Talk:Maungawhau / Mount Eden

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Merge proposal: Eden Garden to here

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There does not appear to be any interest in this merge, or in removing the other article. No action.gadfium 21:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gadfium, can you put your reasons for proposing the merge here? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eden Garden was prodded as notability was not established, and all sources were dead. I was able to fix the existing references, so felt justified in removing the prod. I am happy for it to remain a separate article, but if consensus is that it isn't sufficiently notable, this appears to be the appropriate place to merge it.-gadfium 18:25, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Boleyn and Gadfium: I have sent Eden Garden to AfD in order to determine consensus for notability. GeoffreyT2000 ^{(talk, contribs)} 17:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 26 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 11:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maungawhau → Maungawhau / Mount Eden – when material from Mount Eden (the suburb) was split off and made into its own article in February 2015, the move violated the naming policy at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New_Zealand)#Dual and alternative place names which states that "if there are sources which indicate that a dual name has usage beyond mandatory official usage, put the article at the dual name, with redirects from each of the component names ... if sources do not support use of the dual name, the English name will almost certainly be the one in common usage".

The policy therefore suggests a move to "Maungawhau / Mount Eden", since the dual name has usage beyond mandatory official usage (about 10000 hits on Google). If this is argued to not qualify as common usage, then "Mount Eden" is more popular than "Maungawhau" by about a factor of 50 (2,500,000 vs 50,000) and the article should be moved to "Mount Eden (mountain)" instead. Egroeg5 (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 13:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Egroeg5: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Those Google numbers don't look correct to me. Most of that 2,500,000 will only apply to the suburb or prison, not the maunga. -- haminoon (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hey Haminoon, can you help me include only hits for the mountain not the suburb? I don't know how. Cheers Egroeg5 (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No easy way to do it. However if there are no objections to the page move it won't matter. -- haminoon (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Also Haminoon, I just realised that you're the person I accused of not following the 2015 policy. Sorry about that. Anyhow, I think that the dual name has sufficient common usage for the move to be uncontroversial. Egroeg5 (talk) 22:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support The proposed dual name is more appropriate as the English name is still in use by some for the cone. Schwede 66 18:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rreagan007 (talk) 18:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As may be expected, the current name is much more common on Google Books than the combined name. The alternate name can be explained in the article itself.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Google Books and similar analytics don't really work for dual names, since by default it'll be capturing call the times it's been called Maungawhau / Mount Eden as well as all the times it's just been called Maungawhau - I suspect if you searched for Mount Eden you'd also get a much higher number than the dual name. That doesn't negate the fact that the official name of the mountain is Maungawhau / Mount Eden, which is also what it's typically referred to in recent years. Turnagra (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the reasons I stated above. Turnagra (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: Clear consus to not move so I'll close this now. Spekkios (talk) 08:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maungawhau / Mount Eden → Mount Eden (mountain) – The previous discussion on this topic primarily referenced a guideline on WP:NCNZ that no longer exists due to an RfC[1]. Studies on or relevant to the volcano tend to just use Mount Eden per [2] [3] [4] Spekkios (talk) 02:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The officially gazetted name is Maungawhau / Mount Eden, it's useful disambiguation between the volcano and the suburb/other uses of the name Mount Eden, and there are plenty of scholarly sources referring to the mountain as Maungawhau (actually most recent sources for "Mount Eden" are referencing the suburb or the prison). A cursory look on Google News shows a predominant use of dual names when referring to the volcano. --Prosperosity (talk) 03:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This makes no sense at all. Its not a mountain and no-one under 90 calls the volcano "Mount Eden". You've found three studies that mention Mt Eden and ignored the hundreds that call it Maungawhau. -- haminoon (talk) 03:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These sources need to be shown though. If there are hundreds it shouldn't be hard. Aircorn (talk) 04:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's extremely difficult to find sources relating to just the hill. Those were the only ones I could find after some searching that refer to just the volcano. --Spekkios (talk) 08:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A better target would be Maungawhau. Aircorn (talk) 04:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Although most of my searches on Maungawhau use the dual name.[5][6] Aircorn (talk) 04:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Eden mountain[7] returns an array of results with the dual name as prominent if not more so than the others so I am going to Oppose this move based on the fact that there is no obvious common name that I can find so we may as well use the official name. Aircorn (talk) 05:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as it isn't a mountain and the disambiguation is no better than the dual name. I would be content with moving it to Maungawhau, which it is commonly called, and which doesn't need disambiguation.-gadfium 04:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unnecessary and biased move. The proposed title fails WP:PRECISION and adds unnecessary requirements for disambiguation. Turnagra (talk) 08:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]