User talk:Daicaregos

A wander or a line in the sand?

It is nice to see you back at the crease. Is this a night watchman's stay or a vanguard attack? The later will be of great benefit to WP Wales. FruitMonkey (talk) 00:19, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I sure hope it's a permanent garrison post. Glad to have you back with us Dai.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both. Not sure yet - we'll see. Daicaregos (talk) 07:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I hope you won't let GoodDay drive you away. Honestly after his last nasty message about you on my talk page I've given up on him. He keeps digging bigger holes for himself; however his latest attack oagainst you is pathetic and displays a persecution complex on the lines of a "Daicaregos is out to get me" fantasy. (Shakes head).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

"I hope you won't let GoodDay drive you away." Unlike others. 195.27.17.3 (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

GoodDay is disrupting other parts of the encyclopaedia these days, following his ban from British and Irish related subjects. I hope those whom he did drive away will return. They are needed (and missed) here. Daicaregos (talk) 07:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it was disappointing. Thank you for your support. It is complete paranoia, of course. He's managed to get himself a block-log and an arbitration case with no help from me. Think we've seen the "It's all somebody else's fault" syndrome from him often enough. Quite sad, really. Shouldn't his mentors crack down on that sort of behaviour, or have they given up on him as a lost cause? Daicaregos (talk) 08:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

One cannot really blame his mentors as keeping GoodDay in check would require round-the-clock supervision which no editor, however vigilant and dedicated, has the time for.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

welcome

Not that we know each other from previous encounters, but your user page gives the impression you are Welsh, so you might be able to help me at cy:Wicipedia:Y_Caffi#Gavin_.2F_Gwalchgwn - thanks Agathoclea (talk) 11:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I do not know the answer to that question. Daicaregos (talk) 07:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

While you were away

Glad you are back, DC. Don't know if you are interested, but I looked for you input here. I think we have reached a status quo anyway (or is that a stalemate, oh well). Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Martin. I looked at the Newport article & talk page. I pretty much agree with everything said on the subject by Pwimageglow. But, as you say, the article seems faily stable at that, so I don't think further input would be helpful now. Appreciate your asking. Cheers for now, Daicaregos (talk) 07:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

GoodDay

Dai, don't for a minute think I am condoning GoodDay's behaviour regarding his rude comment about you on my talkpage. It's just that when I see Orwellian tactics being employed at Wikipedia against anyone (no matter their history) I get annoyed. I just hate to see anyone getting ganged up on.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:30, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that of you Jeanne. I have never doubted your integrity - ever. GoodDay knows exactly what he's doing (in this instance). It's one of his methods, and it's wrong. As I said; what he did was against both the letter and the spirit of his topic ban. He should be prevented from employing that tactic again. Daicaregos (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Welsh

• Thank you! Dai for the prompt (3 mins.) translation. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Croeso! :) Daicaregos (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Sorry, it is not Brain's bitter. Would appreciate your input on an edit on England and Wales please 10:59, July 9, 2012‎ Ghmyrtle (talk | contribs)‎ . . (8,224 bytes) (-6)‎ . . (Undid revision 501379075 by Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk)- previous wording was better) Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:25, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Iechyd da! Daicaregos (talk) 14:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

You have earned it. And now, do you remember my Norwegian the other day?

Well he has just replied to me with: Diolch am hynny! Yr wyf yn sychedig.

Can you help?

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

It means: "Thanks for that! I am thirsty." You should try Google translate. It's quite effective for conveying the meaning. Though it's grammar is often imperfect and very formal. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 07:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. I am glad it wasn't rude. I shall take your advice and try it. All the best, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Owen Glendower

Hi Dai, before I start a proper discussion at talk:Owain Glyndŵr, just wondering what your personal objection was to my including the anglicised form of Glyndŵr's name in the lead? Cheers, — JonC^ॐ 18:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

As you identified in your edit summary ("add Owen Glendower to lead, how he's been traditionally known in English until recently"), Owen Glendower is how he used to be known incorrectly in English, but is not now. Daicaregos (talk) 18:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's not a matter of correctness and incorrectness – different languages have different names for things, a la Germany for Deutschland, etc. He is generally known as Owain Glyndŵr in English too nowadays, though, although "Owen Glendower" still has some 5,000 hits in Google Books from 2000 onwards, so it's still in use. Per MOS:BOLDSYN I think Owen Glendower should be mentioned and bolded as a synonym. — JonC^ॐ 18:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Owen Glendower is his traditional and best known name in English. Live with it.

A quick note to JonC:

Dai here is a Welsh nationalist fanatic; you won't see reasonable behaviour from this guy.

99.237.226.35 (talk) 07:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Even quicker note to JonC: Dai here is a fair and balanced editor who happens to support Welsh topics; you won't see unreasonable mindless trolling from this guy. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Countries of the United Kingdom

Su'mae Dai,

I'm a little confused by this edit. I think either you misunderstood mine, or I'm misunderstanding yours. My point was that it's very common to refer to England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales as countries. I don't think the current wording reflects this, which is why I changed it. garik (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from ... but. I was looking at the phrase as a whole, as that is the article title. I agree that England, Scotland, and Wales are frequently described as countries (Northern Ireland not so much), but they are very rarely described as 'Countries of the United Kingdom'. Daicaregos (talk) 06:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair point. garik (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

HI Dai

Well I've just traded two months of beach, swimming in the warm azure sea and dancing under the stars for the pathetic battleground for kiddies that Wikipedia has become. How are you?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't sound a good trade to me! Busy, busy, busy ... but pleased to see you back Jeanne. Daicaregos (talk) 12:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be concentrating solely on Northern Ireland related articles from now on as I've given up working on historical bios.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Steering clear of controversy, then. Haha. Daicaregos (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ironically, I feel I'm on safer ground in Northern Ireland than amongst the dead medieval noblewomen. At least nobody questions my sources on Troubles articles nor am I accused of "tainting the project".--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice. Don't you have an extensive library to use as references now? Daicaregos (talk) 14:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Nor do I have unlimited access to a public library seeing as I live on Mount Etna!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I can see that the Troubles would be safer ground than a live volcano. Close call though. Daicaregos (talk)

LOL.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:37, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move for Ireland

• (Discuss) Should Republic of Ireland be moved to Ireland? Kauffner (talk) 15:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Mary Quant Welsh?

How can someone who is born in England, raised in England, educated in England and was influenced by the then London scene be described as Welsh? If Tom Jones' parents were discovered to be English would he become English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.203.128.141 (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Best ask the BBC, rather than me. However, you may be interested to know that, according to his Wikipedia article, three of Tom Jones' grandparents were English. But reliable sources (such as the BBC) say he is Welsh, so that's what his article says. Daicaregos (talk) 21:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I was living in the US at the height of Jones' popularity and there he was always, without exception, described as Welsh.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be worth finding a better source than the one we're using though. The BBC article does say she's Welsh, but in a somewhat ambiguous context, in which it could be interpreted to mean "of Welsh ancestry" (as in Kylie's case). garik (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

"The British fashion icon, Mary Quant, creator of the Biba image in the 1960s, is perhaps the most recognisably beauty-orientated Welsh woman." is quite explicit and unambiguous. The piece does not refer to Kylie as Welsh. It says "... Kylie Minogue - whose mother is from Wales ... ", which is completely different. Neither is open to interpretation. Daicaregos (talk) 15:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. Calling someone "a Welsh woman" can in fact be quite ambiguous. As a Welshman living in America, for example, I've learnt to assume that "my wife's Welsh" means "my wife has a significant amount of Welsh ancestry a few generations back." And in the context of an article discussing "Welsh beauty" being "in the genes", it would be entirely reasonable to interpret "Welsh" as meaning "of Welsh heritage". Indeed, the article notes that 'Brain ... believes the Welsh gene pool has elements which can help women with a Welsh heritage in the beauty stakes. "In Welsh women, I suspect that it is something to do with their overall shape – the symmetry of their facial features is very regular."' Clearly he's talking about heritage. I might add that the article also describes Nell Gwyn as Welsh, when all we know is that she had a Welsh surname (and that a very unreliable contemporary said that her father was from Wales). This is not a terribly reliable source, reliable though the BBC is often assumed to be. I'm not saying that Mary Quant isn't Welsh (in fact I think she is), but we need a better source than this bit of journalistic fluff. If we could find something like an interview with her, that would be ideal. garik (talk) 15:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Pending that, there are other so-so sources we can add. For example: [1] and [2] and [3]. garik (talk) 15:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

(The danger of these more recent sources, of course, is described here.) garik (talk) 15:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

No reason it couldn't be referred to the reliable sources noticeboard if there is any doubt. Your latest sources could go with it too (good finds, by the way). Daicaregos (talk) 15:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, we'll see if anyone disputes it further. If so, we can take the sources there. garik (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The phrase ".. is perhaps the most recognisably beauty-orientated Welsh woman" seems pretty explicit and unambiguous to me, regardless of whatever one may have "learned" in America, or anywhere else. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Iechyd da!

Sh'w mae Dai,

Six Nations Championship

I have made the revision this morning which, let us hope is the version that will satisfy all involved and all concerned that we are always both concise and accurate. Iechyd da! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/GG-J's Talk 08:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)|}

Sh'w mae Gareth, nice to hear from you again. I've raised the point on the article talk page here. Hwyl. Daicaregos (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

GDP

I wish I hadn't made my original comment on it. I spent bloody ages searching for sources and wasted a good part of my night. I'll think things through the next time I make a comment lol. Jonty Monty (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to my world :) Strange situation, isn't it? They talk about GDP, but don't seem to give the actual figures. Just the period change. Someone must know what's going on. But it looks like it's not either of us. Cheers for now. Daicaregos (talk) 07:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Helo Daicaregos

Thank you for your literature it's both informative and provocative, I will be reading all of your articles (I hope you are proud of them), have you always been a keen writer? (TicktonMN (talk) 14:59, 9 December 2012 (UTC)) I hope this isn't out of place but I have read most things printed here and on other pages and I did start to question my own welsh-ality p.s I consider myself to be welsh. however without being accused of any social engineering I found myself after reading historical accounts trying to identify with a person predating religion to try and imagine a culture that I could be apart of and obviously it's well known to be pagan in entirety. Then I remembered I was walking through the market not just two days ago and with a friend (who is'nt welsh) I was trying to explain what it meant to me to be welsh. On the market (luckily) was a man selling "love spoons", we asked the vender what was the significance of spoons and he claimed that it began in the 16th century, the spoon being carved by the male and given to a female in a ritual before they married and gave off spring. Maybe in a ceremony involving the families and other members of their community. I thought this was important in the run of things in my own concept of welsh and an important apart in discussing culture.TicktonMN (talk) 16:54, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi TicktonMN, Thanks for getting in touch, and for your kind words. To answer your questions, I am proud of some articles. In particular: Parc Cwm long cairn, its published research is a fascinating paradigm-shift, virtually unknown to any but those in academic circles. I really should have taken to it to Wikipedia's Featured article candidates, but never got around to it. Improving Wales to the level of Good Article, in collaboration with User:FruitMonkey, was very important to me. Miami Showband killings (I haven't updated my page recently) is another collaberation of which I'm proud, this time with User:Jeanne boleyn. After Jeanne wrote most of the article, I helped her improve it, by copy editing and referencing, to Good Article standard too. Not a subject in which I would normally have an interest in editing, but important to tell the (harrowing) story. Lastly, I am proud of Governing bodies of sports in Wales, together with creating the articles for dozens of those bodies, as it was such an epic, rather than their quality. It's probably out of date by now.

I don't feel that confident writing, preferring to edit (correct) the work of others ... far easier to criticise than to create.

I don't envy you trying to explain what it means to be Welsh, to a foreigner. I am convinced that those Neolithic tomb builders are our direct ancestors. That those Bronze and Iron ages were a change of technologies, rather than peoples.

Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia. If I can be of any help to you at all ... just ask. Cheers for now, Daicaregos (talk) 23:38, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, well I don't have much to grasp with on wikipedia to offer you words for edit but thanks for the reassurance. There exists a story of a lady of the hill that I was told a long time ago, but it would be a fiction rather than factual article. My knowledge on it is a bit vague but I'm visiting some friends in that neck of the woods soon and will find out the different accounts and may need some help with the technical aspect of writing it for fun. cheers TicktonMN (talk) 09:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Fiction and mythology certainly have a place as topics on Wikipedia, but it can't have been written by you. All articles (and their content) must be referenced to a reliable source that has discussed the topic first - but, be careful not to plagiarise the source. The help-links provided by Gareth Griffith-Jones on your talk page will be very useful. One of the best pieces of advice I could give is to direct you to Wikipedia:Be bold. Editors will not mind that you make mistakes when you begin editing. No-one will expect you to know everything and there are many experienced editors here who will be happy to point you in the right direction, when you need it. Take a look at what other editors do, by either looking at an article that interests you and checking its history (click on the 'history' tab at the top of the article), or look at the contributions of an experienced editor. So have fun, and feel free to ask if you need a hand. Daicaregos (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok; thanks TicktonMN (talk) 12:49, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Well I looked at the history tab and inspected some articles, Wikipedia here is definitely a useful source of information. TicktonMN (talk) 13:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Did anything inspire you to improve an article? By the way, I took the liberty of indenting your responses here. Indents (using colons at the beginning of a paragraph) allows talk page readers to follow a conversation between different editors. Daicaregos (talk) 14:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes! In fact it did I had made the all too frequent mistake of copy and pasting on an article I had improved from a BBC website, oh well. Following on from that Dai, I've spotted a few articles on migratory birds.I have some knowledge on them, but I'll be reading up my stuff before putting any more input in, and maybe list them somewhere.TicktonMN (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Great. Good chance articles on those birds already exist, so best to check first. Use the search facility, or Google it - Wiki articles tend to be near the top of search results. Don't worry if an article is already there, nearly all articles can be improved somehow. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi dai you can call me matt or matthew instead of ticktonmn, my other nickname is tuki. just saying. Thankyou for all your help; but I'll probably have to start simple I saw a magpie the other day and told someone on the phone it was a Jay, LOL TicktonMN (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hiya Matthew, what do think of it so far? Any problems (e.g. formatting reference citations, etc.) I could help with? Just let me know. If I'm not around, I'm sure my WP:TPSs would be willing and able to help. Daicaregos (talk) 13:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Well yep, it's giving me itchey feet, to cite a reference is it (Author, Year , Title, Page, ISBN?)TicktonMN (talk) 20:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

If it's a book yes, pretty much. You could use this (cut'n paste, then fill each parameter where it has a 'x'): <ref name=”x”>{{cite book| title=x |url=x |author=x |authorlink=x |date=x |editor=x |pages=x |isbn=x |year=x |accessdate=x}}</ref>. NB authorlink is useful only if the author has a Wikipedia article. If not, delete the section. To discover how to use the parameters, see Wikipedia:Citation templates. As always, any problems ... just ask. Enjoy! Daicaregos (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

This user is a WikiChef.

Haha. Quite possibly. Daicaregos (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Well who was it. Brilliant!! It describes you perfectly.TicktonMN (talk) 09:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy Christmas!

Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – is wishing you the season's greetings.
Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas,
Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus,
or the Saturnalia,
this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.

• Diolch yn fawr iawn Dai –
   – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 10:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Croeso :) Daicaregos (talk) 10:47, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Re:Wales map

I don't think the addition of the map is controversial, any more than updating the census information was controversial. I really see no way in which the former map is superior to the new map. If you want to revert my edit then I'll leave it at that, but I'm not going to self-revert back to an inferior map. -- Hazhk ^{Talk to me} 15:23, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus!!

Martinevans123^{Santas Grotto} wishes you and yours

"Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda"

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May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace ....

Wel, diolch o galon, Martin. A dymuniadau gorau i ti hefyd. Ta, Daicaregos (talk) 20:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy Cagney wannabe

Just saw that you were called a punk over a Welsh film being called a Welsh film. I probably shouldn't have commented there but it hit a funnybone to think that a Jimmy Cagney wannabe would get upset over a Welsh film. Lol. Jonty Monty (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

You should see some of the edit summaries on Hedd Wyn. Punk (whatever it means) is relatively friendly. Anyway, it ended up here. Thanks for leaving the note here. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see he got what he deserved. Going off topic a little. I get the impression you are a proud Welshman. You should take a look at the Facebook page 'Yes to an Independent Scotland'. I think everyone should take a peek to see all the lies this UK government can tell. When I said off topic I really meant way off topic. Lol. Jonty Monty (talk) 13:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Dai, if you think it's wildly off topic I won't mind if you delete my recommendation. :) Jonty Monty (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries Jonty. Wonder what it is they're scared of, that they can't be truthful? Daicaregos (talk) 17:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

They are afraid of Scottish independence and what it will mean to them. No more draining of Scottish resources for their own benefit.. The fact that the media lie on their behalf is a bonus for them. Idiots and traitors like Joanne Lamont doing the Tory dirty work for them (for those who don't know, she's Scottish Labour leader). She makes Labour here a laughing stock. 2014, won't be long till we can tell them all to f**** off. Merry Christmas Dai. :) Jonty Monty (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. Happy holidays, however you celebrate! Daicaregos (talk) 16:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Merry Christmas, Dai!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Jeanne. Have a lovely time. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 16:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Have as peaceful a Christmas as you can (or want). Take care FruitMonkey (talk) 21:13, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Merry Christmas/Nadolig Llawen :) Daicaregos (talk) 11:23, 25 December 2012 (UTC)