User talk:Saint.Helena.Tristen.Da.Cunha.and.Asuncion./Archive 1

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Hello again. When I left the welcome note for you, I added your page to my watchlist. I noticed that you edited Bakir123's comments, and removed one of your own after there was a reply to it. Please don't do that: it violates the talk page guidelines. If people change their own comments after other editors have replied to them, it can completely change the meaning of the other editor's comments. For example:

Editor1: I decided I'm going to spend all of tomorrow cleaning up articles in that area.
Editor2: I do that every Saturday.
Editor1: You seem to know a lot about that part of the country. What's the beach like?
Editor2: My mum's parents live there, and we spend a month with them every summer. It's mostly rocks, and a bunch of albatrosses.

But then Editor1 changes their remarks, and now Editor2 looks quite mad:

Editor1: In Antarctica, they use penguins for money.
Editor2: I do that every Saturday.
Editor1: So you've been to Mars? What's the food like?
Editor2: My mum's parents live there, and we spend a month with them every summer. It's mostly rocks, and a bunch of albatrosses.

I know you're still quite new here. I remember how many things there were to learn when I started editing here (and I'm still learning). That's why I'm leaving you this note. The best thing would be for you to undo the changes. Things will be back to the way they were, no harm done. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me here. I'll keep this page on my watch list for a bit. Thanks. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

March 2021

Hello, I'm 1234qwer1234qwer4. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:GorillaWarfare that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at User talk:GorillaWarfare, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Your posts on that page are completely out of order - comparing someone to a member of the KKK is a completely unacceptable personal attack.Nigel Ish (talk) 16:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nigel Ish: IM SO DONE WITH THIS. Why don't you actually read instead of just seeing the word 'KKK' and giving me a warning? Read the actual conversation for once. I don't stand for this absolute bias and misandry. Quit it. I didn't compare her to a KKK member, I JUST GAVE AN EXAMPLE! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH WITH THIS! Also, the relations between a KKK member and a BLM protester is the same as a men's right advocate and a feminist. Just read her MGTOW article and see how biased and one-sided it is. Shouldn't feminists not be writing men's rights articles? JUST READ IT! You'll see what I mean... She even turned on edit lock. This is ridiculous. This isn't feminism vs masculism fight. So I've had quite enough of this. LOOK AT HER TALK PAGE AND PROFILE! SHE'S A PART OF ALL FEMINISM MOVEMENTS, SHE'S A WOMAN AND A QUEER! And here she is calling the MGTOW movement "misogynistic" IN A REAL ARTICLE AND TURNED ON EDIT LOCK! YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? Mohammad (talk) 16:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making personal attacks towards other editors.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Saint.Helena.Tristen.Da.Cunha.and.Asuncion. (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I'm sorry for sounding harsh.. I just don't like the way the MGTOW article was expressed. What really annoyed me was the editing lock was on so nobody except the original creator could edit. I'm sorry for being angry and expressing it in a harsh and rude way... I don't even edit these types of articles.. If you look at my contributions I'm really helpful to articles such as 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League, 2021-22 UEFA Europa League, and 2021-22 UEFA Champions League. I'm a good editor and I constantly edit football articles. I love doing this and losing this account is the last thing I want to happen. Please forgive me and I'll stop doing things such as this. Mohammad (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

see comments below Floquenbeam (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Posting this unblock a mere 10 minutes after making this edit does not fill me with confidence that your remorse is genuine. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Writ Keeper: Well only now have I realized how aggressive it was and I'd like to apologize for anyone who got offended with my comments. This is really the first time I got into a severe argument like this as you can see by my contributions. I swear I have never done anything like this before which is why I'm even shocked I had the thought to even think about typing that. Really I'm just here to edit football articles, please forgive me. I literally added over 110 tabs of domestic leagues and cups in Europe to keep track of so I can be the first to edit when something new happens. Please, I love Wikipedia, and I'm awfully sorry for every person I offended. Thanks for your time Mohammad (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam This was in reply to a final warning. I'm not sure what is supposed to not have been clear. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(keep getting edit conflicts, sorry if this doesn't address all comments) So, a couple of notes:

It's not a matter of sounding harsh. It's a matter of repeated unfounded accusations and insults.
GorillaWarfare did not edit protect the page. That was another admin, El C. I wonder why you would just assume GW did it when it is so easy to check? If you are referring to the protections from last July, the logs clearly show that GW just restored the protection level El C originally specified.
There are a lot of editors of that article, including since the protection was applied. It is not protected so only GW can edit, it's protected from drive-by disruptive editors. The recent upgrade to extended confirmed protection was done, again, by El C. Again, these are easily checked. Why do you assume the worst without even checking?
You are not going last very long here if you compare being a feminist with being a member of the KKK. I know you claim you didn't say that.... except you did. Re-read what you wrote.
You are going to have to be able to edit collaboratively with women, non-straight people of all stripes, and feminists. Without name-calling, without all caps freaking out. This is not a misogynist-safe space.
Being anti-misogyny is not the same as being misandrist.
I assume you're getting most of your information about what is going on here from an off-wiki site. Is that a reasonable assumption?

If that is clear, and you're assuring me you're not going to continue to attack another editor for the crime of being a woman who dares to disagree with you, I'll unblock so you can go back to football articles. But let me be clear - this will not be tolerated. Deal? --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: That is absolutely clear. Thank you so much... Mohammad (talk) 17:11, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, based on this assurance, I've unblocked. You are absolutely not required to answer this, but if you're willing to answer, I am genuinely curious why several editors have recently being making similar accusations, all based on the same easily-disprovable errors in fact. Was I correct above that you got your information from an off-wiki site? That's the only explanation I can think of. Again, don't answer if you don't want to, and I'm not asking what site. But it's kind of like 5 neo-Nazis all accusing a Muslim editor of doing something they obviously didn't do; you have to wonder if they were coordinating on Parler or something. (See what I did there? I obviously know you're not a neo-Nazi, I didn't say you were a neo-Nazi, but the comparison was a little insulting, wasn't it? even though you probably knew exactly what I was doing?) --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: Thanks for reaching out! No we aren't running on anything it's just I guess we all think that the article was expressed badly and seemed a little one-sided. And also the reason of the attack wasn't because she was a feminist, but because the article about men's rights was supporting feminism. I guess we all agree with that. And no, your comparison wasn't insulting at all and I'm even a Muslim (if you don't believe me look at my user page, I don't know how else I can prove to you...) because you were just giving a comparison so I could have a better understanding of what you mean. And no I am definitely not getting any off-wiki sources nor am I in a cult. Thanks for asking though! Mohammad (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No we aren't running on anything it's just I guess we all think ... I guess we all agree with that. When you say 'we', to whom are you referring, exactly? BlackcurrantTea (talk) 18:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BlackcurrantTea: The comments made by Floquenbeam (as seen above) mentions "I am genuinely curious why several editors have recently being making similar accusations... you have to wonder if they were coordinating on Parler or something." Mohammad (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. It was a slightly unusual word choice. On the off chance someone on another website did suggest that you post that to the MGTOW talk page: They're not doing you any favours. You're better off ignoring them if you want the chance to keep editing articles on football here.

It's never a good idea to say the kinds of things you said about GorillaWarfare. All sorts of people work on all sorts of articles here. And behind every username, there's a real person. Please remember that. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 04:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BlackcurrantTea: I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't attacking her because she was a feminist. I'm not excusing myself, I'm just letting you know Mohammad (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Baltic Cup

2020 Baltic Cup had a clear consensus to redirect at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Baltic Cup. If you disagree, please use WP:Deletion review to contest this. Also, your restoration provided 0 sources that the cup is not cancelled, restored a blatantly incorrect fixture list with dates in 2020, and provided no sources that it will be called the 2020 Baltic Cup- given that it's now 2021, it would be expected to be called 2021 Baltic Cup and so should be created there if there are sources so that it passes WP:GNG. Please stop reverting without discussion against the AFD consensus with zero evidence that the 2020 Baltic Cup is uncancelled and will use that name, as it's disruptive. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302: Hi Joseph. Thank you for reaching out. The 2020 Baltic Cup actually starts in June 2021. Just look up "2020 Baltic Cup" on Google and it will give you the date thing saying "2020 Baltic Cup will begin on Tuesday, June 1, 2021 and ends on Thursday, June 10". Also according to this source it shows the fixtures, dates, and times for the 2020 Baltic Cup. Thanks!

PS- Oh and even when you look up "2021 Baltic Cup" on Google it still says "2020 Baltic Cup will begin on Tuesday, June 1, 2021 and ends on Thursday, June 10" Mohammad (talk) 13:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Potential violation of unblock conditions

@Floquenbeam: I see you unblocked this user on the condition that they refrain from attacking a specific user regarding gender issues. In their unblock request they stressed that they just wanted to edit football articles. Recently they made a very non-AGF comment toward the same user at Talk:Men Going Their Own Way. Would this justify re-blocking? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: Well I just wanted to talk about the sources, I wasn't calling anyone bad or anything. And if you see my contributions. Like literally 99.9% of my contributions are football articles. I'm fulfilling my promises and also, am planning on creating a new football article 2022 in association football so I think I'm doing fine. Mohammad (talk) 07:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: Hey! That was my thousandth edit! Awesome! Mohammad (talk) 07:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: Also didn't I do that del thing you taught me how to do? I don't get why this is still an issue. I followed your directions, and by my contributions, I am doing a lot of good work and help with a lot of articles! Mohammad (talk) 08:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware you had previously been blocked for making personal attacks, which puts your comments in a much different light. Being a productive editor overall doesn't give anyone a license to make snarky comments about other editors. You were already notified about discretionary sanctions in this topic area. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:11, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: Did you forget about what we were talking about before. That I was talking about the source and not the person? What happened to that? Mohammad (talk) 08:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: There is no way they will ban me over this. I haven't even done anything.

1. I said before that I am interesting in editing football articles in Wiki. And if you even bothered checking my edits, that's what I've been doing.

2. I refrain from attacking people regarding gender issues. I have never attacked anyone after the unblock. What you are sourcing is absolutely ridiculous and BAFFLES ME because we had a discussion like just an hour ago that I wasn't attacking the person, and that I was directing that at the source.

3. That is one of the only non-football related edit I've done and it was on the talk page not the article even.

4. I know it says "you" but as our discussion before we both know I was talking to the source. I would've edited it but it's against the rules. You told me to just put the delete (or slash) mark on it. Which I did. So I don't know why you are still bringing this up.

5. Previously (how I was blocked) I was seriously attacking someone (literally going on their talk page) and saying bad things. This is nowhere near that.

6. As you can see from my user page. I created a deleted article, an article, and looking to create another. I'm not here to hate and this is a mostly-sport Wiki account. That's the stuff I'm interested in. If I see an issue or a typo in a different article, I will bring it up or fix it. If I say I'm focused on football articles means I can't conversate with someone about a different article.

7. That was the only other non-sport article I have ever edited (from what I remember) since the unblock (unless it was a typo).

There is absolutely no reason I should be blocked. I would've said more reasons but I forgot what I was going to say. Mohammad (talk) 08:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to review the First Rule of Holes. We'll see what the blocking admin has to say. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sangdeboeuf: Only reason I'm explaining like this is that I thought our previous conversation was resolved so I deleted it. I delete all resolved conversations on my talk page. It was resolved until a few hours later you out of nowhere tried to ban me. Mohammad (talk) 08:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given everything said here, you should seriously consider striking your most recent comment. You should also apologize to GorillaWarfare immediately for the personal attack. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]