User talk:Dacoucou

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Hi,

Please stop removing dates from descriptions, they are many times useful to separate different honomyms or to help identifying a person. Contributors took of their time to add those informations, removing them is not respectful of their work and I personally consider it is a deterioration

Can you provide the homonyms for these persons ? thanks. You can also see Help:Description

Pierre Bonnaud has already several homonyms.

However, with time the database will grow and it many new homonyms may appear. Removing dates mechanically like you are doing it doesn't bring anything, it can provide no benefice. There is nothing in the help page that supports what you are doing. Bad descriptions are too long or too vague to characterize properly the items.

with the description, you can remove the homonymy. Nothing is written in the help pages to systematically add dates, you can ask for a vote in this sense but you will have difficulty imposing it. Many tools use the description and are based on the fact, there is no pollution.

There is no obligation, but it's obvious it's a condensed and pertinent information about human being to know about their lifescope (or year of birth when the person is still alive), and by removing it systematically like you are doing it cannot be helpful, in any circonstance, this can only cause trouble. I don't understand why you are talking about pollution and facts, this is obviously a fact and no pollution. I have already lost a lot of time trying to find a good homonym because dates were missing, it depends on the data one is handling, having the dates directly can be very helpful in some cases. Also, you cannot reason from a static current situation, the database is dynamic and new items are added constantly, so it's also better not to have to lose time to desambiguate constantly the item's descriptions.

You are in an object database where you already have the information and all these unnecessary and undesirable additions serve no purpose except for perfect homonyms: name+description. This almost never happens except for sovereigns. That's why it's not written in the online help. If you go to matchid, you will see that it is highly undesirable to add this wording, and the same applies to places of birth and death. I don't see why you want to go against all the accepted rules, but you could at least ask for a community vote before changing them.

As a contributor to the database I am frequently annoyed with description that provide not enough informations (typically "... writer" or "... journalist"), and the dates are decisive to separate homonyms without needing to check details inside the page itself (and even though, it's not always easy on some ones). Also, I don't understand why you pretend it goes all the accepted rules, this is juste your interpretation: the help page you refered to above gives singer Madonna as an example, and the description gives her year of birth.

OK, you don't understand what an object database is and more generally what wikidata is. Please refer to Help talk:Description/fr, someone else can explain it to you

Hi, please slow down with adding illustrations of Polish people! You are doing really a bad job (sometimes). Recent examples: for Wiesław Kaczmarek (Q11837766) you have added a picture of Leszek Miller (File:MylerPL5.JPG), while for Paweł Wojciechowski (Q2065166) you have added a picture of Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz (File:Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz 2006.jpg). I have got no idea how one can make such mistakes. Even if you do not speak Polish, it is obvious that Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz and Paweł Wojciechowski are completely different persons! If you are using some kind of automation, it works erroneously and you have to verify its output. Due to your edits we have in pl:wiki serious claims to disconnect from Wikidata. So please, check your recent (at least) work and correct errors since it is quite likely, that you made much more of them than these two. And please, be more careful! Regards, Michal

Nor is it a cause of death. Thanks.

Hey. I had to remove some Squash Info ID (P3286) statements which you added to squash tournaments. The property currently can only handle identifiers for players but not for tournaments.

I see, you put a couple of times this file (File:15082009748 little.jpg) for Marcus Walz. That's wrong, that Picture is for Diego Cosgaya, another spanish kayaker. Leonprimer (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I saw you adding French labels and descriptions for items of rowing personalities this morning and want to ask whether you would be willing to help adding those to all (or almost all) items available. There are only 96 labels missing out ot 6913 items, which is not much of a problem. However, 5947 items (86%) do not have a French description. As a fr-0-speaker I can’t really change this alone, so I’d need someone to provide the translations or to run the QuickStatements input. So are you interested? Thanks and regards!

Meh, the link were not included in full length. Here are the queries, for missing labels:

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?citizenship WHERE {   {     SELECT ?item ?citizenship WHERE { 	  ?item wdt:P106/wdt:P279* wd:Q26270618 .   	  ?item wdt:P27 ?citizenship .     }	   }   OPTIONAL {     ?item rdfs:label ?labels .   	FILTER( LANG(?labels) = "fr" ) .    }   FILTER(!BOUND(?labels))   SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr" <nowiki>}</nowiki>

And for missing descriptions:

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?citizenship ?citizenshipLabel WHERE {   {     SELECT ?item ?citizenship WHERE { 	  ?item wdt:P106/wdt:P279* wd:Q26270618 .   	  ?item wdt:P27 ?citizenship .     }	   }   OPTIONAL {     ?item schema:description ?descriptions .   	FILTER( LANG(?descriptions) = "fr" ) .    }   FILTER(!BOUND(?descriptions))   SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr" } <nowiki>}</nowiki>

Unfortunately even the link to open them is not rendered correctly on Flow talk pages. Thus: query.wikidata.org.

The cited sources (GND, BNF) provide Gregorian callendar dates; they should not be used as sources for julian calendar dates

Have you a real reference other that imported from russian wikipedia and japanese wikipedia ? A lot of modifications but still poorly referenced :-(

I have added two. But unsure it they are better than GND or BDF.

Bon, apparemment on a un problème avec une IP sur l'élément concernant les Pays-Bas.

Ça pose encore plus de problèmes dans le cyclisme où nous utilisons massivement Wikidata. Un blocage ne serait pas une mauvaise idée.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%CF%80%CF%89%CE%BB+%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%BC&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGR1045GR1045&oq=%CF%80&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l3j69i57j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i512j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j69i59.708j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Google

Google n'est pas une source. L'état civil français est donné en référence et si vous ne comprenez pas le français, abstenez vous.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%CE%A0%CF%89%CE%BB+%CE%91%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%BC&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGR1045GR1045&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Πωλ Αντάμ Απεβίωσε:1 /2 Ιανουαρίου 1920,

Google n'est toujours pas une référence. L'état civil français est la référence absolue pour toute personne morte en France.

page 3 of https://archives.paris.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3M6MTA6IjIwMjItMDgtMDciO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJlZjEiO2k6NDtzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6Mjc4Njk0O3M6MTY6InZpc2lvbm5ldXNlX2h0bWwiO2I6MTtzOjIxOiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sX21vZGUiO3M6NDoicHJvZCI7fQ==#uielem_move=355.20001220703125%2C76&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoom=63&uielem_brightness=0&uielem_contrast=0&uielem_isinverted=0&uielem_rotate=F

absolute reference

Πωλ Αντάμ Απεβίωσε:1 /2 Ιανουαρίου 1920,