Wikidata:Property proposal/featured in

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

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Descriptionidentifier for items which appear in creative works of fiction (movie, television show, season of television show, novel, musical composition, or video game)
Data typeItem
Domain?
Allowed valuescreative work
Example 1My Heart Will Go On (Q155577)Titanic (Q44578)
Example 2Twist and Shout (Q60527247)Ferris Bueller's Day Off (Q498906)
Example 3Mona Lisa (Q12418)Mona Lisa (Q1164190)
Example 4Chateau Marmont (Q741123)Somewhere (Q1338368)
Example 5Tiffany & Co. (Q1066858)Breakfast at Tiffany's (Q193066)
See also

Motivation

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Create a relationship to indicate when items are featured in a creative work. Featured items could be either animate or inanimate. This would allow Wikidata to reflect the instances when items are depicted in popular culture. present in work (P1441) comes close to serving this purpose, but that property was created to identify when a fictional entity (Q14897293) or historical person is present within a creative work. Jbandrews (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  •  Comment I added a few related properties and proposal. From the samples given, it's unclear if there is actually a need for this. At least if you consider some of the inverse relationship. Please bear in mind that we don't need every film featuring New York to be added to New York City (Q60).
Also, I changed "creative work" from "domain" to "allowed values" as I suppose the values should be creative works. --- Jura 16:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Seems useful. Moebeus (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Capturing these kinds of relationships seems like something Wikidata is uniquely positioned to do. This may be getting ahead of this conversation, but would it also make sense to have a companion property called "features" - or something to that effect - for the work that features other works? I could see this being useful for queries. Wskent (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I believe the restriction of creative works is not needed and will not vote for another too narrow (just like P1441) property. This makes this name bad as we would need a third property for all the cases when there is a non-creative but notable item that is featured in a creative work that we would want to capture. A better name for this narrow case would be "creative work featured in". Ainali (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. A concept, notable individual animals or mass produced items could be featured in a film without being mentioned. Ainali (talk) 18:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see. I think I have seen some use of depicts (P180) in the wild to do that. Jean-Fred (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that might work for those two. But how about a concept? Ainali (talk) 10:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment I strongly favor just broadening present in work (P1441) for this purpose. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Support, although I would also be happy with broadening present in work (P1441). - PKM (talk) 20:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Circeus: A given book might have hundred characters present in work (P1441) is intended to allow each of those characters to be linked with the book without having 100 statements on one item. If you have a historical person like Abraham Lincoln there might be 100 creative works that somehow feature Lincoln. Adding those 100 statements to the item for Lincoln would be problematic as it makes that item take long to load.
It seems that @PKM: transformed present in work (P1441) in a way that has the potential to make items to big to be effectively interacted with in Wikidata and nobody stopped him but I don't think that is a reason to add further potential disruption. ChristianKl14:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]