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A fact from 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival canceled the screening of a politically themed film due to the "inability to locate suitable copies", despite the film having been showcased three years earlier?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/48th Hong Kong International Film Festival.

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... that the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival canceled the screening of a politically themed film due to the "inability to locate suitable copies", despite the film being showcased 3 years ago?

Source: ^[1]^[2]

ALT1: ... that Karena Lam was named the ambassador of the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival, making her only the second woman to hold this position? Source: ^[3]
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/M503
Comment:

Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

References

^ "國際電影節突取消放映《去年煙花特別多》陳果感可惜：咩都可以發生" [[Hong Kong] International Film Festival Suddenly Cancels Screening of The Longest Summer — Fruit Chan Expresses Regret: Anything Could Happen.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 9 March 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. 原定在第四十八屆香港國際電影節中放映的《去年煙花特別多》日前突然取消，主辦方指「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」，改爲放映電影《墮胎師》。該電影由本港獨立電影導演陳果執導，他回覆本報查詢說，對於《去年》未能放映感到可惜，又稱近日才接獲電影節通知指沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映，不清楚是否涉及其他原因。《去年》於1998年上映，與《香港製造》及《細路祥》合稱「九七三部曲」，以香港主權移交及華裔英兵故事作爲背景，電影中亦穿插主權移交及解放軍入城等片段。 [The screening of The Longest Summer, originally scheduled for the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival, was suddenly canceled. The organizers stated that it could not be shown "due to the inability to locate suitable copies", and the film The Abortionist will be screened instead. Directed by local independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, he responded to [Ming Pao's] inquiry by expressing regret that The Longest Summer could not be screened. He mentioned that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available, and he is unsure if there are other reasons involved. The Longest Summer was released in 1998 and is part of the "1997 Trilogy," along with Made in Hong Kong and Little Cheung. It sets against the backdrop of Hong Kong's sovereignty handover and stories of Chinese-ethnic British soldiers. The film also features segments about the handover and the arrival of the People's Liberation Army.]
^ "「找不到合適拷貝」國際電影節撤播《去年煙花特別多》" ["Unable to Find Suitable Copies": International Film Festival Withdraws Screening of The Longest Summer.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 10 March 2024. Archived from the original on 9 September 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. 第48屆香港國際電影節本月28日開幕，由獨立電影導演陳果執導的《去年煙花特別多》突然被取消放映，改為放映同由陳果執導的《墮胎師》。主辦方在電影節節目及訂票手冊中稱「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」。陳果昨回覆本報稱，對於《去》未能放映感可惜，近日才接獲電影節通知稱沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映，不清楚是否涉其他原因。翻查資料，《去》曾於2017年在香港藝術中心古天樂電影院放映，當年主辦方與今屆電影節主辦方同為香港國際電影節協會（HKIFF）。《去》2021年也曾在兆基創意書院放映室放映，播放的是35mm菲林拷貝。 [The 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival opened on the 28th of this month. The screening of The Longest Summer, directed by independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, was suddenly canceled, and it was replaced with The Abortionist, also directed by Fruit Chan. The organizers stated in the festival program and ticketing booklet that it could not be screened "due to the inability to locate suitable copies". Chan expressed regret over the cancellation of The Longest Summer, stating that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available and is unsure if there are other reasons involved. According to records, The Longest Summer was previously screened in 2017 at the Hong Kong Arts Centre's Gigi Leung Cinema, with the same organizers as this year's festival, the Hong Kong International Film Festival Society (HKIFF). The film was also screened in 2021 at Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity, using a 35mm film copy.]
^ Lo, Zabrina (20 March 2024). "Karena Lam on the lack of gender equality in the local film industry, and her ambassadorships with French May and Hong Kong International Film Festival". Tatler Asia. Archived from the original on March 29, 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. To say Taiwanese Canadian actress Karena Lam has a packed calendar is an understatement. This year, she replaces Aaron Kwok as the ambassador of the Hong Kong International Film Festival which will take place from March 28 to April 8—becoming the second woman to be offered this position since actress Miriam Yeung in 2011.

Comment: @Prince of Erebor: I like what you are trying to accomplish here. Two things stand out right away: 1) I think you can easily shorten ALT0, which is very interesting to me, and 2) The basic outline of ALT0 appears in the first paragraph of the "Pan-Chinese Cinema > Filmmaker in Focus" section, but it is far from explicit and barely matches the proposed hook. While I certainly encourage paraphrasing and rewriting as you have done, there does need to be a minimum baseline of text-source integrity that is obvious to the casual reader. I think we can make immediate progress on this nom if you consider shortening ALT0 and making it match the article. 199 characters for what you are trying to say is excessive to me. Viriditas (talk) 22:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Viriditas. What about ALT2: "... that the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival removed a politically themed film from its lineup due to being unable to locate suitable copies, despite having screened in 2021? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 08:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a hard one for me because the source isn't easily accessible. Is there any way you can work in the bit about the HK film archive from the article and keep it short? Viriditas (talk) 21:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival is the 2024 edition of the Hong Kong International Film Festival

I'm not convinced we need this kind of duplication or redundancy in the lead. The way we usually do it in articles about film festivals is title followed by date. Example: "The 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival took place from 28 March to 8 April 2024". Or for another example: "The 96th Academy Awards ceremony, presented by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS), took place on March 10, 2024, at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood, Los Angeles." Viriditas (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: Done —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 20:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section, the CAA China Genre Initiative Projects

Not everyone is going to know that CAA means Creative Artists Agency, so consider linking CAA. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: Good point! Done —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 21:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overview

Keep in mind, we aren't supposed to use "overview" sections, as the lead is supposed to be an overview. Consider changing the name to "background", "history", or something similar. Viriditas (talk) 21:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Thanks for your thorough review, Viriditas. I actually referenced 29th Busan International Film Festival and 37th Tokyo International Film Festival while writing this article, and both used "Overview" as the section heading. I am not sure if it is a locally consented heading, but I will change it to "Background" for now. Regarding the hooks, is ALT2 still unsatisfactory? I am unsure how to trim it further while still conveying the irony of HKIFF's decision. (I think it would complicate things further to mention the Hong Kong Film Archive, as the source only states that all copies of Hong Kong films are preserved there but does not specify whether The Longest Summer is included. The hook would be based on an assumption.) Perhaps we should consider ALT1 instead? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 21:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think ALT0/ALT2 is still salvageable; ALT1 will lose you site visits due to the second position of the link. Viriditas (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

ALT0 is my first choice. Yes, it is very long, but attempts to shorten it and preserve the context have been unsuccessful. I don’t find ALT1 all that interesting, but it’s an ironic reversal of the "first" hook cliche. Everything else checks out. Page was long enough when it was nominated. Earwig shows no issues. Hook is cited and interesting. Good to go. Viriditas (talk) 21:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[MingPaoMarch2024-1] "國際電影節突取消放映《去年煙花特別多》陳果感可惜：咩都可以發生" [[Hong Kong] International Film Festival Suddenly Cancels Screening of The Longest Summer — Fruit Chan Expresses Regret: Anything Could Happen.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 9 March 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. 原定在第四十八屆香港國際電影節中放映的《去年煙花特別多》日前突然取消，主辦方指「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」，改爲放映電影《墮胎師》。該電影由本港獨立電影導演陳果執導，他回覆本報查詢說，對於《去年》未能放映感到可惜，又稱近日才接獲電影節通知指沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映，不清楚是否涉及其他原因。《去年》於1998年上映，與《香港製造》及《細路祥》合稱「九七三部曲」，以香港主權移交及華裔英兵故事作爲背景，電影中亦穿插主權移交及解放軍入城等片段。 [The screening of The Longest Summer, originally scheduled for the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival, was suddenly canceled. The organizers stated that it could not be shown "due to the inability to locate suitable copies", and the film The Abortionist will be screened instead. Directed by local independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, he responded to [Ming Pao's] inquiry by expressing regret that The Longest Summer could not be screened. He mentioned that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available, and he is unsure if there are other reasons involved. The Longest Summer was released in 1998 and is part of the "1997 Trilogy," along with Made in Hong Kong and Little Cheung. It sets against the backdrop of Hong Kong's sovereignty handover and stories of Chinese-ethnic British soldiers. The film also features segments about the handover and the arrival of the People's Liberation Army.]

[2] "「找不到合適拷貝」國際電影節撤播《去年煙花特別多》" ["Unable to Find Suitable Copies": International Film Festival Withdraws Screening of The Longest Summer.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 10 March 2024. Archived from the original on 9 September 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. 第48屆香港國際電影節本月28日開幕，由獨立電影導演陳果執導的《去年煙花特別多》突然被取消放映，改為放映同由陳果執導的《墮胎師》。主辦方在電影節節目及訂票手冊中稱「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」。陳果昨回覆本報稱，對於《去》未能放映感可惜，近日才接獲電影節通知稱沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映，不清楚是否涉其他原因。翻查資料，《去》曾於2017年在香港藝術中心古天樂電影院放映，當年主辦方與今屆電影節主辦方同為香港國際電影節協會（HKIFF）。《去》2021年也曾在兆基創意書院放映室放映，播放的是35mm菲林拷貝。 [The 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival opened on the 28th of this month. The screening of The Longest Summer, directed by independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, was suddenly canceled, and it was replaced with The Abortionist, also directed by Fruit Chan. The organizers stated in the festival program and ticketing booklet that it could not be screened "due to the inability to locate suitable copies". Chan expressed regret over the cancellation of The Longest Summer, stating that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available and is unsure if there are other reasons involved. According to records, The Longest Summer was previously screened in 2017 at the Hong Kong Arts Centre's Gigi Leung Cinema, with the same organizers as this year's festival, the Hong Kong International Film Festival Society (HKIFF). The film was also screened in 2021 at Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity, using a 35mm film copy.]

[3] Lo, Zabrina (20 March 2024). "Karena Lam on the lack of gender equality in the local film industry, and her ambassadorships with French May and Hong Kong International Film Festival". Tatler Asia. Archived from the original on March 29, 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. To say Taiwanese Canadian actress Karena Lam has a packed calendar is an understatement. This year, she replaces Aaron Kwok as the ambassador of the Hong Kong International Film Festival which will take place from March 28 to April 8—becoming the second woman to be offered this position since actress Miriam Yeung in 2011.

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