Property talk:P724
Documentation
identifier for an item on Internet Archive
Description | The Internet Archive (Q461) is a non-profit digital library that provides permanent storage of and free public access to collections of digitized materials. | ||||||||||||
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Associated item | Internet Archive (Q461) | ||||||||||||
Applicable "stated in" value | Internet Archive (Q461) | ||||||||||||
Data type | External identifier | ||||||||||||
Corresponding template | Template:Internet Archive film (Q10982469), Template:Internet Archive book (Q26071229), Template:Wayback (Q10972291), Template:Internet Archive (Q14373466) | ||||||||||||
Domain | According to this template:
published works
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsfilm (Q11424), video game (Q7889), computer (Q68), video game console (Q8076), annual collection (Q19816504), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), audio track (Q7302866), release group (Q108346082), scholarly article (Q13442814), sound recording process (Q5057302), computer hardware (Q3966), product model (Q10929058), publication (Q732577), collection of articles (Q17518557), compilation (Q1614239), creative work (Q17537576), event (Q1656682), musical release (Q2031291), written work (Q47461344), organization (Q43229), user guide (Q1057179) or YouTube video (Q63412991) | ||||||||||||
Allowed values | [0-9A-Za-z@][0-9A-Za-z\._-]{0,99} | ||||||||||||
Example | According to this template:
Frankenstein, or, The modern Prometheus (1831) <Internet Archive identifier> ghostseer01schiuoft
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsFrankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus (Q51613242) → ghostseer01schiuoft VisiCalc (Q725401) → VisiCalc_1979_SoftwareArts The Birth of a Nation (Q220394) → dw_griffith_birth_of_a_nation Variety (Q471728) → pub_variety | ||||||||||||
Formatter URL | https://archive.org/details/$1 https://archive.org/download/$1/$1_archive_marc.xml https://archive.org/download/$1/$1_meta.xml https://archive.org/download/$1/$1_meta.mrc https://archive.org/metadata/$1 https://archive.org/services/img/$1 | ||||||||||||
Embed URL | https://archive.org/embed/$1 | ||||||||||||
Tracking: same | no label (Q32038457) | ||||||||||||
Tracking: differences | no label (Q32038421) | ||||||||||||
Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P724 (Q32038403) | ||||||||||||
Tracking: local yes, WD no | no label (Q32038441) | ||||||||||||
See also | Google Books ID (P675), BHL bibliography ID (P4327), Issuu ID (P9921), newspaper archive URL (P7213), Open Library ID (P648), HathiTrust ID (P1844) | ||||||||||||
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Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
Current uses |
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Search for values |
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
[0-9A-Za-z@][0-9A-Za-z\._-]{0,99}
”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#Format, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#Type Q11424, Q7889, Q68, Q8076, Q19816504, Q3331189, Q7302866, Q108346082, Q13442814, Q5057302, Q3966, Q10929058, Q732577, Q17518557, Q1614239, Q17537576, Q1656682, Q2031291, Q47461344, Q43229, Q1057179, Q63412991, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P724#Scope, SPARQL
This property is being used by: Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.) |
ARK
[edit]Why aren't we using the ARK, e.g. ark:/13960/t48p5w670? That's the only identifier supposed to be permanent, as far as I know. --Nemo 09:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- Probably because with the current identifier it is possible to create a link to the webpage. Snipre (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
- Though we can, of course, use both. you should propose a property for ARK. Filceolaire (talk) 13:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- The problem with ARKs is that you will be creating a new identifier for the book that no one else knows about - so it won't be initially useful for sharing, until others incorporate YOUR ARK into their data. There is not reason NOT to mint an ARK, but it only makes sense if there is a strategy to proliferate it to other book resources. And AFAIK the ARK is no more or less permanent than other identifiers, like DOIs or handles or ISBNs. It is dependent on the services that resolve it, as are other identifiers. Kcoyle (talk) 00:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, of course I mean the only permanent archive.org internal identifier. The item identifier is even less meaningful, externally. I don't know if a direct link is really needed (and if it is they probably have some service to redirect quickly), but linking with the ARK is very easy: [1]. --Nemo 09:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Drop the single value constraint (Q19474404)?
[edit]Should we drop the single-value constraint (Q19474404)? The ID isn't really unique. Currently 139 violations here of which I do not know if they are actually mistakes. A wild example with cases where two values were totally justified can be found at de:s:Ausführliches Lexikon der griechischen und römischen Mythologie. @Multichill: as the creator of the constraint. --Marsupium (talk) 15:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- Withdrawn Oh, I've just found out about separator (P4155), added it and withdraw this proposal. Best regards, --Marsupium (talk) 15:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- For some books, there seem to be plenty of scanned exemplars at IA and I don't really see an advantage of including some, but not others. When pages are missing in one, it can help having another one to check. --- Jura 11:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- I think having the single value constraint implies something about the Internet Archive identifier that is not true. What I have found in practice is that IA identifiers can correspond to multiple things, including both a scanned batch of pages encompassing many books and an individual book in that batch. Both identifiers of "00bori" and "books_neverscan_session_005" correspond to the edition via common ISBNs. So to say as a rule that IA identifiers have a single value constraint seems false as there are many exceptions to the rule that are not just one-off flukes. Harej (talk) 22:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Complete Google Books ID (P675)
[edit]See Wikidata:Bot_requests#Complete_Google_Books_ID_(P675)_from_Internet_Archive_ID_(P724). --- Jura 08:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Title page
[edit]Many books open at the title page on Internet Archive. Where is this stored? It's info that's generally missing at files imported to Commons. We are discussing at Commons how to use properties to improve the situation there (see c:Template_talk:Book). @Jarekt: --- Jura 08:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- If there is such information at Internet Archive we should try to scrape it and add it to individual files using SDC title page number (P4714) property. --Jarekt (talk) 12:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- The other day, I came across a file format at IA that included only page pagination info. If present, that might work for this. --- Jura 17:19, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Constraints on suitable articles should be removed
[edit]As the Internet Archive is set up to to store all kinds of information, it seems unwise to have a type constraint on the items it can be used on. Already the list is long, and to cover all options will need to be much longer, for example event (Q1656682) which often have documentation, whether it be programmes, proceedings or flyers. Vicarage (talk) 14:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Event added to allowed classes. Vicarage (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- orgranisation added, but I still can't see why there is any restriction, Vicarage (talk) 16:54, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
inventory number
[edit]I added inventory number (P217) to the list of allowed properties... the intention is to use it in combination with collection (P195) to store the library call number (barcode, not shelf number) of the specific physical object that the scan was of. This is sometimes in the Internet Archive metadata, but is usually visible in the scan itself. The point is to connect various scans of the same physical book, to aid in then deconvolving scans of different editions that are intermingled under the same library database entry. The Library of Congress is a particular source of this.... if a "later copy" received by the Library only differed in date and/or publisher, but wasn't explicitly a "new edition", they just catalog it under the original as a second copy with no other indication it's not the same.
The World Factbook 1982 (Q19102705) is an example where it's helpful.... the single physical copy at the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign (30112071778804) has 2 scans on HathiTrust (one from Google, one from the Internet Archive, with different Handle IDs) that are both also available on Google Books (with 2 more IDs), as well as two duplicate copies at the Internet Archive (with 2 different Internet Archive IDs, and two different ARKs), and well as a scan by the Open Content Alliance (with another Handle ID), making a total of 8 different identifiers all pointing at scans of the same physical book. That's on top of the 3 other HathiTrust libraries with scanned copies. Jarnsax (talk) 00:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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