Property talk:P7902/Archive 2
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Obtaining a list of all GND IDs in DtBio
Property:P7902#P4876 currently has as the preferred statement: 825,319, 31 May 2021, reference URL http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=1&wt=csv . Observations:
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=1&wt=csv : one record
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=100000&wt=csv : 100 000 records
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=1000000&wt=csv : error HTTP 500
Is there any way to obtain a list of all GND IDs? The beacon at https://www.historische-kommission-muenchen-editionen.de/beacon_dtbio_gesamt.txt has "#TIMESTAMP: 2018-09-05", i.e. of no use for checking if a given GND ID exists in DtBio as a preferred GND ID.
Maybe there is a way to retrieve the records in several batches, but http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/about/#solropen doesn't even contain one of the strings "sort" or "order". HumanAFuser (talk) 08:44, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
I found a way to sort, so one could obtain it in four batches:
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=250000&wt=csv&sort=defgnd%20asc
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=250000&wt=csv&sort=defgnd%20asc&start=250000
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=250000&wt=csv&sort=defgnd%20asc&start=500000
- http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/beta/solr-open/?q=defgnd:*&fl=defgnd&rows=250000&wt=csv&sort=defgnd%20asc&start=750000
Sorting should prevent random order, which could lead to records not contained in any batch. HumanAFuser (talk) 09:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
3310 IDs in WD but not in DtBio source as preferred ID
I dump them here, no idea yet how to remove. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21, Epìdosis: I removed one [1], can you confirm that https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd100399444.html returns "Fehler Seite nicht gefunden"? HumanAFuser (talk) 12:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- I confirm. Removal of the IDs below can be done through QuickStatements, I think. --Epìdosis 12:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Can you split the list? Some IDs are redirects. I would like to check these cases. But the other IDs? Wrong import? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: I cannot detect what a redirect is. I am currently adding new DtBio IDs based on P227. If P227 is well maintained, then removal of all 3310 IDs should not result in any connection to DtBio be lost. Since DtBio is an aggregator, it could be that some sources disappeared and the item was then removed or not added anymore during re-build of the dataset. HumanAFuser (talk) 01:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: Property_talk:P227#Bot_for_resolving_redirects - if a bot could resolve GND redirects that would help. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Can you split the list? Some IDs are redirects. I would like to check these cases. But the other IDs? Wrong import? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- I confirm. Removal of the IDs below can be done through QuickStatements, I think. --Epìdosis 12:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: could a programmer look up these 3310 IDs in GND LDS (linked data service) and determine which are redirects? Those that are not redirects could be directly deleted, those that are redirects could be replaced. HumanAFuser (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Of course it could be done by a programmer, but unfortunately I'm not a programmer :( --Epìdosis 13:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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219108 IDs not in WD
HumanAFuser (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Interessant – was ist die Basis? Sprich: Geht es um alle Personen oder nur um Personen, die bereits ein Wikidata-Item haben? --Emu (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Emu, Kolja21: That is all IDs that fall under the definition of P7902 but are not in WD. Whether they have an item already is not known by me. I downloaded all DtBio IDs, added ca. 18000 of them where the GND ID already existed in P227, then I compared all IDs I downloaded from them with all IDs stored in WD (P7902). If GND P227 would be 100% synced with WD humans, then the not-redirects-in-GND-DB among the 219108 would not have an item yet in WD. So, one could use the 219108 to query the GND LDS and then decide if they should be created in WD as new items. One should maybe only take items that have a VIAF in LDS and where the VIAF ID is not in WD and the VIAF cluster does contain a link to WD. Ideally all GND humans would be in WD and DNB would fix all bugs a bit faster. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: It might be a good idea to start with a sample of, say, 2000 randomly chosen identifiers. They should be compared against Wikidata to match pre-existing items and evaluated in regard of the amount of information they provide (using OpenRefine springs to mind). I’m a bit wary about mass imports of people from GND – we still haven’t really digested the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range. But if done properly, there might be many benefits. The question is, how should we proceed? Should we each try to match and evaluate a random sample in the next week or two and then evaluate our findings and devise a plan for future endevours? --Emu (talk) 17:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Not so sure about your list – I’ve tested it and it seems that quite a few on the list do have a GND ID (P227) and even a Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) identifier (often inserted by you). More than 50% have neither date of birth nor date of birth in GND. Looks like a rather arduous project … --Emu (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: can you explain 1) "we still haven’t really digested the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range" and 2) "I’ve tested it and it seems that quite a few on the list do have a GND ID (P227) and even a Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) identifier (often inserted by you)?" And note that I wrote "So, one could use the 219108 to query the GND LDS and then decide if they should be created in WD as new items" - I didn't suggest to use random IDs from the 219108 and to create items for them. HumanAFuser (talk) 21:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sure:
- About a year ago (mid-2020), a now indefinitely blocked user (blocked for sockpuppeting) created a large number of GND-based items. At the same time another large import (BLKÖ) was added. Because the items were created during that time, their item IDs mostly start with Q94… and Q95 …. The imports have their merits, but they are a mixed bag as a lot of items were created that had a limited number of statements, so a lot of polishing and merging has still to be done.
- GND 100260721 (Hieronymus Roth von Schreckenstein (Q55914689)) and GND 116327723 (Friedrich Rampold (Q100165817)) are on your list of missing items/identifiers but both have a GND ID (P227) and even a Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) identifier. (Those are just random examples.)
- --Emu (talk) 22:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think the picture by @Emu: describes very well the present situation. Personally I'm convinced, as you all say, that imports might have benefits but also tend to create relevant amount of backlog to be managed manually. In particular, regarding "the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range" I would point out the need of emptying https://w.wiki/3VzL (1494 items in the 94… and 95… range, as of now, having GND ID (P227) and also a VIAF ID (P214) whose value is also present in another item; sometimes the VIAF value in these items is simply wrong and should be substituted with one correct, while in other cases these items should be merged with preexisting ones). After the emptying of this list I think we can seriously make a reasoning on a new batch-import of some tens of thousands of items from GND having at least dates of birth/death and occupation, because it can be (complessively) highly beneficial for Wikidata. Good night :) --Epìdosis 22:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC) P.S. Two examples: wrong VIAF correction; merge with preexisting item
- (edit conflict)@Emu: re 1) what is the actual current problem with the items? I merged several (~400, Property_talk:P227/Duplicates#human went down to 6 items), it looked as if the BLKÖ-items didn't have sex/gender and didn't have GND ID when created, so causing several violations, but the items by indef blocked user had GND ID and sex/gender and VIAF and many more statements, added by Epìdosis following the initial creation. When GND IDs are added to other objects one can merge via Property_talk:P227/Duplicates#human and has the benefit of all the data derived from GND-based creations. re 2) I confirm that 100260721 is on an item and was in my list. Thank you! Either I made a mistake or SPARQL didn't gave correct results. May try again. List A : all preferred IDs in DtBio. List B : all 7902 in WD. List C : all human GND that have no P7902 (https://w.wiki/3VzN). A-B=D (all candidates) I then added D to C-items. Then calculated D-C. BTW: C is only humans, not non-humans (e.g. families), so my description wasn't correct, the 219108 may also contain non-humans, that have a GND ID in WD. HumanAFuser (talk) 22:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- It’s hard to tell what the current problem is as people use Wikidata in a lot of different ways and have very different needs when it comes to items and statements. But I can tell you what my current problem is: I do a lot of matching, both to online and offline reference works. Matching is easier for some items as they already exist due to mass imports – especially if they have a lot of statements, especially occupation (P106), full date of birth (P569) and date of death (P570), place of birth (P19) and place of death (P20). But items with few statements don’t save work, they create even more work as I have to find out who this GND is supposed to be about, if there are duplicates within GND or Wikidata, etc. In many cases it would be easier the other way around, i.e. creating new items and then matching GND on them.
- Anyway, I’m not really convinced that it should be a goal to import all GND ID (P227) or even Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) items into Wikidata with all their various imperfections and duplicates. Importing them on a case-by-case basis once we need them for some reason or the other might prove to be a better strategy. --Emu (talk) 23:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: you wrote "we still haven’t really digested the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range.", I asked to explain, then you explained how they were created, but didn't explain the problem. Please explain what the current problem with these items is, and when you will consider them "fully digested". Re: "Anyway, I’m not really convinced that it should be a goal to import all GND ID (P227) or even Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) items into Wikidata with all their various imperfections and duplicates." - but matching would be easier, because there is more data. Re "But items with few statements don’t save work, they create even more work as I have to find out who this GND is supposed to be about" - that has nothing to do with the item being in WD or not. Ignore it if you like, or if you want to be complete with one item, you have to look it up in GND too. HumanAFuser (talk) 01:39, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: I tried to explain but I will try again:
- “Please explain what the current problem with these items is …”: Creating items without a specific need is only useful if those items are readily usable. For items about people this generally means the inclusion of statements like occupation (P106), full date of birth (P569) and date of death (P570), place of birth (P19) and place of death (P20), proper labels and descriptions in at least one language. The 94/95 items sometimes consist of little more than a label, a GND link and only few statements. That’s a problem because it’s sometimes actually more work to use them than to create new items.
- “… and when you will consider them "fully digested"” They will be fully integrated (in the sense of fully usable) after adding a bunch of statements, some duplicate control and feedback to the DNB. So probably not in the next years, probably never, as we lack the necessary number of users.
- “but matching would be easier, because there is more data” Well, no, the existence of items can actually be a hurdle for matching, see above. Believe me, I’ve done quite some matching over the last year.
- “that has nothing to do with the item being in WD or not. Ignore it if you like, or if you want to be complete with one item, you have to look it up in GND too.” That might be true in theory, but in reality, it’s much easier to find the proper GND after the person is clear than to try to make sense of a Wikidata item with very little information. Again, this opinion of mine is based on many, many hours of matching. That might be a limited point of view but at least it’s based on some empirical findings. Do you also have experience in matching or other activities that you could share so I understand your point of view better?
- --Emu (talk) 09:48, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu:, you still didn't say what the actual current problem with Q94/Q95 is. You wrote "Creating items without a specific need is only useful if those items are readily usable." - did you define there was no specific need? And again, that is about the past. What is the current problem. Give an example. I am not religious, just telling "believe me" and telling that you worked a lot of time on this is not a rational argument. People can spend their whole life doing something, but that doesn't make what they say any more true than what others say. HumanAFuser (talk) 09:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: You might want to adjust your tone as I’m not on trial here. I have tried to explain the problems from my experience. You chose not to consider my objections valid points. Well, okay. But may I pose a different question to you: What would be the benefit of new mass-imports? I do understand that you think that full coverage of GND in Wikidata would be nifty but my question is: Why? --Emu (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: "You might want to adjust your tone as I’m not on trial here." your words are, that is science. You made it personal by saying "believe me". "You chose not to consider my objections valid points." - you chose to not explain in more detail what the actual problem is and when asked for at least one example, didn't provide one. "I do understand that you think that full coverage of GND in Wikidata would be nifty but my question is: Why?" - https://www.wikimedia.org/ : "Wikimedia is a global movement whose mission is to bring free educational content to the world." HumanAFuser (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- You do realize that I emphasized several times that needs are different and I even invited you to share your own experience, be it with matching of other areas of Wikidata? You did not. I asked you specifically what the benefit of mass imports from GND / Deutsche Bibliothek would be. You answered with a fairly broad mission statement without giving any specifics. I somehow doubt that any example would change your mind. --Emu (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- The mission statement is what IMO should guide the editors. But of course people can define their own missions. "I somehow doubt that any example would change your mind." - that is arrogant, well in line with your "believe me". Re experience - my reasoning isn't based on that, so I won't convolute the discussion with my "experience". HumanAFuser (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Duly noted that you don’t base your reasoning on experience. Please refrain from personal attacks. --Emu (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: the one dragging a fact based discussion into personal "experience" and "believe me", not bringing one example, talking about about history when asked for current problems... etc., i.e. not respecting the respecting basic rules of scientific reasoning writes "Duly noted" and asks for "Please refrain from personal attacks". Why? HumanAFuser (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Duly noted that you don’t base your reasoning on experience. Please refrain from personal attacks. --Emu (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- The mission statement is what IMO should guide the editors. But of course people can define their own missions. "I somehow doubt that any example would change your mind." - that is arrogant, well in line with your "believe me". Re experience - my reasoning isn't based on that, so I won't convolute the discussion with my "experience". HumanAFuser (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- You do realize that I emphasized several times that needs are different and I even invited you to share your own experience, be it with matching of other areas of Wikidata? You did not. I asked you specifically what the benefit of mass imports from GND / Deutsche Bibliothek would be. You answered with a fairly broad mission statement without giving any specifics. I somehow doubt that any example would change your mind. --Emu (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: "You might want to adjust your tone as I’m not on trial here." your words are, that is science. You made it personal by saying "believe me". "You chose not to consider my objections valid points." - you chose to not explain in more detail what the actual problem is and when asked for at least one example, didn't provide one. "I do understand that you think that full coverage of GND in Wikidata would be nifty but my question is: Why?" - https://www.wikimedia.org/ : "Wikimedia is a global movement whose mission is to bring free educational content to the world." HumanAFuser (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: You might want to adjust your tone as I’m not on trial here. I have tried to explain the problems from my experience. You chose not to consider my objections valid points. Well, okay. But may I pose a different question to you: What would be the benefit of new mass-imports? I do understand that you think that full coverage of GND in Wikidata would be nifty but my question is: Why? --Emu (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Of course people will spend a lot of time if they enter data manually into on database from another database [4]. HumanAFuser (talk) 10:13, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Item that only has P31 and identifiers, I added P21 [5]. "For items about people this generally means the inclusion of statements like occupation (P106), full date of birth (P569) and date of death (P570), place of birth (P19) and place of death (P20), proper labels and descriptions in at least one language." - fail? HumanAFuser (talk) 10:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don’t understand what you try to say. --Emu (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- This item doesn't fulfill the criteria you gave. Is it a fail, of no value? Or is the statement "For items about people this generally means ..." not applicable here? HumanAFuser (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- It wasn’t terribly useful in the state before I added information. --Emu (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: any proof? Or shall the reader just "believe" you? HumanAFuser (talk) 14:13, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- As I’ve said before: I find your tone totally inappropriate. --Emu (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: any proof? Or shall the reader just "believe" you? HumanAFuser (talk) 16:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- As I’ve said before: I find your tone totally inappropriate. --Emu (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: any proof? Or shall the reader just "believe" you? HumanAFuser (talk) 14:13, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- It wasn’t terribly useful in the state before I added information. --Emu (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- This item doesn't fulfill the criteria you gave. Is it a fail, of no value? Or is the statement "For items about people this generally means ..." not applicable here? HumanAFuser (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don’t understand what you try to say. --Emu (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu:, you still didn't say what the actual current problem with Q94/Q95 is. You wrote "Creating items without a specific need is only useful if those items are readily usable." - did you define there was no specific need? And again, that is about the past. What is the current problem. Give an example. I am not religious, just telling "believe me" and telling that you worked a lot of time on this is not a rational argument. People can spend their whole life doing something, but that doesn't make what they say any more true than what others say. HumanAFuser (talk) 09:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: I tried to explain but I will try again:
- @Emu: you wrote "we still haven’t really digested the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range.", I asked to explain, then you explained how they were created, but didn't explain the problem. Please explain what the current problem with these items is, and when you will consider them "fully digested". Re: "Anyway, I’m not really convinced that it should be a goal to import all GND ID (P227) or even Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) items into Wikidata with all their various imperfections and duplicates." - but matching would be easier, because there is more data. Re "But items with few statements don’t save work, they create even more work as I have to find out who this GND is supposed to be about" - that has nothing to do with the item being in WD or not. Ignore it if you like, or if you want to be complete with one item, you have to look it up in GND too. HumanAFuser (talk) 01:39, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sure:
- @Emu: can you explain 1) "we still haven’t really digested the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range" and 2) "I’ve tested it and it seems that quite a few on the list do have a GND ID (P227) and even a Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) identifier (often inserted by you)?" And note that I wrote "So, one could use the 219108 to query the GND LDS and then decide if they should be created in WD as new items" - I didn't suggest to use random IDs from the 219108 and to create items for them. HumanAFuser (talk) 21:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Not so sure about your list – I’ve tested it and it seems that quite a few on the list do have a GND ID (P227) and even a Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) identifier (often inserted by you). More than 50% have neither date of birth nor date of birth in GND. Looks like a rather arduous project … --Emu (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: It might be a good idea to start with a sample of, say, 2000 randomly chosen identifiers. They should be compared against Wikidata to match pre-existing items and evaluated in regard of the amount of information they provide (using OpenRefine springs to mind). I’m a bit wary about mass imports of people from GND – we still haven’t really digested the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range. But if done properly, there might be many benefits. The question is, how should we proceed? Should we each try to match and evaluate a random sample in the next week or two and then evaluate our findings and devise a plan for future endevours? --Emu (talk) 17:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Emu, Kolja21: That is all IDs that fall under the definition of P7902 but are not in WD. Whether they have an item already is not known by me. I downloaded all DtBio IDs, added ca. 18000 of them where the GND ID already existed in P227, then I compared all IDs I downloaded from them with all IDs stored in WD (P7902). If GND P227 would be 100% synced with WD humans, then the not-redirects-in-GND-DB among the 219108 would not have an item yet in WD. So, one could use the 219108 to query the GND LDS and then decide if they should be created in WD as new items. One should maybe only take items that have a VIAF in LDS and where the VIAF ID is not in WD and the VIAF cluster does contain a link to WD. Ideally all GND humans would be in WD and DNB would fix all bugs a bit faster. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
@Emu, Epìdosis: I opened https://w.wiki/3VzL and checked the first five lines, I also found a third user that created new items in that range [6]. I merged in each case [7]. The first item in each line missed the GND ID, otherwise it would have been done already during clean-up of Property_talk:P227/Duplicates#human. Cleaning this list is independent from creating new GND-based items, since the second item always has a GND ID already and no new item would be created for that GND ID. On top of that, it seems highly beneficial to have the Q9 items in this VIAF-duplicates-list, since with one merge operation one can enrich the older item very easily. HumanAFuser (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Resolving same VIAF ID on two WD items
user:Epìdosis wrote: "In particular, regarding "the massive influx in the 94… and 95… range" I would point out the need of emptying https://w.wiki/3VzL (1494 items in the 94… and 95… range, as of now, having GND ID (P227) and also a VIAF ID (P214) whose value is also present in another item; [...] --Epìdosis 22:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
The number is now down to 1391. 100+/day means in 14 days this should be almost over. HumanAFuser (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Very important work, thanks for doing this! --Epìdosis 13:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: 1274 HumanAFuser (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: 1191, i.e. 300 within 24h :-) HumanAFuser (talk) 20:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Now 1312 after addition of missing VIAFs by Bargioni. --Epìdosis 17:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: 1111, i.e. 200 less. HumanAFuser (talk) 15:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Now 1312 after addition of missing VIAFs by Bargioni. --Epìdosis 17:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Mini items - 5 statements
https://w.wiki/3WQv (less than 6, includes those <25 having 4 which are being worked on) : 14870 results in 24273 ms - these are not much richer, but may to a larger extent be GND Tp and have a VIAF ID. https://w.wiki/3WR8 - 802 have no VIAF. HumanAFuser (talk) 10:35, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
The first I tested is in VIAF [8] - it would really help if a bot/script could add VIAF to any P7902 or P227 where one can be found. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P7902#Item_P214 : 8018 HumanAFuser (talk) 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@Emu, Kolja21, Epìdosis: 14075 of these have no given name - https://w.wiki/3WUj. Seems one could lift these 5-statement-items to 6-statements-level. Any tool chain for this? HumanAFuser (talk) 14:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: update:
- https://w.wiki/3WQv - humans less than 6 statements : 11912 results in 14259 ms, of these:
- https://w.wiki/3YEP - 11774 no given name
- https://w.wiki/3WR8 - 145 no VIAF - contains several items that are already deleted, I will list the others in the section "Tn-only items" above
- https://w.wiki/3YES - 0 with VIAF and given name
- total of sub groups : 11919
unknown reason for difference 11919-11912=7. HumanAFuser (talk) 06:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
DtBio deleting Tn
Today I got information, that DtBio is in process of deleting Tn. I don't know yet, if each Tn. HumanAFuser (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Two of the Tn-URLs mentioned in other sections on the page:
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd105324000.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd104905379.html
are now deleted from DtBio. @Epìdosis, Emu, Kolja21: can you confirm? The new quantity is stored in the property page [9], the difference in the quantities does not mean that a quantity equal to that difference has been deleted, as there could also be new IDs now and thus more deleted. HumanAFuser (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- I can confirm. This is not ideal. --Emu (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've updated Clemens de Boor (Q52680993) and filed a report for the duplicate GND. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Horst Döhnert (Q95006759) is a good example why we can't deleted incorrect identifier value (Q54975531), see
Q95006759#P106(done). Of course, this should not happen. That's where the people in charge of DtBio have failed. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)- Der Witz ist ja: Wenn Horst Döhnert (Q95006759) heute im Stadium von vor ein paar Tage wäre, könnte man das ganze Item (wenn die Löschung bei der Deutschen Biographie bleibt) als unbrauchbar entsorgen, weil man nie sicher sein könnte, welchen „männlichen Menschen mit dem Namen Horst Döhnert“ die Deutsche Biographie gemeint haben könnte. Das ist genau mein Problem mit Massenimporten ohne brauchbare Identifizierungsmerkmale, ohne aktuellen Anlass und auf der Basis von möglicherweise volatilen Identifiern … --Emu (talk) 22:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Das Beispiel spricht imho nicht gegen Massenimporte, sondern es kommen zwei Schlampereien zusammen: Der Bot hätte mehr Informationen imporieren müssen (Tätigkeit, Abrufdatum, URL etc.), und die Deutsche Biographie hat mit der Löschung des Datensatzes gegen bibliothekarische Regeln verstoßen. OK Die Fehler in Horst Döhnert (Q95006759) sind behoben. Eine passende GND liegt jetzt vor. Den dazugehörigen Titel habe ich auf de:WP:GND/F gemeldet. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ich lege Wert auf die Feststellung, dass ich nicht Massenimporte ablehne (die ich ja selbst mehrfach schon durchgeführt habe), sondern Massenimporten 1) ohne brauchbare Identifizierungsmerkmale 2) ohne aktuellen Anlass 3) auf der Basis von möglicherweise volatilen Identifiern – hier sind alle drei Merkmale erfüllt. Fehlt auch nur eines dieser Merkmale, gibt es kein Problem, weil man entweder in der Quelle nachschauen kann (3), in anderen sich auf die gleiche Person beziehenden Quellen nachschauen kann (2) oder eben die Informationen schon als Statements hat (1). --Emu (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- +1. Den Zusatz "ohne brauchbare Identifizierungsmerkmale" habe ich in der Tat überlesen, was immer dann passiert, wenn man sich ärgert. Ich bin nach wie vor sauer auf die DNB, dass dort jahrelang das Problem mit den Tns ausgesessen wurde (man hat sie 1:1 in die GND überführt, obwohl damals schon klar war, dass das Konzept nicht mehr tragfähig ist) und dann vor einem Jahr auf einen Schlag alle Datensätze gelöscht wurden, ohne die Titel vorher umzuverknüpfen. (Anhand der Katalogierierungslevel hätte man leicht eine Auswahl der Tns treffen können, die bevorzugt abzuarbeiten sind.) Anhand der Deutschen Biographie, die auf keinen vergleichbar großen Mitarbeiterstab zurückgreifen kann, zeigen sich jetzt die Folgen. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:20, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ich lege Wert auf die Feststellung, dass ich nicht Massenimporte ablehne (die ich ja selbst mehrfach schon durchgeführt habe), sondern Massenimporten 1) ohne brauchbare Identifizierungsmerkmale 2) ohne aktuellen Anlass 3) auf der Basis von möglicherweise volatilen Identifiern – hier sind alle drei Merkmale erfüllt. Fehlt auch nur eines dieser Merkmale, gibt es kein Problem, weil man entweder in der Quelle nachschauen kann (3), in anderen sich auf die gleiche Person beziehenden Quellen nachschauen kann (2) oder eben die Informationen schon als Statements hat (1). --Emu (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Das Beispiel spricht imho nicht gegen Massenimporte, sondern es kommen zwei Schlampereien zusammen: Der Bot hätte mehr Informationen imporieren müssen (Tätigkeit, Abrufdatum, URL etc.), und die Deutsche Biographie hat mit der Löschung des Datensatzes gegen bibliothekarische Regeln verstoßen. OK Die Fehler in Horst Döhnert (Q95006759) sind behoben. Eine passende GND liegt jetzt vor. Den dazugehörigen Titel habe ich auf de:WP:GND/F gemeldet. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Der Witz ist ja: Wenn Horst Döhnert (Q95006759) heute im Stadium von vor ein paar Tage wäre, könnte man das ganze Item (wenn die Löschung bei der Deutschen Biographie bleibt) als unbrauchbar entsorgen, weil man nie sicher sein könnte, welchen „männlichen Menschen mit dem Namen Horst Döhnert“ die Deutsche Biographie gemeint haben könnte. Das ist genau mein Problem mit Massenimporten ohne brauchbare Identifizierungsmerkmale, ohne aktuellen Anlass und auf der Basis von möglicherweise volatilen Identifiern … --Emu (talk) 22:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Horst Döhnert (Q95006759) is a good example why we can't deleted incorrect identifier value (Q54975531), see
- I've updated Clemens de Boor (Q52680993) and filed a report for the duplicate GND. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: today I got confirmation that the DtBio aims at not having any Tn anymore: "12 Uhr sollte es eigentlich ~ bis zum Beweis des Gegenteils ~ keine Tn in der Dt. Biographie mehr geben.", 12 Uhr means 12:00 CEST i.e. 10:00 UTC. So it should be active now or very soon. HumanAFuser (talk) 10:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nur so interessehalber: Ist die Dt. Biographie von selbst auf diese mäßig gute Idee gekommen oder gab es da entsprechende Anfragen? --Emu (talk) 10:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Es gibt die Seite https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/aktuelles. Letzter Eintrag: Februar 2020. Wieviele Einträge wurde wegen eines fehlerhaften Identifikators gelöscht? (Ich habe es überprüft: Auch unter der SFZ-URL sind sie nicht mehr auffindbar.) Wer hat diese Aktion zu verantworten, und warum wurden die Nutzer der Deutschen Biographie darüber nicht informiert? --Kolja21 (talk) 12:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: Antw. auf die Anfrage einer Kollegin an die DtBio aus dem Jahr 2015: "Eigentlich verwendet die Deutsche Biographie ausschließlich die Tp-Daten. [...] bei den Hilfskräften, die für die GND-Identifizierung eingesetzt werden, läßt sich nicht ganz ausschließen, dass dies auch Tn-Daten 'erwischen', was sie eigentlich nicht tun sollten." --Kolja21 (talk) 13:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Es gibt die Seite https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/aktuelles. Letzter Eintrag: Februar 2020. Wieviele Einträge wurde wegen eines fehlerhaften Identifikators gelöscht? (Ich habe es überprüft: Auch unter der SFZ-URL sind sie nicht mehr auffindbar.) Wer hat diese Aktion zu verantworten, und warum wurden die Nutzer der Deutschen Biographie darüber nicht informiert? --Kolja21 (talk) 12:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser, Michael Montag: Falls du Kontakt zur Red. der Deutschen Biographie hast, kannst du ihnen die Fehlermeldungen, die in WP seit 2015 erfasst werden (de:Kategorie Diskussion:Wikipedia:Vorlagenfehler/Vorlage:NDB), übermitteln. Ich habe die Liste aktualisiert. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
P7902 clean-up - format violations - novalue - longterm strategy
The current CV report was published 2021-06-13 and contains six format violations, of which five show the value "novalue" which seems to represent "no value" [10], these five are:
- Q350488: novalue , 2020-05-14 22:22 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q350488&diff=1181573060&oldid=1181572834
- Q594005: novalue , 2020-05-14 20:44 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q594005&diff=1181528194&oldid=1181528103
- Q1169400: novalue , 2020-05-14 22:31 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1169400&diff=1181578224&oldid=1181578089
- Q1308206: novalue , 2020-05-15 07:20 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1308206&diff=1181874820&oldid=1181874618
- Q1635497: novalue , 2020-05-15 07:26 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1635497&diff=1181877896&oldid=1181877775
They are listed on the CV report page since 2020-05-22, i.e. for more than one year [11]. @Epìdosis, Emu, Kolja21: is there any longterm strategy behind these? There are certainly more than five human items in Wikidata for which no DtBio GND value to fit into P7902 can be found. Each edit listed done within a 24 hour time span and by exactly one user. HumanAFuser (talk) 10:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Ich verstehe die Frage nicht. Adam Müller (Q350488) hat eine GND, aber (noch) keinen Eintrag in DtBio. In solchen Fälle (= Abfrage erfolglos) wird "Kein Wert" + Abrufdatum eingetragen, vergleichbar mit dem Parameter "GNDfehlt" in de:Vorlage:Normdaten. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
P7902 clean-up - Tn reason for deprecation - withdrawn identifier - without reference
I deleted the Tn value, since there was no proof it referred to that human described in the item, note that the definition of Tn was something like "not-individualised name"
@Epìdosis, Emu: what to do with such cases? I see no WD policy that would support storing information that by definition cannot be proven to be correct. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:48, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- I personally agree with deletion in such cases. --Epìdosis 12:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- There is no consensus for removal. Please refrain from removing contributions from other users because for some reason they aesthetically displease you. --Emu (talk) 12:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: please prove that I did what your statement implies. Otherwise I consider it as an ad hominem statement to discredit me. HumanAFuser (talk) 13:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
I undid the merge that lead to the addition of two Tn claims to an item about an (individual) human. HumanAFuser (talk) 13:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- According to All Known Sources (Kulturportal West-Ost and HBZ) this Tn was used exclusively for the person in question. You may now lecture me on the difference between Tn and Tp, if you wish to. --Emu (talk) 13:20, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
P7902 clean-up - format violations - SPARQL and SPARQL (new)
The CV section has
Format “1[0-9]{7,8}[0-9X]”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help) List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7902#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
The link under the label "SPARQL" [12] gave 58 results, the link under the label "SPARQL (new)" gave 2 results. I could remove all with 27 edits [13]. None(?) showed up in Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P7902#Format. Each(almost each?) error existed for more than one year, e.g. [14]. HumanAFuser (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
P7902 clean-up - multiple IDs on one item
Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P7902#"Single_value" violations has 1114 violations. @Epìdosis: can Bargioni check each ID in this list with a script and report triples of Qid, old value and new value where the old value (=external [DtBio-GND] id) has been redirected and new value is the target value? The values could then be replaced by QS. If that creates two equal statements, then the value could simply be deleted, or it can be cleaned up later. Maybe there is a bot that removes any duplicated statement. Note: Check has to be done on DtBio site, not GND, because the GND can have redirects that don't exist yet in DtBio. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: OK, it can probably be done in the next days. I confirm there is a bot (KrBot or KrBot2, don't remember which) that periodically removes duplicated statements. --Epìdosis 13:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- Query: https://w.wiki/3YKk (1204 results as of now). --Epìdosis 13:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- now 1100 HumanAFuser (talk) 09:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Bargioni: The following 127 are in the query but not in the solr-beacon, I will check them manually: 102614555
104110295 116054557 116434112 116434988 116520647 116651962 116765313 116803878 116930810 116947225 116955902 117008826 117155667 117171999 117308102 117330051 117420034 117524220 117546860 117568074 117595187 117722707 118639528 119803410 125205236 125693494 126969396 12809866X 12922264X 129489700 131344153 131482661 131513052 132452332 133123375 135735122 136170056 136582788 137544820 137913850 138710244 139103767 13910609X 139408827 140285571 170572722 173066089 174336705 189406178 1011620049 1012180093 1012277607 1012302008 1012384624 1012560244 1013120574 1013935012 1017903204 1018867104 101972515X 1019730900 101974345X 1019759917 1024168964 1024677117 1027793991 1034150081 1034944479 103511951X 1035124882 1035138743 1035154285 103774098X 1038705103 1045800880 1046209922 105115085X 1051187435 1051209412 1051210313 1051211018 1051216664 1051217105 1051217156 1051217245 1055147047 1055445021 1061279642 1061287726 1061359476 1061591204 106163891X 1061725987 1061923746 1062039637 1062238567 1062340612 1062430824 1065019270 1068247584 1072510588 1073396460 1073457443 1073474712 1074024591 1075742595 1079425373 1079854339 1081175265 1081204273 1084585472 1088352529 1089446802 1089948409 1090004427 1096011646 1099130131 1102254835 1122141424 1137344059 1145533493 115760238X 1169095291 1170639321 1186984635 1201438993 HumanAFuser (talk) 09:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: 974 in the query. Now waiting for the next dump release and its installation in DtBio, then maybe more can be cleaned. HumanAFuser (talk) 11:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Multiple DtBio items having same ID - redirect to search
- 2x (!=), the GND ID redirects to another GND ID but they behave differently in DtBio
- 8x the second URL in the search page is the same as the one that lead to the search page
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd11633777X.html Q1913713#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz34864.html Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfürst, Maximilian Prinz zu, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd11633777X.html [26.06.2021].
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- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1027793991.html (!=) https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd11643502X.html Q88644943#P7902 http://d-nb.info/gnd/1027793991 redirect to http://d-nb.info/gnd/11643502X
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz132103.html Eiser, Otto, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz132103.html [26.06.2021].
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd11643502X.html Eiser, Otto, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd11643502X.html [27.06.2021].
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd116467770.html Q1352044#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz8009.html#ndbcontent Holtzmann, Walther, "Caspar, Erich" in: Neue Deutsche Biographie 3 (1957), S. 164-165 [Online-Version]; URL: https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd116467770.html#ndbcontent
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- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd116696044.html Q1556642#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz55900.html Mallinckrodt, Gustav von, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd116696044.html [27.06.2021].
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd116696044.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117141100.html Q59141589#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz117167.html "Zitierweise Schütz, Carl von, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117141100.html [26.06.2021]."
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117141100.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117305103.html Q55131965#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz85161.html Wernsdorf, Christian Gottlieb, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117305103.html [26.06.2021].
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz85167.html Wernsdorf, Johann Christian, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117305103.html [26.06.2021].
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117622613.html Q85053#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz9332.html#adbcontent Cantor, Moritz, "Dase, Johann Martin Zacharias" in: Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie 4 (1876), S. 759 [Online-Version]; URL: https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117622613.html#adbcontent
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd117622613.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd118776533.html Q1257779#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz53378.html#ndbcontent Löhneysen, Wolfgang Freiherr von, "Justi, Ludwig" in: Neue Deutsche Biographie 10 (1974), S. 706 f. [Online-Version]; URL: https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd118776533.html#ndbcontent
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- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd120224712.html Q1036658#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz36034.html Hunnius, Carl, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd120224712.html [27.06.2021].
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd120224712.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1015476988.html Q1700243#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz21714.html#adbcontent Janko, Wilhelm Edler von, "Gordon, Johann" in: Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie 9 (1879), S. 372-373 [Online-Version]; URL: https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1015476988.html#adbcontent
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1015476988.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1018762353.html Q106651#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz50779.html#adbcontent Alberti, von, "Leutrum, Karl Sigmund Friedrich Wilhelm Freiherr von" in: Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie 18 (1883), S. 499 [Online-Version]; URL: https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1018762353.html#adbcontent
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1018762353.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1029472726.html Q15445722#P7902
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz134822.html Stalmann, Karl, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1029472726.html [27.06.2021].
- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1029472726.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1145748147.html Q2653612#P7902
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- ! https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1145748147.html
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1168630304.html (!=) https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1083292277.html Q94847529#P7902 http://d-nb.info/gnd/1168630304 redirect to http://d-nb.info/gnd/1083292277
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz132668.html Tiedemann, Heinrich, Indexeintrag: Deutsche Biographie, https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz132668.html [26.06.2021]. // !no GND in citation
- https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1083292277.html
HumanAFuser (talk) 13:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC) // most recent update : HumanAFuser (talk) 08:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Reported to DtBio HumanAFuser (talk) 08:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Not in solr beacon but on site
On each page no GND ID is given, despite the URL containing one.
404 not found at d-nb.info/gnd/
- Q85123523#P7902 https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd13436226X.html https://d-nb.info/gnd/13436226X 404 not found // corresponding GND https://d-nb.info/gnd/13436256X https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd13436256X.html (not found)
- Q29384869#P7902 https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1038705103.html https://d-nb.info/gnd/1038705103 404 not found // corresponding GND https://d-nb.info/gnd/1038701503 https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1038701503.html (found)
redirect at d-nb.info/gnd/
- Q20051514#P7902 https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd174336705.html https://d-nb.info/gnd/174336705 redirect to http://d-nb.info/gnd/1145868304
HumanAFuser (talk) 21:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC) // most recent update before report do DtBio HumanAFuser (talk) 10:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC) // most recent update HumanAFuser (talk) 12:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Reported to DtBio HumanAFuser (talk) 10:39, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
P7902 clean-up - 3443x ID in P7902 but not in DtBio-solr-GND-list
Below a list of 3443 IDs that are in P7902 but not in the DtBio-solr-GND-list that I downloaded. Since there could still be pages one could maybe check the IDs via script. And one could look at DtBio and GND. HumanAFuser (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: what can be done to verify each? I checked the last ID, 1234567890, and found it was vandalism. HumanAFuser (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: could Bargioni verify these IDs in DtBio and if 404 error is given, delete the value in WD, maybe by batch for possible review? HumanAFuser (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Verifying them is surely possible, but for deleting them it is necessary to know which item links to them. --Epìdosis 09:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: Can be done with sparql "VALUES", this would then also only show Qid-P7901 pairs where the P7902 has not been removed in the meantime. Maybe the list of "404 errors" could be pasted below in a new subsection below "3443 list ID in WD but maybe not in DtBio" - and it would also included IDs that have been removed in the meantime, but then there is proper documention. Maybe in the future some of the IDs re-appear in DtBio, but then there is some proof they have been away. HumanAFuser (talk) 09:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Verifying them is surely possible, but for deleting them it is necessary to know which item links to them. --Epìdosis 09:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser, Kolja21, Emu: 3443 IDs below have been checked by Bargioni and all of them were effectively defunct; https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/57668 removed them. I think this section and "3310 IDs in WD but not in DtBio source as preferred ID" can probably be archived in the next days. By the way, many cases in which P227 remains without P7902 are due to the redirection of P227 to a new value (e.g.); this will surely need further work. Anyway, another step forward. Bye, --Epìdosis 13:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: Unfortunately, batch/57668 also contained working IDs, see Property talk:P7902#Value not a GND. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Epìdosis: the list also included redirects, I worked manually on the 218 item sublist and added the redirect target value, until somewhere in the middle of the list the IDs had been removed by the batch. But one can add the new values based on P227 by comparing with the solr-beacon. This needs a comparison: in P227, in DtBio-solr-GND, not in P7902. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: I agree about "one can add the new values based on P227 by comparing with the solr-beacon", it seems a good solution. @Kolja21: It's strange good IDs have been removed, the check was one by one ... we apologize for this; I hope good IDs will be readded soon on the basis of P227. --Epìdosis 14:17, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: there seems to be some delay with the data in WD query. So I cannot do it right now. But July is near and hopefully a new dump will be published soon at https://data.dnb.de/opendata/ and hopefully DtBio installs it fast. Then P7902 can see many further updates and hopefully more fixes of CVs. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Bargioni: removal of some of the redirects should now be fixed based on P227 [15]. Other removed connections to DtBio may be repaired by batch when the next GND dump is installed on the DtBio site. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: I agree about "one can add the new values based on P227 by comparing with the solr-beacon", it seems a good solution. @Kolja21: It's strange good IDs have been removed, the check was one by one ... we apologize for this; I hope good IDs will be readded soon on the basis of P227. --Epìdosis 14:17, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
The 3443 list even includes IDs that were recently added by batch, also based on comparison with solr-list [16] HumanAFuser (talk) 09:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
3443 list ID in WD but maybe not in DtBio
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BIND ( URI(CONCAT("https://d-nb.info/gnd/",?id)) AS ?urldnb)
BIND ( URI(CONCAT(str(?item),"#P7902")) AS ?urlp7902)
SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
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(unsigned edit by HumanAFuser)
- @HumanAFuser: Statt einer Antwort wieder eine neue Liste. So funktioniert das nicht. Du arbeitest für dich allein und verteilst regelmäßig Aufgaben an andere. Wenn es kracht, legst du dir einen neuen Benutzernamen zu. Das ist schade! Jede Hilfe bei Wartungsarbeiten ist willkommen. Versuche bitte mit anderen zusammenzuarbeiten. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Auch an dieser Liste zeigt sich, dass eine Löschung fehlerhafter IDs, ohne weitere Kontrolle, kontraproduktiv ist. Die Angaben in Erhard Bieger (Q94762956) (1931-1992) beruhen auf dem ehemaligen Eintrag in der Deutschen Biographie. Q94762956#P7902 muss stehenbleiben oder man löscht den ganzen Eintrag. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Vandalism since February 2021 - how to prevent
Just reverted [17]. What can be done to prevent such errors being unreverted for over a quarter of a year? HumanAFuser (talk) 16:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Considering that I've never seen vandalisms from autopatrolled users, the focus should be on unpatrolled edits. Checking each day all the edits in this list, patrolling the correct ones and reverting the vandalism, would probably avoid nearly the 100% of vandalisms on items containing P7902. This obviously regards future vandalisms. For the past, I tend to be confident that most vandalisms get reverted and that most non-reverted vandalisms can be found through constraint violations; the above, not falling into a constraint violation, was particularly insidious. --Epìdosis 17:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: is there a way to see unpatrolled edits to only the P7902 statement? Another way to find errors might be to compare with the value in P227, in most cases this should be a 1:1 relationship, a CV check for this is installed. HumanAFuser (talk) 07:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- As far as I know, no way to see unpatrolled edits to only the P7902 statement. Comparison with P227 (assuming that P227 hasn't been vandalised as well, which is probably a very very rare occurrence) is a very good idea, it can probably be done through a complex constraint. --Epìdosis 07:29, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: is there a way to see unpatrolled edits to only the P7902 statement? Another way to find errors might be to compare with the value in P227, in most cases this should be a 1:1 relationship, a CV check for this is installed. HumanAFuser (talk) 07:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Value not a GND
- Q1290692#P7902 1052871731 <https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd1052871731.html> <https://d-nb.info/gnd/1052871731>
HumanAFuser (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Eduard von Todesco (Q1290692) @HumanAFuser: 1025871731 vs. 1052871731. Der Fachausdruck dafür lautet transposition error (Q140641). @Bargioni: Please don't remove this ID. It's a valid ID although it differs from the GND. It needs to be corrected by DtBio. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: [18] was not my edit. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: Thanks for noticing, restored. --Epìdosis 14:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- It is not a GND. P7902 is only for GND. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've restored the original name of Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) to avoid misunderstandings. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser, Kolja21: Maybe the best solution is keeping it as deprecate until DtBio corrects the error, hopefully soon; it can be a good promemoria. --Epìdosis 14:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: the best solution is a fallback to an existing solution, because it avoids additional problems by additional solutions. In this case, one can simply refer to the article by the SFZ-ID. One can use "no value" (no vlue for P7902) and add as reference URL the SFZ-based link. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: There is a value. So "no value" would be wrong. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis: the best solution is a fallback to an existing solution, because it avoids additional problems by additional solutions. In this case, one can simply refer to the article by the SFZ-ID. One can use "no value" (no vlue for P7902) and add as reference URL the SFZ-based link. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser, Kolja21: Maybe the best solution is keeping it as deprecate until DtBio corrects the error, hopefully soon; it can be a good promemoria. --Epìdosis 14:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've restored the original name of Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) to avoid misunderstandings. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- It is not a GND. P7902 is only for GND. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Please stop making things up, the page at the given reference URL doesn't claim that any GND ID for that persons exists, not to speak of one of that value [19] I reverted the fabrication. HumanAFuser (talk) 14:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Emu: Jetzt sind wir in die Edit-War-Phase eingetreten, wie du es ja schon vorhergesagt hast. Zeit für eine Sperrung? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2021 (UTC) [20]
- @Kolja21: Wird nicht anders gehen. Ich bereite einen CU vor. --Emu (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: Done Siehe Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser#27_June_2021. Ein anderer bewährter Nutzer hatte schon gestern diesen Gedanken: Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser#Tobias_Conradi --Emu (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: Wird nicht anders gehen. Ich bereite einen CU vor. --Emu (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: can you please intervene and block Kolja21 for inserting false claims [21] HumanAFuser (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: You reverted his [22] and mine edits. @Emu: Danke! --Kolja21 (talk) 14:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- 13:45 Bargioni removed the value that is not a GND [23]
- 14:08 Epìdosis reverted giving no reason [24]
- 14:11 Kolja21 altered the statement [25] adding a reference URL for a page that doesn't mention a GND at all
- 14:12 HumanAFuser removed it again, giving a reason "not a GND" [26]
- 14:19 Epìdosis inserts it again [27]
- !14:20 Kolja21 altered the label of the property [28]
- !14:30 HumanAFuser reverts the label of the property [29]
- 14:32 HumanAFuser adds a "novalue" statement [30]
- 14:32 Kolja21 altered the statement inserted by Epìdosis [31] adding a reference URL for a page that doesn't mention a GND at all
- 14:35 HumanAFuser removed the statement inserted by Epìdosis giving as reason "not a GND and the page at the given reference URL doesn't even claim that a GND exists" [32]
- 14:40 Kolja21 reverts and refers to the talk page [33] but there is no consensus for his/her edit
- 14:41 HumanAFuser reverts Kolja21 "fake" [34]
- !14:59 Kolja21 alters the label of the property again [35]
- !15:41 HumanAFuser reverts giving as reason "restore per consensus as archived at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P7902/Archive_1&oldid=1449309981#Rename_to_Deutsche_Biographie_(GND)_ID" [36]
The property is defined to store the GND IDs found in P7902. All other values like Tn, text and typos cause problems and can disappear at any time. GND IDs can also disappear, but the chance is smaller. The poor management of P7902 and P227 is visible in long lists of constraint violations (CVs) that no one seemed to have worked on for several months cf. 463 human duplicates @ New GND human related duplicates - strategy for prevention. HumanAFuser (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Reported to DtBio HumanAFuser (talk) 16:39, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
The bug is in WD since 2020-02-12 HumanAFuser (talk) 16:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- You do realize that you aren’t allowed to edit Wikidata at all (per global ban), don't you? --Emu (talk) 16:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: "All other values like Tn, text and typos cause problems." Yes, and that is why we mark them as depreciated. Deleting the IDs (especially if they are used as reference) doesn't solve the problem like we explained you before. After (and not before) the problem is solved they are replaced with a "perfect" GND. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Duplicates in DtBio-solr-GND-list - probably more IDs lead to search pages
Pasting the concatenated results of the four solr-lists [37] into http://www.listdiff.com/compare-2-lists-difference-tool indicated 186 duplicates. That means several more IDs probably lead to search pages and to circular search result links. I don't have a list of these values. HumanAFuser (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
255x P7902 but not P227
There are 255 IDs not in P227 as regular or best values. At least five different settings exist:
- Multiple values in P227, one value in P227 is marked deprecated
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5977632&oldid=1418407854#P227 one value in P227 is deprecated (100204783 reason for deprecation unconfirmed) but in P7902 both are listed as normal values. The cause is in this edit from 2020-07-10 [38]. There was an error in Pacelli-editions and that was reported to them and to DtBio 2020-07-10. Wikidata keeps the errors due to poor management of P7902 and P227.
- Einschub. @M2k~dewiki: Da wurden offenbar zwei verschiedene Personen zusammengeführt. Kannst du noch mal draufschauen? Q5977632 = sv:Karl von Martens (1790-1863 in Dresden); Q94779911 = de:Carl von Martens (1790-1861 in Stuttgart). Wann welche Daten vermischt wurden, ist mir nicht klar. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @M2k~dewiki: Danke für die Trennung der beiden Einträge. Im zweiten Schritt müssen wir jetzt bis zu den Anfängen zurückgehen (sv:Karl von Martens) und schauen, welche Angaben welcher Person zuzuordnen sind. Ich schaue mir den Fall in den nächsten Tagen noch mal genauer an. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Done Done here. HumanAFuser had started this discussion already on Talk:Q5977632. Duplicating the discussion is not going to get us anywhere. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- False, no edit by HumanAFuser there and furthermore the discussion there isn't the same as here, here the topic are the 255x P7902 not in P227 and the item in question was only an example - taken from the top of the list which is sorted by value. HumanAFuser (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Done Done here. HumanAFuser had started this discussion already on Talk:Q5977632. Duplicating the discussion is not going to get us anywhere. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- @M2k~dewiki: Danke für die Trennung der beiden Einträge. Im zweiten Schritt müssen wir jetzt bis zu den Anfängen zurückgehen (sv:Karl von Martens) und schauen, welche Angaben welcher Person zuzuordnen sind. Ich schaue mir den Fall in den nächsten Tagen noch mal genauer an. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Einschub. @M2k~dewiki: Da wurden offenbar zwei verschiedene Personen zusammengeführt. Kannst du noch mal draufschauen? Q5977632 = sv:Karl von Martens (1790-1863 in Dresden); Q94779911 = de:Carl von Martens (1790-1861 in Stuttgart). Wann welche Daten vermischt wurden, ist mir nicht klar. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4019918&oldid=1444854504#P227 one value in P227 is deprecated (104073942 reason for deprecation applies to other person) but in P7902 both are listed as normal values - but if it is another person, why not create another item for that one and move both IDs there?
- Other item created Q107361137, cf. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q107361137&action=history HumanAFuser (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- The removed GND ID was added 2015-04-29 accompanied by a claim stated twice, namely in "qualifier" and "reference" that it was imported from a Wikiproject "Historical Commission of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences" (Q1419226) [39], but there is no evidence that "Historical Commission of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences" ever was a Wikiproject. In fact a warning symbol was shown next to the item, probably due to a value-type-constraint violation, cf. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P143&oldid=1449120644#P2302 HumanAFuser (talk) 18:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Of cause Historical Commission of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences (Q1419226) is not a Wikiproject. At the time the information was added there was no warning symbol. It's an old import. Like in all other cases: You need to correct errors. Mass deletion does not help. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HumanAFuser: Bitte unlasse diese Löschungen! Die GND stammt von der "Historischen Kommission bei der Bayerischen Akademie der Wissenschaften". Dort ist sie mit der falschen Person verknüpft. Daher der Zusatz applies to other person (Q35773207). Das ist ein Rechercheergebnis und wichtig für die Wartungsarbeit. Die Löschung dieser Information gilt als Vandalismus und ist einer der Gründe warum du global gesperrt bist, egal ob du als IP (77.183.151.129) editierst oder dich User:Michael Montag nennst. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5977632&oldid=1418407854#P227 one value in P227 is deprecated (100204783 reason for deprecation unconfirmed) but in P7902 both are listed as normal values. The cause is in this edit from 2020-07-10 [38]. There was an error in Pacelli-editions and that was reported to them and to DtBio 2020-07-10. Wikidata keeps the errors due to poor management of P7902 and P227.
- Multiple values in P227, one value in P227 is marked preferred
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1040638&oldid=1406877046#P227 one value in P227 is preferred, no reason given edit done 2018-08-28
- Done The older GND has been marked as "Gewinnerdatensatz" (winning data set). Normally this is true, in this case I have doubts since GND 105118052X contains more informations. What counts is an error message. We have to wait and then we will see which of the two GNDs will be preserved. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- False, nothing done, still no evidence for "Preferred rank", re "What counts is an error message." - the list of 255 issues was presented here to encourage users to create such "error message[s]", since several months hundreds of issues affecting P7902 exist and this one in P227 exists even since 2018-08-28, i.e. almost three years. The reporting systems seems broken. Why doesn't DNB pick up these cases from WD directly? A lot of manual intervention in the processes, kind of job creation scheme? HumanAFuser (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Done The older GND has been marked as "Gewinnerdatensatz" (winning data set). Normally this is true, in this case I have doubts since GND 105118052X contains more informations. What counts is an error message. We have to wait and then we will see which of the two GNDs will be preserved. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q23759086&oldid=1431773547#P227 one value in P227 is preferred, no reason given, in fact the value having "Normal rank" is a redirect, but not marked as such
- @HumanAFuser: You wrote: "The reporting systems seems broken." And now you proved that it works, see de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/September 2020: Karl-Heinz Käfer. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:27, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1040638&oldid=1406877046#P227 one value in P227 is preferred, no reason given edit done 2018-08-28
- One value in P227
- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65215988&oldid=1447772530#P227 one value in P7902 matching the value in P227, the other from P7902 is not in P227 and is a redirect: http://d-nb.info/gnd/1061441202 to http://d-nb.info/gnd/107426262X, 2021-06-24 redirect removed from P227
List 255x P7902 but not P227
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HumanAFuser (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Handling of values that are not a preferred GND ID and absence of a value
The insertion of values that are not a preferred GND ID into Property:P7902 "Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID" disallows easy direct comparison of the values in P7902 with:
- values in Property:P227
- values in the DtBio-solr-GND-list [40]
and creates long lists of constraint violations that due to the quantity of violations disallow seeing even vandalism easily.
In June 2021 thousands of values that are not a preferred GND ID in DtBio or a GND ID at all have been removed. Also the format constraint was improved [41] to easily detect some of these values and warn editors directly on each item and log occurrences via a Wikidata:Database report [42].
A small subset of the values that were not GND ID had been marked:
- text string, e.g. "ohne GND (28.01.2020)" 2020-05-19 inserted by batch nine edits to the property between 2020-05-28 and 2021-03-01 2021-06-23 removed
- eight digit strings, in variable environment settings, even when the underlying situation and the user creating the marks were the same:
- 2020-06-01 method
- 2021-06-22 removed had "Normal rank" next to a GND ID value that had "Preferred rank" since 2020-06-01 2021-06-22 restored to "Normal rank"
- 2021-06-22 removed had "Normal rank" next to a GND ID value that had "Preferred rank" since 2020-06-01 2021-06-22 restored to "Normal rank"
- 2021-06-22 removed had "Normal rank" next to a GND ID value that had "Preferred rank" since 2020-06-01 2021-06-22 restored to "Normal rank"
- 2021-05-02 method
- 2021-06-22 removed had "Deprecated rank" "reason for deprecation: incorrect identifier value" "reference URL: https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz045074-5.html" since 2021-05-02 ("Preferred rank" changed to "Normal rank")
- 2020-06-01 method
- Tn - mostly unmarked, but sometimes marked
- 2021-06-22 removed a user claiming 12:58 "no consensus for removal" but not demonstrating any consensus for the 12:14 edit adding the value
- five no value claims having "Normal rank" created by one user between 2020-05-14 22:22 and 2020-05-15 07:26 without any visible longterm strategy nor explanation why these five out of millions have been marked [43]
- having "Normal rank" 2020-05-15 created next to a GND ID value also having "Normal rank" 2021-06-17 added by batch and 2021-06-23 "no value" removed
- four others still present, even if the person does not have a page in DtBio
- 10-digit string, found via a full comparison of lists of IDs and the coincidence that it was placed at the end of the generated result list [44] 2021-02-21 non-GND-ID value inserted 2021-06-26 removed
By removing values that were not preferred GND IDs, hundreds of single value violations have been resolved [45]
But some edits even in June 2021 insert values that are not a GND ID. A user that created several of the above mentioned P7902 settings even insists on inserting values into Property:P7902 "Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID" that are not a GND ID [46] and "substantiates" by providing a reference URL that leads to a page that doesn't even mention any GND ID.
Another way to manage P7902 is to only store:
- GND IDs that are preferred at the DtBio site, i.e. not the DtBio redirects which are derived from the GND LDS dump, and change any values that are redirected to the target
- no value - where a DtBio page exists, but no GND ID value exists in DtBio, and link to the DtBio page via reference URL set to the SFZ-URL of the page
That allows for easier constraint violation checks, batch operations, vandalism detection, reporting to DtBio. That is due to the fact, that there are fewer special settings involved which even by the same user are applied inconsistently, and the property simply tracks Property:P227 (GND ID). Examples:
- if a value exists in P7902 but not in P227 for more than ~4 months (GND LDS dumps are currently published more or less in a distance of 4 months, and the dumps are the basis for redirect resolution in DtBio), then one of the values might be incorrect.
- if there isn't a single value in P7902 which mirrored by a single value in P227 then something might be false in WD or could be reported to DtBio or DNB. There is a constraint violation check testing for equality of the values in P7902 and P227 2021-06-17 : 3727 2021-06-28 : 3488 - still a lot to do
- if a value exists in P227 and P7902 has "no value" the P227 value can be reported to DtBio
- if a single value violation exists, it could be reported to the German National Library (DNB) so they can verify if they are duplicates and merge the items in the GND DB, which will then be installed in DtBio and the single value violation in P7902 be resolved. https://w.wiki/3YKk : 980
Cases that don't have a single value and 1:1 match with Property:P227 may also be caused by the management of P227, which is also inconsistent, some redirects are stored, some not, some marked in one way, some in another, see sections "Value not in GND" and following, some user replying repeatedly to different inconsistency reports with "It’s a wiki. Just fix it and stop creating pointless discussions" (2021-06-25 22:54 and 2021-06-26 11:45)
200000+ GND IDs from DtBio-solr-GND-list are not stored in P7902 yet and the amount of preferred GND values in DtBio may further increase. Professional management of P7902 using proper documentation, consistent settings and reporting back to the data sources is a way to better align Wikidata with https://www.wikimedia.org/ : "Wikimedia is a global movement whose mission is to bring free educational content to the world.". HumanAFuser (talk) 08:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
199930 DtBio GND ID not in P7902
199930 of the values from the DtBio-GND-solr-list are not stored in P7902 (as in https://w.wiki/3ZAD). Of these 843 are stored in P227 (as in https://w.wiki/3ZAM). A reverse check via SPARQL, see below, found that six of these values are already stored in P7902 (117044873, 117673471, 126911800, 129794724, 137565526, 1052051189, 1061892026) and another reverse check of the 843 values on P227 gave 846 results. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Added values via batch script containing 845 lines [47], checked on 117044873, 117673471 (two of the six already in P7902 according to reverse check) if the values were added a second time, which was not the case. HumanAFuser (talk) 12:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
843 not in P7902
843 values yielding 846 results in P227
SELECT ?item ?id ?urldtbio ?urldnb ?urlp227
{
VALUES ?id {
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"18941006X" "189415738" "189417374" "189445726" "189519258" "18952071X" "18952989X" "189540648" "1012179451" "101225920X" "1012268063" "101228820X" "101239168X" "1012585670" "1012767353" "1012869245" "1013011937" "101401106X" "1014428084" "1014450683" "101599234X" "1016654308" "1016850824" "1017247161" "1018225811" "1018261206" "1018749691" "1019223154" "1019741902" "1019871679" "1021252948" "1021285110" "1022224204" "1022809652" "1023751224" "1023804662" "1023851679" "1024086593" "1024109232" "1025512960" "1025875575" "1026065720" "1026322022" "1026359619" "1026672872" "1026756448" "1026853079" "1027090265" "1027137938" "1028106793" "1028323298" "1028561938" "1028650957" "1028792077" "1028903286" "1029809216" "1029967784" "1030024782" "1031167730" "1032503521" "1032575395" "1032644222" "1032676051" "1033346616" "1033386014" "1033930490" "1034700383" "1035176149" "1035333899" "103544710X" "1035691213" "1036289109" "1036910601" "1037145305" "1038102693" "1038767237" "1041277946" 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}
?item wdt:P227 ?id.
BIND ( URI(CONCAT("https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd",?id,".html")) AS ?urldtbio)
BIND ( URI(CONCAT("https://d-nb.info/gnd/",?id)) AS ?urldnb)
BIND ( URI(CONCAT(str(?item),"#P227")) AS ?urlp227)
SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
Six already in P7902
SELECT ?item ?id ?urldtbio ?urldnb ?urlp7902
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