Wikidata:Property proposal/statut administratif
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administrative status
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
Not done
| Description | Appartenance à une catégorie créée par l'administration pour donner des droits et des devoirs particuliers à certains administrés. (fr) – (Please translate this into English.) |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | élément (item) |
| Example 1 | Citeo (Q60846010) → Q3047063 |
| Example 2 | Q115471871 → Organisme d'habitations à loyer modéré (Q3356135) |
| Example 3 | Hydrophone (Lorient) (Q74844748) → Q109044028 |
| Example 4 | Le Slip Français (Q14594793) → Entreprise à mission (Q56317876) |
| Example 5 | Association française de personnes souffrant de troubles obsessionnels compulsifs (Q28802116) → Q25380666 |
| Example 6 | Q109042366 → Q2945243 |
| Example 7 | Q115469204 → habilitation funéraire |
Motivation
[edit]Il manque une propriété pour renseigner le cadre juridique applicable à un élément, matérialisé par la reconnaissance d'un statut par l'administration. C'est l'équivalent de ce que fait heritage designation (P1435) pour le patrimoine.
Notified participants of WikiProject France Arpyia (talk) 20:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Comment. Quid de forme juridique(P1454) ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC).
- Comment same comment as @Nomen ad hoc: and more widly, what about the ~3000 existing properties ? Moreover, except if this really is something unique to France (which need to be confirmed and proved), there should be more diverse examples. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 10:21, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Bonjour et merci de votre intérêt. forme juridique(P1454) est différent, c'est la nature juridique d'une organisation qui régit son fonctionnement statutaire, et elle est toujours unique (c'est écrit sur la page de la propriété). Mon but est d'ajouter d'autres catégories administratives pertinentes, qui donnent un cadre supplémentaire, et qui peuvent être attribuées à des entités de formes juridiques bien différentes. Bien entendu ce n'est pas une spécificité française et je ne doute pas que la propriété suscitera des contributions de tous les pays.
- Exemple de l'entreprise à mission : « La société à mission n’est pas un statut La société à mission est une qualité, ce qui signifie qu’une société qui l’adopte conserve sa forme juridique (par exemple, une SA peut devenir société à mission tout comme une SAS ou une SARL sans avoir à renoncer à son statut de SA, SAS ou SARL). Ainsi, toutes les formes de société relevant du Code de commerce peuvent devenir société à mission, y compris les mutuelles et les coopératives. » (source https://www.entrepreneursamission.fr/la-genese-de-la-societe-a-mission/naissance-de-la-societe-a-mission/)
- Exemple de l'opérateur habilité activités funéraires : « Sous quelle forme juridique peut-on exercer les activités funéraires? Il est possible d’exercer les activités funéraires sous forme d’entreprise individuelle, d’auto-entreprise, de société, de régie ou SPIC pour les communes ou communautés urbaines, ou d’association. » (source https://www.bouches-du-rhone.gouv.fr/Demarches/Autres-demarches/Activites-funeraires/Questions-les-plus-frequentes2 )
Arpyia (talk) 13:09, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Unless the proposer (or someone else) translates the label and description, and the labels of all examples, to English. For the record, I'm not English (I'm Bulgarian), but English has come to be the universal language of IT and related areas, so for fuller participation in the proposal, these strings need to be translated --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- There is no requirement for proposals to be in English, so I don't think this is a valid reason to reject the proposal. Wikidata is supposed to be a multilingual project and French is a widely spoken language, so I don't see why a proposal in French could not get enough review from more experienced editors (at least in theory). - Nikki (talk) 16:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Nomen ad hoc, VIGNERON, Nikki:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 05:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Arpyia, ZI Jony: I still don't really understand the proposal and its need. If legal form (P1454) does not fit (which I'm not quite convinced), there is a lot of other properties like award received (P166) or accredited by (P5514) with rating (P4271) as qualifier. The examples don't help to see what this proposal is really about (plus they're all related to France which is also not helpful) and why it is really needed. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Nomen ad hoc, VIGNERON, Nikki:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 05:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- There is no requirement for proposals to be in English, so I don't think this is a valid reason to reject the proposal. Wikidata is supposed to be a multilingual project and French is a widely spoken language, so I don't see why a proposal in French could not get enough review from more experienced editors (at least in theory). - Nikki (talk) 16:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 05:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)