alive?”
Dr. Neruda: “No.”
Sarah: “I’m sorry. What about the rest of your family? Was it just you and your father
that came to America?”
Dr. Neruda: “I was an only child. My mother died shortly after I was born. I was only
four years old when we came to the States. I really don’t have strong memories of my
home in Sorata.”
Sarah: “Where’s Sorata?”
Dr. Neruda: “North of La Paz, on the east end of Lake Titicaca.”
Sarah: “Maybe I’ve watched too many episodes of the X-Files, but it seems a little hard
to believe that your father could negotiate a job and U.S. citizenship with the SPL. Can
you explain how he did that?”
Dr. Neruda: “He asked. It wasn’t such a hard thing. Here’s a man that speaks perfect
English, knows electronics, and has some political clout. More importantly, he led the
SPL to a very important discovery, worth billions of dollars in research and
development. And, my father was smart enough to photograph the craft and secure
electronic components that pertained to navigation. He had these carefully secured
with instructions for their distribution should anything befall him or me.”
Sarah: “Don’t take this the wrong way, but didn’t you say that only young geniuses were
hired into the ACIO? I assume your father didn’t qualify.”
Dr. Neruda: “No, he wasn’t a genius. But he was smart enough to add value to some of
the reverse engineering experiments that were ongoing within the ACIO—especially
those that pertained to semiconductors.”
Sarah: “And all of this was happening in the mid-fifties?”
Sarah: “Was Fifteen there at the time?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. He joined the ACIO in the spring of 1958.”
Sarah: “So he knew your father?”
Dr. Neruda: “My father, believe it or not, became a high-level director of the ACIO
toward the latter part of his tenure, thanks largely to Fifteen, who took an immediate
liking to my father. Remember Fifteen is Spanish. My father knew Fifteen as well as
anyone, and had the utmost respect for him.”
Sarah: “Was your father part of the Labyrinth Group?”
Sarah: “When did you find out about the Labyrinth Group and its mission?”
Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen introduced me to it in a meeting I’ll never forget.”
Sarah: “What time was this?”
Dr. Neruda: “September 18, 1989.”
Sarah: “What happened?”
Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen showed me a suite of technologies that had been part of a TTP
(Technology Transfer Program) with the Corteum. He explained it activated parts of the
brain that fused the unconscious data stream with the conscious. It enabled a much
more potent flow of data to be captured by the conscious mind.”
Sarah: “Can you explain how it works?”
Dr. Neruda: “I’ll do my best, but it’s a technical explanation. I don’t know any other way
to do it.”
Sarah: “Try. I’ll signal when I’m lost.”
Dr. Neruda: “There’s a part of the brain known as thalamocortical system. The Corteum
technology activated this specific section of the brain, inducing a small functional cluster
within this system to expand the higher-order consciousness. These are the neural
coordinates of consciousness, pertaining to higher order reasoning, which is very useful

to scientific inquiry, mathematics, and general problem solving.
“Yes?”
Sarah: “I’m not totally lost. But what’s the role of this technology to the Labyrinth
Group?”
Dr. Neruda: “When Fifteen first became acquainted with the Corteum TTP he was the
first to use this technology on his own brain—”
Sarah: “Yes, I remember now. He got the vision of BST shortly afterwards. Right?”
Sarah: “And this was why he established the Labyrinth Group, to pursue the
development of BST. Right?”
Sarah: “So, everyone who was handpicked by Fifteen got to use this Corteum
technology and everyone got smarter as a result. And no one outside the Labyrinth
Group suspected that the Labyrinth Group existed?”
Dr. Neruda: “No one to my knowledge.”
Sarah: “Okay, back to your story with Fifteen. What happened?”
Dr. Neruda: “Everyone who knew anything about Fifteen knew he was intensely
interested in time travel, but I had no idea as to the degree of his intensity until that
day. He explained the physics behind his BST plan and how the Corteum played a vital
role in its development. He wanted to reassign me to a new project that was related to
BST development, and when he explained the nature of the project, I shook my head in
disbelief that he felt I could do the job.”
Sarah: “What was it?”
Dr. Neruda: “It was a project that involved designing and developing an advanced
neuronal selection technology for the human brain; a subject that I knew very little
about. I raised this objection, but Fifteen explained that no one else did either, so it was
just as well that I undertook the research. And then he casually explained the Corteum
technology for brain enhancement. This was when he told me how all personnel with a
security clearance of twelve were invited to undergo the process.”
Sarah: “I assume everyone accepted the invitation.”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s a safe assumption, although there are some drawbacks to the
technology.”
Sarah: “Like?”
Dr. Neruda: “The information capacity of the conscious mind is very limited. When you
intensify the connection between the conscious and unconscious, the conscious mind
rejects the data stream’s breadth of information and tends to become observational of
the alternative states of consciousness. In other words, the brain enhancement process
triggers a rapid and fluid shifting between states of consciousness, not unlike a slide
show in fast motion with each slide representing a different state of consciousness.”
Sarah: “I think I follow you, but isn’t it worth it if you can control this side effect?”
Dr. Neruda: “I thought so, as did everyone else. There were some that were more
affected by this than others, and typically it only lasted for a few weeks until the higher
mind began to integrate this into its dynamic core.”
Sarah: “Okay, enough about the brain, I’d like to return to the topic of the Labyrinth
Group. You mentioned in the first interview that this is the most secret of all the
organizations on the planet, even though it’s one of the most influential. How does it
operate in secrecy and yet exert its influence?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Labyrinth Group is a subset of the ACIO that’s absolutely secret. Its
main purpose was to create a staging organization for the pure-state technologies that
were part of the TTPs that Fifteen negotiated with the Zetas and Corteum. Fifteen didn’t
want these technologies within the ACIO where they were within striking distance of the
SPL and potentially the NSA. He wanted to be able to review, analyze, and synthesize
these new technologies before he figured out how to dilute them into less powerful
technologies that could be exported to the SPL or the private syndicates we worked
with.
“We used the best security technologies in existence. By that, I mean that we could
secure our technologies from any hostile force. This enabled the Labyrinth Group
personnel to focus on applications of these pure state technologies for the
advancement of our BST agenda.
“Our influence is not understood by anyone because we’ve managed to release these
diluted technologies into behind-the-scenes technologies that are used by our military,
the NSA, DARPA, and private syndicates of our own choosing.”
Sarah: “I thought you said you even work with private industry?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Labyrinth Group doesn’t work directly with the private sector. But
some of our technologies filter into the private sector.”
Sarah: “Like the transistor?””
Dr. Neruda: “No, actually the field effect transistor was more the development of the
SPL.”
Sarah: “Then give me an example of something more recent that involved the Labyrinth
Group and the private sector. Something I might be aware of.”
Dr. Neruda: “I can’t think of anything that would be known to you at this time. Our
technologies don’t appear on the cover of Newsweek or Time.”
Sarah: “I just want to get some information that I can validate later. The transistor story,
while interesting, doesn’t give me anything I can follow-up on. I doubt Shockley’s still
alive. Is he?”
Dr. Neruda: “First of all, if he were alive, he’d never divulge the influence of the SPL in
his research. Second, he died about eight years ago.”
Sarah: “So what can you share with me that corroborates—even to a tiny degree—that
the Labyrinth Group might exist?”
Dr. Neruda: “Nothing. There’s nothing you could do to trace things back to the
Labyrinth Group. I can’t stress it enough. Our ways of filtering technologies into the
private sector are extremely subtle.”
Sarah: “Okay, then. Just give me an example.”
Dr. Neruda: “The Labyrinth Group developed a computer system, which we call ZEMI.
Part of the unique characteristics of ZEMI is that its information structure is based on a
new form of mathematics for information storage, recombinant encryption, and data
compression. It was a mathematics that provided quantum improvements in each of
these areas. And we shared it with scientists involved in the design of the MiG-29.”
Sarah: “Russia? Are you saying the Labyrinth Group works with the Russian
government?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, we never worked with governments directly. In this case, we worked
with the Phazotron Research and Production Company in Moscow. We supplied them
with an assortment of algorithms, which they in turn adapted for use within their
information and fire control radar systems aboard the MiG-29. These same algorithms
were discovered by American interests and are now being adapted for use in
broadband delivery systems for the global market.”
Sarah: “Who’s the American interest? Can you give me names?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s not a well-known company, but they go under the name of Omnigon,
based in San Diego.”
Sarah: “And Omnigon has this technology, which was originally developed by the
Labyrinth Group for computer storage, and now they’re using it to build broadband
delivery systems? In layperson’s terms, can you tell me what these networks will do?”
Dr. Neruda: “Assuming they use this technology appropriately, it’ll enable Omnigon to
embed a significant amount of functionality in the switches of the ATM network and not
rely on server-side solutions, which will increase the speed and custom functionality of
a network.”
Sarah: “By my definition, that wasn’t in layperson terms. But it doesn’t matter.
“Did the Labyrinth Group create this technology or reverse-engineer it from ET

sources?”
Dr. Neruda: “A little of both, actually. They were created within the Labyrinth Group,
but some of the initial thinking came from the Zetas, which was reverse engineered
from one of their spacecraft.”
Sarah: “How did the organization in Russia get this technology from the Labyrinth
Group?”
Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen knew one of the senior scientists at Phazotron and presented him
with the idea. It was a friendly gesture, which he believed would later be useful in
recruiting this scientist. This method of sharing creates loyalty and it can be done in
such a skillful way that the recipient of the idea can believe it was their idea and not
simply given to them.”
Sarah: “But you must track these technologies or how else would you know it ended up
in Omnigon’s hands?”
Dr. Neruda: “We have operatives from the intelligence community who feed us
information. They’re essentially moles that live within the major government research
labs and the military industrial complex. In this case, one of our operatives at General
Dynamics brought this to our attention. We even use our Remote Viewing technology to
track some of our more advanced technologies that we’ve placed within major
syndicates.”
Sarah: “Maybe we should leave off there. I know you’d prefer to keep these sessions
brief, although I’m very tempted to plunge into this topic of syndicates.
“Is there anything you’d like to add before we call it a night?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, not really. I think we covered a lot of information tonight about my
personal philosophy, and for what it’s worth, I’d like to remind you that it was my
philosophy. I’m not trying to press it on anyone. And I’m certainly not trying to preach a
particular message or lifestyle. I would hope that in our next session, with your help, we
could concentrate on the WingMakers and perhaps minimize my personal views on
cosmology and the like.”
Sarah: “I’ll try, but I can’t make any promises. I had a complete list of questions to ask
you tonight about the WingMakers, but somewhere along the way I thought it would be
interesting to better understand how you think. I’ll try my best tomorrow night to keep
on the subject of the WingMakers. Do you have any suggestions?”
Dr. Neruda: “I think the artifacts are extremely interesting, so I’d recommend that we
focus on that topic.”
Sarah: “I’ll do my best. Thank you.”
Dr. Neruda: “You’re very welcome, Sarah. Thank you as well.”
End of session three.
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Sarah: “Good evening, Dr. Neruda. Are you ready?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, I’m ready when you are.”

Sarah: “So what’s the biggest obstacle to success?”

Sarah: “Can you explain this in lay terms?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s an extremely difficult technology to develop—defining the optimal

Sarah: “Are you talking about karma?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s one of the main reasons I defected.”

Sarah: “How do you mean that?”

Sarah: “And what’s the nature of these sources?”

Sarah: “This being the text that literally disappeared?”

Sarah: “Anything else?”

Sarah: “How? When?”

Dr. Neruda: “Correct.”

Sarah: “And what did this channeled entity say?”

Sarah: “And by technology, it meant BST?”

Dr. Neruda: “That was my interpretation.”

Sarah: “So you trust this Samantha?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, it was a primary factor.”

Sarah: “Can you elaborate on this a bit?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “Correct.”

Sarah: “Are these the same as angels?”

Dr. Neruda: “Correct.”

Sarah: “The motion of the being?”

Sarah: “And the internal compass is?”

Sarah: “I have this feeling that this topic could go on forever.”

Sarah: “You mean as a percentage?”

Dr. Neruda: “Try to estimate.”

Dr. Neruda: “No. Every causal decision was.”

Sarah: “Is this according to the Corteum, too?”

Sarah: “I assume you’re talking about soul?”

Sarah: “What do you mean by the term membrane?”

Dr. Neruda: “The multiverse is a collection of reality membranes, clustered together in

Sarah: “Do you remember any of your previous incarnations?”

Dr. Neruda: “Previous is a relative term. I prefer to think of my incarnations not so

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t have any idea.”

Sarah: “Okay, give me a second to review my notes… because I want to go back to

Dr. Neruda: “How do you mean that?”

Dr. Neruda: “Make this assumption and then answer my question.”

Sarah: “Could you be a bit more specific?”

“Complexity works in a similar manner with consciousness, it facets human experience

Sarah: “Okay, so is it related to the age of the formless consciousness?”

Sarah: “It’s an interesting philosophy. We can be as selfish as we desire, and leave it up

Sarah: “Why? I thought you said everything was.”

Sarah: “And they can’t be trusted because?”

Sarah: “How did this happen?”

Dr. Neruda: “What?”

Sarah: “That the Animus became an independent race unconnected to God?”

Dr. Neruda: “You’ve heard the story of the fallen angels?”

Sarah: “You’re talking about the Lucifer rebellion?”

Dr. Neruda: “Correct.

“This matter underwent a tremendous debate, ultimately forming a division between

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “The planet is in a galaxy known as M51 to your scientists.”

Sarah: “This is the same galaxy of the Animus?”