Wikidata talk:WikiProject Comics

WikiProject Comics: Creators Expansion?

Hey folks!

I'm planning to begin some work on creating new Wikidata items for underrepresented comics creators and cartoonists. Right now, that feels like it falls just a bit outside the WikiProject Comics description & goals as they stand now, which seems a little more focused on the comics themselves and the form of comics as a medium.

Would anyone be interested in helping me expand this WikiProject a bit to include language about creators? Or would anyone be opposed if I added Creators to the Projects list here with some standout examples?

I'm hoping to bring some of this work into my Digital Humanities classroom in the Fall, so my hope is to help build this out a little more in the coming months.

Thanks! -- Justin.wigard (talk) 20:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Creating application profiles/data models for graphic novel works and manifestations/editions

The American Library Association Graphic Novel and Comics Round Table Metadata & Cataloging Committee has been developing and testing out application profiles/data models for graphic novel works and editions. Please check out these models and provide any feedback. We would like to them to the best practices section. B bradley26 (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Should I be seeing more than one Where should feedback be sent? John Dickson04 (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

There should be separate tabs on the bottom of the document for work and edition. If you're not seeing the tabs, I can separate the sheets into separate files if that is easier.

I think it would be best to provide feedback either here or on my personal discussion page: User talk:B bradley26 B bradley26 (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I wanted to comment on G9 in the Edition sheet. I think it's fine to keep the awards for letterer & colorist on the edition/manifestation level. Regarding the question about the award statement on the colorist/letterer's item, I think you should link to the edition, not the work. "work" in the "For work" qualifier seems to be more general than how we're thinking about it here. The award is for the work that the person did, rather than "Work" in FRBR terms, if that makes sense. --Tophkate (talk) 22:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

2024

Sorry for letting the grass grow on this WikiProject during 2023, but glad to see this talk page got some activity in that year. I copied the contents of the spreadsheet linked above to the subpage /ALA for easier reading, let me know what y'all think. Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Three smurfs where they should be two?

Hi!

I’m trying to understand the structuration of the Smurfs on Wikidata. We have:

• The Smurfs (Q11221), the franchise (include comics but also other stuff like cartoons and films)
• The Smurfs (Q4537599), the comic book series
• The Smurfs: Original series (Q42268586), the “original” comic book series

What I don’t get is the difference between the second and the third. There is only one comic book series entitled “The Smurfs”, with a clear number and order of books etc. There are A LOT of side-series, sub-series, etc, but each with they own name.

To me, The Smurfs (Q4537599) and The Smurfs: Original series (Q42268586) are the same, and I cannot think of reasons why not to merge them, but I would like to hear opinions about it :)

(There is also The Smurf stories (Q42265439), which makes a lot of sense on its own, albeit marked a “comic book series” for the lack of a better qualifier. I don’t think this one should be touched, but it’s an interesting peculiarity of the structure of this series. There are Smurfs stories, which themselves are collected in Smurfs books, which themselves are published into the Smurfs series.)

Nclm (talk) 17:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nclm: As the one who created The Smurfs: Original series (Q42268586): If I remember correctly I created an item for the original series because the topic of The Smurfs (Q4537599) is actually quite vague. For a start: it says that the "series" was founded in 1958 which is not the date I found for the original series (1963). Apart from that the English wikipedia article does also mention volumes issued by Papercutz graphic novels and Marvel Comics as being volumes of The Smurfs (comics). Maybe The Smurfs (Q4537599) should rather be a collection of works than a series? I'm open for suggestions, here. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the insight!

Interesting. 1958 is when the Smurfs first appeared as characters in another comics. 1959 is when they first appeared as their own comics in a magazine. 1963 is when they first appeared as a published comic book.

So the logic could be that The Smurfs (Q4537599) are the Smurf “comics” in general (any format, any series, any kinds of publication), and The Smurfs: Original series (Q42268586) are the Smurfs main “comic book series” (the original numbered “albums”).

I’m still convinced that we need a generic Smurf comics entity. Books that are from the original series (or translations of books from the original series, as I believe the Papercutz are) are linked to The Smurfs: Original series (Q42268586), which itself are part of the franchise The Smurfs (Q11221). Individual stories are linked to The Smurf stories (Q42265439). And other series can have their own entity, like Q30727690 or Q124478256, linked to the franchise – maybe the Marvel comics, if relevant, can be one of those too? I don’t exactly know what The Smurfs (Q4537599) as comics in general represent concretely, but maybe it makes sense as a conceptual encompassing entity for all comics?

Nclm (talk) 20:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

"I don’t exactly know what The Smurfs (Q4537599) as comics in general represent concretely, but maybe it makes sense as a conceptual encompassing entity for all comics?". Yes, this is how I think of this item, too. There is also Wikipedia article covering multiple topics (Q21484471) but I think we can be a bit more specific and call it a set of comics/works (but maybe not a series). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)