Talk:Warsangali

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Genealogy

There is very little current or historical information available that I could find. As with much of this geopolitical area, axes are ground on almost every web and documentary source. It will be important, if expanded, to maintain an NPoV. --62.253.64.15 10:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC) Sorry for anonymous IP - forgot to log in. --Silver149 10:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merged with Warsangeli. The Warsengeli spelling seemed to be preferred, but if I am wrong its just a redirect page anyway. Thatcher131 03:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. 80% of this article isa genealogical table without sources & confusing to anyone who is not a Somali. If there are no objections, I'm going to prune this article back a lot. -- llywrch 00:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the nuux cumar is the secondy largest of warsengali clan the live by geogarphical in erigavo capital of sanaag region and Hadaftimo and yubbe town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.242.20 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 25 September 2007

Sources

The article cited three different sources from the Journal of the Royal Geographic Society, two by Cruttenden and one by Miles. In some cases, the source did not really corroborate the claim made in the article, e.g. one of Cruttenden's reports was cited as a description of the Warsangeli, when he was actually being specific about a sub-clan called Dubeiss. In another case a direct quote was altered to single out a rival(?) clan; this was not specified in the source. One of the citations linked to an apparently unrelated website in Somali language, the others cited JSTOR which requires paid access. In all three cases I have used Google books for new URLs. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further reflection I am not sure some of this information is actually useful. I don't think it's very relevant as of the 21st century whether someone writing 160 years ago found a clan to be peaceful or not. I think its inclusion in the first place violates WP:NPOV, moreso because the text did not quite reflect what the sources actually said (see my preceding comment). (And yes, this does account for the fact that one of the sources felt differently about the matter than the other.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve arrived here as I’m clearing a backlog of articles with obsolete information. It’s obvious the problem is not out of date information but instead WP:NPOV so I’ve replaced the tag accordingly. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 19:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Gyrofrog: Pinging Gyrofrog since the discussion is a decade old at this stage. And for the record I am in agreement with your assertions above. Kzl55 (talk) 22:14, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure what else there is to say after 10 years, except that in that time, no one has offered a good reason for keeping the content in question, much less improved upon it. In fact I can't tell that anyone else modified that section at all (other than to change the tag). I'm going to go ahead and delete it. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Warsangeli Clan tree

Regrettably it’s hard for some one who is not a Somali Native to understand typical clan lineage in Somalia, this will lead to misspelling and wrongly quoting.

I have doing bit of research in Darod clans and their sub-clans and actually it has given headache and confusion because the clan tree tend to be un-organised and randomly therefore I develop a system of clan location and clan villages.

In term of Warsangeli, I indicated were each sub clan can be found and this actually doesn’t mean that the particular clan owns towns, it just mean of knowing who is who.

I did not publish on Wiki because am sure if I do some one will be deleted or this will lead argument between the native Somali clan members.

I have just updated Warsangeli Subclans for 9th time, it seems every time that I fix it some one will just come in delete or add some which may not be useful to know it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdirisak (talk • contribs) 18:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it is removed is because it's unsourced and encyclopaedic. The idea is to give an overview and the large sub-clans listings are not suitable for a general encyclopaedia. Also as the listing gets longer and longer it becomes even harder to read so it's easier to keep it down to a list that can be sourced and easily viewed. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 19:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Country flag

@Siirski: In a slightly earlier version, the flags of Somalia and Somaliland were written, but in your edit, the Somali flag has been erased. Do you have any sources for this edit?--Freetrashbox (talk) 11:16, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Freetrashbox:, Distribution of the Warsengali tribe in northeastern Somaliland and in the identification of the Sanaag region that's why I changed the flag but now I also added flag of Somalia. Siirski (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.--Freetrashbox (talk) 20:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Missing regions of the Warsangeli clan Lower Jubba/Gedo, and Bari

Credible sources like census in Kismaayo district included Warsangeli among Hartis in Jubaland and Warsangeli settlements in Bari include Bosaso district and Carmo.

Far Eastern Sanaag is also wrong as Warsangeli I'm from Biyo Gudud which is no where near Far Eastern.

Check recent articles of skirmishes in Biyo Gudud, Damala Xagare, Shimbiraale which borders Dararweyn. Kulanwacan (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong citation with malice

Citation 4 is wrongly used to score a political point. Warsnageli people largely settle the Sanaag Region and Bari Region. They also settle in Lower Juba region.

With respect to Sanaag, they settle from Erigavo/Ceerigaabo to Qaw (in an east-west direction) and from Bosaaso to near Taleh (in north-south direction) Citation 4 does not state what the statement says, “far east of Sanaag”. Please re-open this page for revision. I am one of the earliest contributors of Wikipedia and I haven’t made entries for a long time. I have seen, however, many of the historical entries and lands related to Warsangeli have been either largely vandalized or deleted due to massive cyber campaign from the secessionist Somaliland agents. This is not fair. At least verify the sources and not retain wrong and false entries.

Thank you.

Sanaagian 67.4.130.106 (talk) 07:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the page to cite the Warsangeli clans areas of Sanaag and Bari, however some admins have bias against edits pertaining Warsangeli clans distribution. Kulanwacan (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]